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    So, the economy is not so great, my own little horse training/teaching/selling business is at a virtual halt, so I've been hunting for a full time 'horse job.'

    I've interviewed at some very, nice barns. Those farms have had so many applicants the employers are taking their very sweet time going through everyone to make up their minds. I can't blame them, of course. They are in a good position to have their pick, as many people are looking for work.

    Then there's the other side of the spectrum. Farms that would like to 'move up' by getting access to a trainer/rider/horseman they might not normally be able to coax aboard. Also not a crime. And does it not just tickle the Ego to have a farm or two say "we'd love to have someone with your ability/background/skill set come work for us." But these farms have been strikingly similar in a few aspects, most glaringly in their lack of facilities.

    They want to train some of the horses to jump, but have no jumps. They are 'in the process' of building an outdoor arena. But I have found out "in the process" really means "we are thinking about it." We are "seriously considering building an indoor," means they've been 'seriously considering it' for the past 3 years and haven't actually done it. Or had plans drawn up. Or talked to a contractor. Or even found out if they could get a permit to build one.

    I've received a string of "I've always wanted to, we ARE going to, this year we should finally, etc. etc." sales pitches from farm/business owners.

    I've always gone by the philosophy of "don't expect the farm to change any from how it is." And the farm owners are not so happy with me if I ask for specific details about their plans to move forward.

    I have been on farms that were 'incomplete,' construction wise. But in those cases there work construction crews actively working on site.

    And in this economy, should I really believe that someone who has had a hard time selling their horses, etc is going to be putting out a pile of $ to build even an outdoor ring ? Isn't it like me saying, "well I don't know how to ride horses, but I plan to learn this year ?"

    I've already hit one wall with a potential employer who said they wanted to do A,B,C. But when I spent a few weeks at their farm, it was pretty apparent they were NOT going to be doing A,B,C.

    How should I handle the "well we've never really had a ----- trainer here before so we didn't build a -----, but we want to."
    \"Enlightenment is like moonlight reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet nor is the water broken.\"

  • #2
    I would be more aggressive with the farms that have what you need now, versus the ones that plan on doing it. I have also learned that most farms have lofty goals not well based in reality.

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    • #3
      Go with your gut. It is speaking very wisely to you.

      And good luck!
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      • #4
        I'm confused. Are you saying that these barns want to hire you to do something that would be impossible for you to do at their facility?
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          #5
          Originally posted by pAin't_Misbehavin' View Post
          I'm confused. Are you saying that these barns want to hire you to do something that would be impossible for you to do at their facility?
          Yes, indeed.

          Perhaps they currently ride in a field. And/or they haven't been training the horses to do A or B, but now they want to so they can make them more sellable. I figure if they want to put some dressage or jump training on horses and then offer them for sale as such, then we need a proper level arena for potential buyers to try the horses in.

          One farm said they would be "installing" the ring themselves, but they don't really need a transit to make it level, nor will they be installing a base, letting it rest before putting the final footing on top, etc. While I do enjoy nice grass footing myself (when it's not too dry or too wet) as far as selling horses is concerned a certain level of facilities and equipment is recommended.

          But I am left feeling a tad guilty for not 'giving people a chance,' but how do I say "I just don't believe you will be building a ring." The one farm I tried out at, and asked them to begin moving forward with their 'plans,' balked, choked, said they were too busy, and called me 'impatient' and 'pushy.'
          \"Enlightenment is like moonlight reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet nor is the water broken.\"

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          • #6
            I think you can be more vague than that. Sort of like if you don't like a horse, you don't have to say "well, he's ugly and mean and I hate that color" you can just say "I don't think that's the right horse for me at this time." So if you interview somewhere and get that feeling nothing's going to be happening, or the job otherwise doesn't seem suitable, you can just follow up by saying "Thanks for the opportunity to interview, but I'm considering another offer right now/I've found something closer to home/I found another opportunity.

            Or even, "I appreciate your time, but I do need to find a position where the facilities are already in place. Feel free to contact me after your arena is built, and we can discuss things then." Or something like that. Less is more, ya know?

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              [QUOTE=twofatponies;4967847

              I do need to find a position where the facilities are already in place. Feel free to contact me after your arena is built, and we can discuss things then." Or something like that. Less is more, ya know?[/QUOTE]


              I like this, "facilities already in place." That's a good way to put it.
              \"Enlightenment is like moonlight reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet nor is the water broken.\"

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              • #8
                You are just as entitled to ask them questions (obviously relevant, within reason questions) as they are to ask you questions. My Dad told me to interview them as much as they interview me. Now, I do not take it to that extreme (My Dad is much higher up on the career ladder than I am, and is actually recruited by universities to do his job so I think he has more right to do this, haha!) but his point does make sense to me. A good employer, one you'll want to work with, will want you to ask questions as it shows you are paying attention to what they have to say and what they expect of you. They should know its better to sort out/know about potential problems now than later.
                Last edited by Event4Life; Jul. 8, 2010, 05:10 PM.
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                • #9
                  I feel you . I think fatponies is right. That way, if they do finally step up then you haven't burnt your bridge.
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                  • #10
                    So, would you be working on some kind of commission basis? I'm guessing no one is going to actually pay someone a regular wage to, say, train horses to jump when there are no jumps with which to train?
                    I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

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                    • #11
                      I guess the question for YOU is, are they paying you a salary? If they are, the next question for you is, how despearate are you to get a job?

                      I'm an IT professional. If my company hires me to do computer related tasks, but fail to give me a computer, I ain't going to quit, or turn the job offering down. As long as they continue to pay me, I really don't care. They just need to udnerstand that if they don't provide me a computer, I cannot do my job.

                      Now if it is commission based, then yeah, no sense for you to accept a job offering knowing you aren't going to make enough out of it.

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                        #12
                        I guess there are two (at least) issues at stake.

                        1) Potential disconnect from reality.

                        If the employer does not really know what is required to accomplish A,B,C, and then I have to decide whether I want to take on the additional job responsibility of educating them about the realities. Fine if I am being paid $35/lesson or per ride. But a 'horse job' that pays a salary around $10/hour does not pay enough to do have to do that much wrestling with the person writing the checks. To boot, they are probably not going to listen to me anyway since I am "only worth" the $10/hour. If their $100/hour dressage trainer said the same thing they'd be more likely to take the advice.

                        2) Potential "I'm a lying scum bag" factor.

                        If the potential employer is a flat out liar, always blowing sunshine and roses up everybody's arse to get what they want out of them, then that's bad.

                        Gloria, you are right that if they are paying a flat salary then it seems reasonable to just then do whatever. But, the horse business is too much hard work and serious physical risk for too little pay (and no health insurance, retirement, etc.) to put up with too much BS. No one wants to spend their days bush hogging when they are supposed to be training and selling horses.

                        And unfortunately it is a serious career risk to bush hog, stack hay, and foal out standardbreds for a year or a few and then think you are going to be able to go back out and get a job riding nice young WB.

                        The jobs entail more than JUST riding and selling sport horse prospects (there is foaling out mares, ground work with babies, auction/sales prep, etc.)
                        \"Enlightenment is like moonlight reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet nor is the water broken.\"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Zen and Horses View Post
                          And unfortunately it is a serious career risk to bush hog, stack hay, and foal out standardbreds for a year or a few and then think you are going to be able to go back out and get a job riding nice young WB.
                          Oh, well that makes more sense, then. I was kind of wondering why you didn't just take the paycheck, too.
                          I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

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                          • #14
                            As long as you think the people will pay you a salary or an hourly wage, you can work with them on a plan. Ask about their goals for each horse. If they want a horse schooled, competed, and sold for x amount, you can help them make the plan. For instance:
                            The plan for Horse A should be doing 3' jumper courses so he can be sold for x amount of money. He currently can WTC but has never jumped.

                            Horse A needs flat work 3 days per week in the field or a ring. He needs to be jumped in a ring 3 days per week. He needs to go to a competition every 2 weeks, beginning at 18".

                            The owner needs to provide a ring or arrange the use of someone else's ring. The owner needs to pay you for the time to trailer Horse A to that ring, as well as the hours of riding. The owner should plan on spending y amount in entry fees each month as well as paying you for z number of hours and paying a trailering fee.

                            If you and the owner are in agreement on the plan, and you think they will uphold their part of the deal, take the job. You don't need fancy facilities.

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                            • #15
                              My best advise is to write out exactly what it is that you are looking for...

                              Describe your perfect situation detailing all of your responsibilities, and the resources of the facility.

                              Then describe the others who you will be working with and their responsibilities in the running of the farm.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Zen and Horses View Post
                                Yes, indeed.

                                Perhaps they currently ride in a field. And/or they haven't been training the horses to do A or B, but now they want to so they can make them more sellable. I figure if they want to put some dressage or jump training on horses and then offer them for sale as such, then we need a proper level arena for potential buyers to try the horses in.

                                One farm said they would be "installing" the ring themselves, but they don't really need a transit to make it level, nor will they be installing a base, letting it rest before putting the final footing on top, etc. While I do enjoy nice grass footing myself (when it's not too dry or too wet) as far as selling horses is concerned a certain level of facilities and equipment is recommended.

                                But I am left feeling a tad guilty for not 'giving people a chance,' but how do I say "I just don't believe you will be building a ring." The one farm I tried out at, and asked them to begin moving forward with their 'plans,' balked, choked, said they were too busy, and called me 'impatient' and 'pushy.'
                                Depending on how bad the economy is in your area and how badly you want/need a job...you may need to lower your expectations a bit.

                                I suspect, based on the facilities, that these are not high dollar A curcuit horses being offered for sale. If that is the case, you don't "need a proper level arena" what you need is safe place for the horse to be ridden which can be a field and a few basic jumps or a place to trailer the horse to.

                                It sounds like some of these places may offer the opportunity for a motivated individual to come in and help shape and grow their business in ways that could be beneficial to both.

                                If this is the case, you will probably need to prove your worth before the owner plunks down a large wad of cash on facility enhancements for you.
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                                • #17
                                  Zen,

                                  It seems that your ideal job is to work at an established facility where your main responsibility is to train and sell horses, and leave farm work to farm hands.

                                  There is nothing wrong with that. The question then become, how despearate you need a job "now"? It takes time to get an ideal job. Can you hang on there for months? Most facilities that fit your ideal job environment likely have resident trainers/assistant trainers already, and if they do have position opened, you will expect a lot more compeitions for that one job. Unless your credential is far superior than your compeition, your search will be hard and long.

                                  Sometimes you may need to accept a less than ideal situation, and move up as opportunity present itself.

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