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  • Originally posted by Hopeless View Post

    I was just offering a different perspective. And that is all it is, a perceptive. Not a judgement, not a condemnation, just a different perspective to think about.
    Didn't you get the memo that this is against COTH rules and you will pay a hefty cyber-fine??

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    • Originally posted by DrHB View Post

      Didn't you get the memo that this is against COTH rules and you will pay a hefty cyber-fine??
      Damn it, If I had a goat still I would blame her for eating it. As it is, I'll throw myself at the mercy of COTH.
      https://fearlessriderreturns.blogspot.com/

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      • Great update. Hopefully all is good and you get to enjoy this lovely horse. :-)

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          Yet another update- poll and neck pain has basically resolved. However, vet came out to adjust him this week and I mentioned he had a vertebrae that was oddly shaped and painful for him, and he prefers to rest his right hind and will occasionally drag his right toe at the trot. She found a left sided bony lesion in his thoracic spine where I had been getting pain on palpation, and believes his lower hock joints are in the process of fusing.

          He continues to be more and more relaxed in the cross ties for grooming, and now only paws slightly when saddled *if* he is paying attention. If he's distracted, he doesn't even notice the saddle. He's able to ridden in all 3 rings like a *big boy*, picks up his canter within a few strides, but still has spooky moments and has a 25 minute brain time limit. Upping his work load to 5 days a week with 2 being hack-at-a-walk (or learn to not panic in pastures) days and 3 being flatwork days. I am worried something else is going on with him; I never tested for EPM or Lyme since I'm on a budget as an intern, and I'm wondering if I should still pull those titers since I'm about to no longer be an intern, and can afford more than $300/month in vet bills.

          I just worry I've lost my chance at the jumper I've always wanted, and now have an 8 year old that can't have a career.
          About my horses and my riding:http://krseq.blogspot.com

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          • Originally posted by KandC View Post
            Yet another update- poll and neck pain has basically resolved. However, vet came out to adjust him this week and I mentioned he had a vertebrae that was oddly shaped and painful for him, and he prefers to rest his right hind and will occasionally drag his right toe at the trot. She found a left sided bony lesion in his thoracic spine where I had been getting pain on palpation, and believes his lower hock joints are in the process of fusing.

            He continues to be more and more relaxed in the cross ties for grooming, and now only paws slightly when saddled *if* he is paying attention. If he's distracted, he doesn't even notice the saddle. He's able to ridden in all 3 rings like a *big boy*, picks up his canter within a few strides, but still has spooky moments and has a 25 minute brain time limit. Upping his work load to 5 days a week with 2 being hack-at-a-walk (or learn to not panic in pastures) days and 3 being flatwork days. I am worried something else is going on with him; I never tested for EPM or Lyme since I'm on a budget as an intern, and I'm wondering if I should still pull those titers since I'm about to no longer be an intern, and can afford more than $300/month in vet bills.

            I just worry I've lost my chance at the jumper I've always wanted, and now have an 8 year old that can't have a career.

            Having just bought a horse that I've struggled a few months with I will say - sometimes it's about some time. Even though my other horse was "way worse", the newness of my horse to me made it very hard to work through. I've been letting go of my expectations of myself, and of him, and just doing as much as I feel comfortable with. Pushing my own limits to where I'm "just" uncomfortable, and then backing back down, the same way as I do him.

            I'd pull whatever I needed to pull so that I knew, and then I'd start back with the basics. Some horses just adjust way slower. And some are just way sensitive. And if it doesn't work, then there will be a time when it's time to throw in the towel and that will be ok, but I don't feel like you're there yet. You're making so much great progress, and it's great to hear!

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            • I so hope this has a happy ending. OP sounds like you have really tried (and still trying)? Jingles for you and your beautiful horse.

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              • I wish I had a softer way of saying this, but it's been 5 months since you first posted and you still are only doing flatwork and walking five days a week, and the horse has a 25 minute brain time "limit"? I don't think this horse is going to be your jumper (and doubtfully anyone else's either) without some kind of a miracle, no matter what you do. That doesn't mean you have to get rid of the horse if you enjoy him on other levels. It really just depends on what your goals are here. Some people really enjoy a horse even if it can't be the riding /competition horse that they want. Although, admittedly it's easier to do this if have the financial ability to pursue all kinds of workup (as well as all the other stuff that horses require).

                Here's my take on it. If you were ever at a competitive level or in good work doing the job intended with a horse for a decent period of time, then the horse has a decrease in performance or an issue, veterinary workup is worth the $$$. If the horse is "promising" but has never actually been able to deliver and do the job for which they were intended during the time you have owned the horse, then expensive veterinary workup for a NQR type problem is probably not worth the $$$. Obviously these types of decisions are affected by finances, time available, and importance of personal goals vs. enjoying simply being a horse owner.
                Last edited by BeeHoney; May. 3, 2018, 07:58 PM.

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                  So, I agree with you BeeHoney. I've cut myself a little break because he's only been ridden regularly truly since March, during which we increased work from 3 days to 4 days a week, despite an irregular riding schedule due to my internship and the weather. I'm also putting in 90% of the work myself and I'm an adult ammy, who is still a bit timid and gun shy from the rearing and bucking he did back in September/October/November. So really, we are at 2 months of true regular work (lesson every 2-3 weeks, ridden every other day or so), with plans to increase to a weekly lesson and a true regular program from me as my new job starts this month.

                  I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place because I told myself if he hadn't made progress over the winter, I would unload him, but we have made progress- he's probably back at square one where he was when I bought him. We just reintroduced cavalettis two weeks ago and he barely bat an eye.

                  I was jumping him 2'6-2'9 with room to go higher this time last year, and others have ridden him prior to me and after I've purchased him. He's got potential, he's sweet, but I'm already a horse owner to a horse that can't jump and he was meant to be the jumping horse. If he can jump, but can't go as high as I want, I'll lease him out. If he can't jump, he can't do his job, and I'll have to figure something out. He really is a gem of a horse, but I can't figure out the physical issues enough to make leaps and bounds; right now, we're making baby steps.
                  About my horses and my riding:http://krseq.blogspot.com

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                  • It depends on your goals but I think making progress is a good thing. There is no one size fits all with horses. Whatever you decide I hope you and your horse will be happy.

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                    • And honestly OP, unloading him and getting a new one isn't a guarantee. I understand about being gun shy when you've had issues with him but it sounds like you both are headed in the right direction.
                      "Punch him in the wiener. Then leave." AffirmedHope

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                        Yet another update- we are now on week 2 of 5-6 rides/week, which are 10 minutes of working walk, 10 minutes walk/trot with canter departures both ways, 10 minutes of working walk, and he is graduating to a full 10 minutes of trotting work. He keeps his focus on short 5 minute hacks after his 30 minutes of work. He's stopped trying to balk in corners, attempts to focus, and will actually put himself in a long and low frame and use his back if I add leg! We jumped our first cross rail in 5 months 3 days ago, and he picked up a lesson pony canter on the other side.

                        I've gotten braver- he tried to "forget" how to turn right in a corner a few times, wanting to stare at the horses, so he got a pony kick and a tight circle right, I've ridden through some head twisting, talking to his neighbors, and a few dolphin hops. All of which have been solved by more leg.

                        He did have one meltdown due to liniment, so no more liniment for him. The irony is he's more sound post-liniment than he was before.

                        Super proud of him- he's figuring out water puddles, is now focused in 2 of the 3 rings, and when we've conquered the rings, we'll move on to fields.... Still pretty guarded about his future, but I love the horse he is becoming. Right now the focus is on good experiences and building fitness and confidence for both of us, before we dive into showing/clinics/jumping. I hope we stay this way for a while.
                        About my horses and my riding:http://krseq.blogspot.com

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                        • Original Poster

                          Well, we ended up getting him worked up with a sports medicine vet in July, and to the vet's surprise, he has kissing spine.

                          We injected his back, did some Shockwave, and started a rehab program. We're two months out from the injections and 4 weeks out from our last Shockwave, and he's doing well! Flatwork is really coming along- working on transitions, lengthening and shortening in all 3 gaits, stretching at the walk and trot, and some lateral work. He'll cool down outside of the arena for 5-10 minutes like a champ. Lunging is going well (although we still have occasional meltdowns) and he's learning his vocal commands. Jumped our first line (albeit 18 inch crossrails) this past week. I have a routine for grooming and tacking up that works for him. He'll sleep while I tack him up, plays with my hair while I groom him like he used to, and had an *itchy* not flinchy back the other day and enjoyed some back scratches. Minimal "anxious" face when he is bridled, and found a bit he seems to love- which is ironically the bit he first reared in. He's also much more reliable to catch in the field, following me, and just seems more interested in my presence. Even though he is ridden/worked 4-6 days a week, I make sure we have one day of grooming and grazing so he knows it isn't all work. I try to give him one "scary" or "challenging" thing a week to build both of our confidences; this week, it was lunging over a small starter cross country fence at a walk.

                          Baggage is still there- currently working on removing a *panic* button in the outdoor washrack when he pulls back and hits the end of the crossties, won't walk into arenas if I'm riding him (just backs up, refuses to turn or circle, considers rearing), and I'm not ready to trust him for longer hacks yet.

                          I'm just of the mindset that we'll go however far he will go, and if retirement comes, it comes. In the meantime, he seems quite pleased with himself, and just happier all around; I think we're at the stage where we've removed most, if not all, of the pain, and now I'm having to re-teach him work is fun and doesn't hurt.
                          About my horses and my riding:http://krseq.blogspot.com

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                          • This is such a great update. So happy to hear he is feeling better and everything is coming along.
                            A good book to read is "That Winning Feeling" by Jane Savoie. When I was having problems with Sport that arose from misunderstandings in communication I found it really helpful. It is just a different way of looking at things and helped us in starting over in some areas.

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