• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 2/8/18)
See more
See less

Horse killed in pasture

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #21
    Hmm. There is no quote from the police in this story.

    https://www.news4jax.com/news/couple...s-shot-in-head

    On the other hand there is no red flag for mistreatment of the horse in photos shown (other than obviously horse is dead). The horse just looks like a pasture horse. It's a Fjord clearly with a spiky mane, and some of that might be rubbed out, typical horse behavior. The toes of the hooves are a bit long and the heels are under-run but no more than many functional horses whose owners think they are using the best farrier in town

    Comment


    • #22
      Originally posted by Scribbler View Post
      Hmm. There is no quote from the police in this story.

      https://www.news4jax.com/news/couple...s-shot-in-head

      On the other hand there is no red flag for mistreatment of the horse in photos shown (other than obviously horse is dead). The horse just looks like a pasture horse. It's a Fjord clearly with a spiky mane, and some of that might be rubbed out, typical horse behavior. The toes of the hooves are a bit long and the heels are under-run but no more than many functional horses whose owners think they are using the best farrier in town
      It definitely isn't a Fjord (look at the other photos in the article you linked and the gofundme). Regardless of breed, horrible story. Horse does not look in shiesty condition like someone else here mentioned. We've had people in my community go around shooting horses, and even a couple very horrendous stabbings, for either revenge or just for some sick individuals pleasure. Things like this do sadly happen. Hopefully LEO can get to the bottom of this and figure out who the culprit is.

      Comment


      • #23
        I don't think the horse looks in terrible condition either. Maybe just a couple of normal scrapes. I mean can you imagine if this happened to your horse? I would need to be held back. If it isn't a scam...I'd feel terrible for calling it one. I would hope that a police officer would be able to tell the difference between a bullet hole and a scar made to look like one...?

        Comment


        • #24
          Originally posted by rockonxox View Post

          It definitely isn't a Fjord (look at the other photos in the article you linked and the gofundme). Regardless of breed, horrible story. Horse does not look in shiesty condition like someone else here mentioned. We've had people in my community go around shooting horses, and even a couple very horrendous stabbings, for either revenge or just for some sick individuals pleasure. Things like this do sadly happen. Hopefully LEO can get to the bottom of this and figure out who the culprit is.
          I wasn't saying the horse was in horrible Condition, it's so hard for me to gather someone would murder a horse...I'm sure it happens, maybe our horses are cared for better and triggered that..as I said others are feeling sketchy also....and of course we all know people associated with the owners of turbo or the owners will be right here on this forum....

          Comment


          • #25
            This story is going viral, not organically it was seeded...posted to all the right groups, and backlinked to the highest trafficked forums....sure it's great to donate to the cause but why, almost professionally share this to exploit the donation probabilities??? This is another redflag

            Comment


            • #26
              Originally posted by MCF1991 View Post
              I don't think the horse looks in terrible condition either. Maybe just a couple of normal scrapes. I mean can you imagine if this happened to your horse? I would need to be held back. If it isn't a scam...I'd feel terrible for calling it one. I would hope that a police officer would be able to tell the difference between a bullet hole and a scar made to look like one...?
              I'm talking about the scar between the eyes..when mandi is on turbo.you didn't look at the pictures or your trying to through of what I was saying

              Comment


              • #27
                Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post

                I'm talking about the scar between the eyes..when mandi is on turbo.you didn't look at the pictures or your trying to through of what I was saying
                No I couldn't imagine if this happened to any of our horses, luckily we are safe in our community

                Comment


                • #28
                  Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post

                  No I couldn't imagine if this happened to any of our horses, luckily we are safe in our community
                  Breathe. We get it, you think it is scammy. Don't bother donating then.

                  Comment


                  • #29
                    Originally posted by rockonxox View Post

                    Breathe. We get it, you think it is scammy. Don't bother donating then.

                    Comment


                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Sugarwells View Post

                      I all fairness, you are only 2 weeks behind in your membership to COTH.
                      .
                      How can you be “ behind in your COTH membership”? And careful assuming how new somebody is to COTH. Many have had different screen names over the years or are posting under an alter from a different machine, email and IP addy. Sometimes because of life’s interruptions and forum format changes, sometimes because they were banned and sometimes to stir the pot while looking like a naive newbie.

                      I don’t think that horse is in bad condition at all, cleanest dead horse I’ve seen nor to I think it’s a Fjord. And didn’t see any other pictures with scrapes or scars right where the bullet hole is, Did see a minor scar in the head on shot, right below the left eye, the bullet wound appears dead center above and right smack between the eyes. And no accident from a stray bullet, seen a few that stopped one of those, usually in the biggest part of the body. Beyond that I have no opinion and never donate anywhere unless I know all parties.
                      When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                      The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

                      Comment


                      • #31
                        Originally posted by findeight View Post

                        How can you be “ behind in your COTH membership”? And careful assuming how new somebody is to COTH. Many have had different screen names over the years or are posting under an alter from a different machine, email and IP addy. Sometimes because of life’s interruptions and forum format changes, sometimes because they were banned and sometimes to stir the pot while looking like a naive newbie.
                        I meant the OP was only 2 weeks truthseakers memberships, senior.
                        I am well aware of all of the reasons for new membership, I personally have been member for over a decade and a haf, but have had to re-register due to a reason you have mentioned above. Not banned or for pot stirring.

                        Comment


                        • #32
                          While I think a certain poster on this thread is making a lot of unfounded accusations, I agree that the story still doesn't totally make sense. While there is a media report, there are no actual statement from police, just the owners recounting of what police supposedly said about the investigation. It's just doesn't feel quite right.

                          Comment


                          • #33
                            Maine is not missing, it's still just east of New Hampshire.
                            "Random capitAlization really Makes my day." -- AndNirina

                            Comment


                            • #34
                              Radio interview of owner regarding this crime:
                              http://www.850wftl.com/horse-shot-dead-jacksonville/

                              She doesn't say that the type of gun is known for sure, just that she felt someone clearly wanted to kill the horse because of the location of the shot in the head.
                              "Random capitAlization really Makes my day." -- AndNirina

                              Comment


                              • #35
                                Horses get shot for various reasons.

                                Accidentally by dimwitted hunters.

                                On purpose randomly by psychopaths.

                                On purpose targeted by people who have a grudge against the owners.

                                By the owners for euthanasia.

                                This does seem like a very deliberate killing, not something that went astray from a rifle aiming at a deer.

                                In general for stories of crime and victimhood, I like to see a corroborating story that includes a comment from the investigation police. In most parts of the country the killing of a pet horse is news enough that the police will investigate and be willing to comment. Especially Florida which had a couple of high profile horse killings in the past couple of years.

                                Of course these days "victim has a Go Fund Me account" can be a standalone news story.

                                But I like to see the original news story, "police in whatsit county are investigating the death of ....."

                                if there was a police investigation I am sure the first step would be to dig out the bullet which would prove the kind of gun.

                                I also don't however quite follow the frantic interest of the houseguests or greenies who want to bring this to our attention and see all kinds of other mistreatment implied.

                                This is not a horse that shows any signs of mistreatment beyond being shot between the eyes.

                                I am interested in the capability of internet and FB for creating and perpetuating scams, particularly in the horse world. I have no idea if this is one or not. In general, I want proof something *is* real and not a scam before I would believe it.

                                As far as scam, meaning really that there is more (or less) to this story than is being said on the social media posts:

                                Horse might or might not belong to the GMF/ FB people who posted this.
                                Horse might have been euthanized.
                                Horse might have been shot by someone with a grudge against owners (and owners have a good idea who).
                                Horse might have been shot by a random psychopath (and owners have a good idea who).
                                Horse might not have been shot, it might be asleep with stage makeup on.

                                If it's true, eventually there will be corroborating evidence.

                                If it's not true, then a few people will donate and eventually it will fade away, only to reappear on FB in three years.

                                Comment


                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by Scribbler View Post
                                  In most parts of the country the killing of a pet horse is news enough that the police will investigate and be willing to comment.
                                  Here you'll get the media's line of "police are investigating" and "call the tips hotline" and not any actual direct quotes from law enforcement. I know at least one of the incidents here the story was pretty much dropped after the initial reporting because a) public interest dwindled out and b) it was a juvenile who committed the act so no names and most info that the public was interested in wasn't going to be released until post adjudication -- and by then it really had dwindled out and no media picked up the story.

                                  Comment


                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by PeteyPie View Post
                                    Maine is not missing, it's still just east of New Hampshire.
                                    Are you sure that's where it is or are you just taking a shot in the dark?

                                    Comment


                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by PeteyPie View Post
                                      Maine is not missing, it's still just east of New Hampshire.
                                      It could have disappeared in that evil fog...

                                      Comment


                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by Truthseeker
                                        I have choirs to do my horses need me...
                                        Happy singing!

                                        Comment

                                        • Original Poster

                                          #40
                                          Originally posted by ohnoO View Post

                                          It could have disappeared in that evil fog...
                                          Canada took it!

                                          Comment

                                          Working...
                                          X