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  • #21
    I saw a similar 'unglue' happen to my Thoroughbred when I changed boarding barns after the first barn sold. He went from gentle and calm, walk-on-the-buckle type of guy to a horse almost impossible to handle and ride. He was completely unsettled to the point of being dangerous.

    In his case it was several things....the foremost being that the barn owner insisted on practicing Parelli on him, without my permission and in fact after I had told her not to. There were some feeding issues, but the main cause of his complete meltdown was this woman and her handling of him.

    So, I know it can happen sometimes. I moved him and within 24 hours of being at my home he was back to his old self - and he's still his old self now with a caring young new owner 8 years later.

    Is this person who rode the horse still around the barn and would she have access to your horse in any way?

    Having a horse that you are afraid to handle isn't a joy for either of you. I agree with those that have suggested turnout and a break for you both.

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    • #22
      Of course that is the other possibility--that there's something else going on at the barn that the horse continues to react to. Given all the diagnostics that you've had done, it probably does make sense to move him to a place where he'd be turned out all or most of the day, and where the pace is low-key. Let him just be a horse for several months and then see what you've got.
      "The formula 'Two and two make five' is not without its attractions." --Dostoevsky

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        #23
        Thanks to all for the responses - I absolutely moved the horse to another barn and have been quite happy there. The staff have all been there for 5+ years and are all kind and wonderful with all the horses, not just mine. We have been at this barn for about 6 months now, and while some of the edginess has resolved, the horse is still reactive and nervous.

        The turnout is excellent, 8 hours minimum a day, every day, rain or shine in a large paddock with one other horse. My only complaint is that there isn't lot of grass, however the barn ensures that there is a round bale out at all times. The staff isn't afraid of the shenanigans, many of them have worked on the track or at breeding farms so they're used to unruly behaviour (thankfully!).

        I have been looking for quality outdoor board facilities, and the closest one is about an hour and a half from me, which isn't within my farrier or vet's radius - so I may just continue to pay board at my current facility and just take some time away from it to clear my head.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by hAlterBroke View Post
          Thanks to all for the responses - I absolutely moved the horse to another barn and have been quite happy there. The staff have all been there for 5+ years and are all kind and wonderful with all the horses, not just mine. We have been at this barn for about 6 months now, and while some of the edginess has resolved, the horse is still reactive and nervous.

          The turnout is excellent, 8 hours minimum a day, every day, rain or shine in a large paddock with one other horse. My only complaint is that there isn't lot of grass, however the barn ensures that there is a round bale out at all times. The staff isn't afraid of the shenanigans, many of them have worked on the track or at breeding farms so they're used to unruly behaviour (thankfully!).

          I have been looking for quality outdoor board facilities, and the closest one is about an hour and a half from me, which isn't within my farrier or vet's radius - so I may just continue to pay board at my current facility and just take some time away from it to clear my head.
          Ok I'm confused. The first post a few days ago said horse was at barn where everyone was scared of him. Now you're saying you moved him to a better barn 6 months ago?

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            Scribbler - the staff are not afraid of him, cautious but not scared - I think I worry more about them getting hurt than they do. They’ve commented numerous times about how the slightest thing triggers a massive spook/leap. I’m the one that is scared unfortunately
            Last edited by hAlterBroke; Oct. 14, 2017, 09:51 AM.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by hAlterBroke View Post
              Scribbler - the staff are not afraid of him, cautious but not scared - I think I worry more about them getting hurt than they do. They’ve commented numerous times about how the slightest thing triggers a massive spook/leap. I’m the one that is scared unfortunately
              Then something is still very wrong for the horse. If he is being kept in a stall or stall paddock situation and you are not able to ride it work with him every day, then he will just get crazier and crazier, like an injured horse on stall rest does.

              IMO the only place for a horse you (or someone) can't work with every day, is a big pasture with a herd situation. It lets them relax, clear their heads, and learn to take responsibility for their own moods. The herd situation gives them social interaction to distract from stereotype behavior, the unlimited food eliminates meal.time panic, the chance to run and buck at will works off nerves and the absence of human contact reduces a whole chunk of anxiety. Horses get used to a variety of stimuli and can learn from the herd how to react to a tractor, a coyote, a hailstorm, etc. They get back their emotional integrity. Now they may start cribbing and spooking again once they are back in the barn. But at least a long break gives them a chance to reset.

              Needs a good big pasture 24/7, good grass, run in shelter, and a stable herd to join.

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              • #27
                Honestly, I'd put him on Relyne-gi or another high quality ulcer supplement for a week or two. Or just bite the bullet and put him on omeprazole, though some studies indicate it can cause hind gut acidosis?? It just seems your horse has a lyme issue or gastric (possibly hind gut?) issue from how you describe him.

                I also agree full t/o is a fantastic idea.. along withFT access to forage.

                If you were going to work him, I'd say Depo first for a month, but I"m more inclined to treat the stomach and give lots of t/o instead. Let him just be a horse for a while.

                I'm so sorry. I know how frustrating this can be.

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                • #28
                  It doesn't sound like the turnout is meeting his needs.

                  I agree with the 24/7 large group turnout, even 1.5 hours away.

                  This sounds medical and I agree with the rest.

                  No, I wouldn't ride this horse till you have some control back. I'm sure the rider wasn't helping this situaton, but if something was starting to cause problems medically she may have felt she needed to ride stronger. You yourself had bad rides too, so that doesn't fit that it's all that person.

                  I get that riders can cause many problems, and have lingering effects, but that should start to clear in a few weeks with that person out of the mix and not get progressively worse. (I have had it happen to my horse, so I fully understand, however, it was not this extreme).

                  I don't think I have ever seen a purely non-medical reason for bad behavior like this in a horse. It always has some pain or disease component, but sometimes not diagnosed till later.


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