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    #21
    That's the epitome of our society's reading comprehension right there
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    • #22
      I have to agree with what every one else is saying. They do not read the ads, or don't comprehend what they just read. Steel-aluminum trailer is funny, had not heard that one before! Having been on both sides, buying and selling, folks do lie about their horses. Certainly we all want to buy a diamond cheap! Training time is work we would prefer to avoid, it takes so long to get horse to the "fun part" of usefulness! But time is money, seller should be charging more as horse is developed, has good training time in him. People don't think that you riding/training your own horse in developing him should add to his selling price! "You would be riding him anyway, isn't the fun of riding him enough?" Why should they pay for your "fun?" They will never get it.

      Got reminded of need for better questioning on our part with purchasing a horse last spring. Went to see him, got the demo ride and drive, then did the same with him ourselves. Stood quietly tied, easy to saddle, mount and ride. Same with his driving work. Heard his history, likes and dislikes, saw him stand quietly tied to a post, no slip knot (so she was not expecting problems), for long times. Passed all his Vet work.

      We went back to pick him up and he is a pig to load, as well as breakaway halter breaker! All quiet and deliberate at the back of trailer ramp. I got out my solid nylon halter, neck rope, headbumper and put them on, started the loading process again. Took some time but husband sweet talked him into loading. We headed home, he hauled well. Then unloading he exploded backwards out of the trailer!! Jerked loose, then fell off the ramp at home, so we got hold of him again, put him in a stall. Husband was persuaded to NOT have loading CTJ session at midnight. That happened the next day after horse and husband had some sleep. Horse remembered how to load promptly and UNLOAD as asked, no running backwards. Step back as asked, WHEN asked, so life was peaceful again. No big fight scenes, just VERY uncomfortable to horse when not responding with correct answers. He is a bully and had gotten away with it far too long.

      Horse then threw himself back again when we got him moved to his tie stall accomadations, wearing neck rope and solid halter a number of times. He does this with most new stuff! He did get corrected for that, no excuse. Her conversation about using him in parades, giving cart rides for kids in town led us to thinking he hauled easily in her visible trailer, had been exposed to various things as a driving horse, which his reactions are saying is not true. We DID NOT specifically ask about these things, so our fault there! He has improved a bunch in tying, since he is in a tie stall daily, MANY things going down the aisle behind him daily. But I expect he will be wearing a neck collar or neck rope the rest of his time here because I won't ever trust him not to fly back if surprised. Can't ever let him break loose again in his efforts to escape or avoid things.

      Hoping to never have to sell another horse. What a can of worms that turns into!!
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      • #23
        Well, if it makes y'all feel better - I DO read the ads. And I promise never to contact you (or any seller) with silly questions. Especially if you have all pertinent info in the ad.

        And my favorite buyers are - yes, the ones who want the next Olympic champeen for - you guessed it, $500. Or less. Or buy your horse that does one thing - like barrel racing - and try to make it into a jumper. And then get mad at you because it didn't/doesn't work. Oy.....

        I should post about my friend's adventures in buying a horse recently - that was an eye-opener and a mind-boggler.
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        • #24
          Ah, horse selling. I was selling a green-broke youngster and, to make a long story short, the first potential buyer we had turned out to be a nutjob so we decided to not sell the horse for her. I moved abroad and with my parents being as unhorsey as they come, the horse went into professional training to further his education and be sold. When he'd been with the pro for a year, we put his price up a couple grand. Because a year of professional training.

          Another buyer comes along and falls in love with the horse. I'm in the UK, but my trainer assures me that it seems like a good match. Then the buyer contacts us all upset because, it turns out, she knows buyer #1 and buyer #1 had told her what she'd been about to pay for the horse more than a year ago. Buyer #2 thinks we're trying to rip her off. Great. We explain the whys and wherefores of the horse industry: horses are worth more when they know more, and if they've been schooled by a pro, they're worth even more than that. This horse had taken to training like a duck to water, so he'd come quite far in a year. Buyer #2 whines some more and pulls out.
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          • #25
            Originally posted by IronwoodFarm View Post
            I just posted the same basic comments on the other thread OP. Some people do not read the ad .
            They do not read because they can not read. I am not sure if its because of text messaging or that they just are unable to read.

            Often simple instructions in the installation manuals I review have to be broken down into pictures or drawings. So may be just draw a ruff horse drawing then a dollar sign with number of dollars desired then the equal sign with another drawing of person handing wad of cash to another person then a drawing of happy new owner loading new horse in trailer.
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            • #26
              I really like this idea, clanter. And I was being nice about not reading because most people don't read or retain what they may have read. I have a corrollary from working with professionals -- the higher the education, the less likely to read. I am not sure why this is the case, maybe the person doesn't think it applies to them or just can't be bothered following instructions.
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              • #27
                In the middle of horse-shopping right now, and can confirm that not reading goes both ways! I posted an ISO ad on facebook that included the phrases "no painted warmbloods" and "no Friesians" and yet still got messages from sellers about both. Maybe they think their horse will be the exception to the rule? I just figure it's a bit like online dating where nobody actually reads the profiles and just spams everyone with the same message.

                (OK, how long before someone invents "Tinder for Horse Sales" where people can swipe based on pictures?)

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by clanter View Post

                  They do not read because they can not read. I am not sure if its because of text messaging or that they just are unable to read.

                  Often simple instructions in the installation manuals I review have to be broken down into pictures or drawings. So may be just draw a ruff horse drawing then a dollar sign with number of dollars desired then the equal sign with another drawing of person handing wad of cash to another person then a drawing of happy new owner loading new horse in trailer.
                  This is brilliant!

                  But sadly, I think you will also need those stick figure drawings of all the possible dangers of leading and loading a horse -- snapping off fingers with the lead rope, getting trampled by horse, etc. -- like all those warnings on your tractors and lawn mowers and bush hogs and such. Also, a separate image of the trailer with the x or circle and line over it, just so they don't think they're getting a free trailer with the horse! hahahaha!

                  If thou hast a sorrow, tell it not to the arrow, tell it to thy saddlebow, and ride on, singing. -- King Alfred the Great
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                  • #29
                    I hated both buying and selling, and have lots of crazy stories. But my most frustrating was shopping for my then employer, who wished to have his identity withheld because he didn't want sellers contacting him directly. I was looking for a big man's (6' 4", 220 pounds) hunting horse that was going to have to hunt hard. Size, bone and soundness were paramount. I told everyone that before I went to look. I started joking that apparently I owned the only stick in the state, as everything I saw was too small and the response was "Oh, I estimated it would stick at 16.3" I started carrying the buyer's saddle with me, and when the seller's protested they were sure the horse was up to the weight, putting the saddle on the potential horse and letting down the stirrup. If it hit the horse's elbow or below, I put the saddle back in the car and left. I mean, really, who thought that a weedy, light boned TB mare that barely sticked at 16.1 was going to fit the bill?

                    Big man's hunting horse, will need to hunt hard. Size and substance paramount. Why was that hard to understand?

                    Even more frustrating was that the buyer's price range was realistic, but I still had to sort through a ton of stuff that didn't meet the basic requirements.
                    The plural of anecdote is not data.
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                    • #30
                      I'd like to rant about those people who don't put prices in their ads. I mean, why put high 5 figures? Put 99,000. Your high might not be MY high. To me, 75,000 is high 5 figures but if that is what I have to spend on a horse and you are expecting 99k, then we are really far apart on price.
                      Why not be exact?
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by chancellor2 View Post
                        I'd like to rant about those people who don't put prices in their ads. I mean, why put high 5 figures? Put 99,000. Your high might not be MY high. To me, 75,000 is high 5 figures but if that is what I have to spend on a horse and you are expecting 99k, then we are really far apart on price.
                        Why not be exact?
                        Well I can answer that. I've done it both ways. I sold a horse for $70k a couple of years ago. I had him listed that way on every ad I posted of him from his Exchange H/J ad to his facebook ads to my posts about my horse for sale. WOW did that seem to give every Tom, Dick, and Harry (or maybe every Sally, Martha, and Joan) the permission to call me or message me with exactly why my price was ridiculous for my horse. Feedback was split, by the way, between people who thought he was grossly overpriced and people who thought he was grossly underpriced. Also had feedback from several of the bigger barns that they wouldn't show my horse to their clients because they didn't want them to see the price, OR the clients didn't want to buy a horse that had its price splashed all over the place because they didn't want other people knowing what they spent.

                        The next horse went up online with a range (similar price as the last horse). I got zero feedback about why my price was wrong. Potential buyers seemed much happier. I carried on exactly the same way in every respect. Gave the price (the SAME price) every time someone asked me for more info. The only difference was that I didn't have to defend myself to everyone who felt like bestowing their wisdom upon me.

                        So now all of my horses have price ranges. I think it's pretty obvious (though maybe I'm alone in that?) - as long as you're not assuming the lowest number in the price range while the buyer is assuming the highest price in the price range. If I see an ad that says Mid-low 5 figures I assume that = $20-40k. Mid 5 figures = $40-60k. Mid-high 5 figures = $60k-80k. High 5 figures = $80-99k.

                        On that note, $75k would never be "high 5 figures." But that does give me some insight into the responses I've received to email inquiries on one of my horses, listed at $75k as a mid-high 5 figure horse.
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                        • #32
                          Had a lady come out and look at my mare. Ad SPECIFICALLY said she was NOT saddle or harness broken. Told her in the email- NOT SADDLE BROKE. Told her when she came out- NOT SADDLE BROKE.

                          20 minutes later: "I want her for my 2yo. Is she saddle broke?" *headdesk* No, ma'am, she's not. "Well, maybe my husband can ride her and break her."

                          MARE IS 37" TALL. MINIATURE HORSE.

                          She immediately became unavailable. I still have her, four years later. Not going anywhere now. Idiots,
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                          • #33
                            I love the people who I took the time to describe, in detail, my 6yo warmblood. He was safe and an all around GOOD DUDE. But he's forward. Not a runaway, but he GOES. TOLD everyone that. If you like a nice, sensitive FORWARD horse, this was going to be your guy. For weeks I showed him to potential buyers who swore that was what they wanted, but they would invariably get on, freeze like a deer in headlights, and he'd basically just keep on trucking. One lady just stood in the stirrups, hanging on the poor guys face as he cantered around, and screamed at me to "Please! You have to make him stop!". And that was a lady who said she'd ridden second level, but was apparently unable to make a very easy horse stop.

                            Good times.

                            I finally sold him to someone who knew how to half halt and found the joy in his forwardness, but boy, the remedial riding I had to do on the poor guy after almost every other ride. Why do timid riders look to buy a 6yo warmblood anyway?

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