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  • #21
    Personally it's a balancing act. You need to be vigilant. I almost gave up and separated my 2. When boarding my gelding he went from bottom horse to near the top when we left. Then I got the mare. She's the sweetest thing in the world to people but she was a total bi@#$ to him. She would bite and kick at him, but it remained only air fighting. But then she started kicking him for real so I decided it was time. The funny part is when I went out to split the field he finally learned to just get out of the way. It took a few months for him to relent. Now other than the occasional skin missing from a bite they're getting along well. It sounds like things are starting to ease up. Just keep a close eye on them and step in if necessary. Then go from there. If it turns violent you'll need to separate them.
    If at first you don't succeed, get back on the horse and try it again!

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    • #22
      "I think you need to rescue a third horse to act as a buffer for the two you have now. " Ha! You enabler, you!
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      • #23
        If you put out any 'special' hay, be sure you put out at least 3 piles, so when ISH meanie runs off the older one, older one has another pile to go to. Similarly, if you feed grain while they are together, have an extra feed pan.

        The idea about letting them out in pasture one at a time for now is a good one. Good luck, and keep us posted.
        Jeanie
        RIP Sasha, best dog ever, pictured shortly before she died, Death either by euthanasia or natural causes is only the end of the animal inhabiting its body; I believe the spirit lives on.
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        • #24
          Give them time. In 6 weeks they'll likely be buddies.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by pony grandma View Post

            well actually there is the old Indian lore about peeling horse chestnuts! http://www.lemen.com/qa184.html What I was told yrs ago that this is how the Indians could sneak up on the cavalry and steal their horses. They would peel their horses' chestnuts. Rub that in their hand then sneak into the horses tied up without the horses sounding an alert and quietly walk them off. Maybe do the same except use the new guys chestnuts and rub them all over the older horse. See if his own smell garners acceptance.
            Old horseman I use to ride with use to take Old Spice deodorant and rub it on the nose of the aggressive horse so that they couldn't smell the new horse when introducing two horses to each other. Not sure if it worked or not, but sounds like a similar idea.
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            • #26
              There are more and more studies coming out that insisting in keeping horses together is a human decision.
              Veterinarians will tell you they have to treat way too many injuries from our wish to have horses get along with others.
              Can't find the I think Swiss study that questioned our understanding and quest to keep horses in groups at all costs and the pitfalls of that in our domestic herds and the different problems that brings over horses in the wild and their interactions there some are trying to reproduce.
              Found this one:

              http://www.thehorse.com/articles/355...-herd-dynamics

              Is it worth, for the times they get along, to have injured horses from our wish to manage them in a group?

              We had horses pastured together all the time but for the few exceptions, but those were maybe not worth all the other times they almost get injured while trying to live in a group.

              One horse I have now came from a life of just that and has the many scars to prove it, where other horses didn't like that he is not as quick to mind and get out of the way.
              He was sold with the warning that, "turned out with others, he would get beaten up", no matter what they tried.
              I tried him turned out with my old horse that has never in his life had a problem with any other horses and they seemed to get along fine for two years, then the new meek horse started bullying the old horse and kept driving him around, so finally had to separate them.
              My neighbor's kid learned to ride on him and he came back after two years.
              I debated if to put them together again, but you know, they both seem perfectly happy each with their own territory and taking naps next to each other by the fence and playing together in the water trough AND not having to feel like defending their space and food any more.
              Being in the same space I don't think would make either any happier, if not stress both more, one trying to be boss, the other wishing for some peace.

              What we need to realize, horses have their own ideas of how they want to live on their own time and terms.
              Those will change all along.
              Hopefully when they do change no one will get injured.

              I see a parallel with someone living with an abusive family member.
              Sure, they may be oh so nice 99% of the time, but that 1% when they become dangerous may get you killed if the stress of the situation doesn't first.
              Many people live like that, is their choice.
              When it comes to our animals, we make that choice for them, hopefully the right one for them.

              Do you really want to insist on letting the meek horse be a punching bag, on the off chance that something will change before someone gets hurt seriously, or perhaps the aggressor decides not to keep having his fun with him?
              That is your decision to make.
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                #27
                Originally posted by DunByMistake View Post
                Maybe it's an ISH thing because I also have one and he can be a real prick to his pasture mate.

                Similar to yours, he was lower on totem pole previously. I moved him home, he lived alone for a while (which he handled well) then I got him a buddy because I felt bad for him. They got along well right away but my horse can be a real jerk to his buddy. She has bad arthritis and is a bit slow and he likes to push her off her food or make her move around for no real purpose. If he wants to move somewhere in pasture, he bites at her to make her go ahead of him.

                BUT if you want to separate them, suddenly he is obsessed and can't bear to be parted. I took him for a trail ride last night and was seriously debating getting rid of other horse because mine has become so stupid over being away from her. But then he gets home and is back to his bullying self. I've often wondered if it is related to not being used to being the top dog and he doesn't know how to handle it. I'm tempted to get a mean old mare to set him in his place.
                I think our ISH are related. You could be describing the behavior in my field! Maybe ISH just have issues relating well with others

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