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  • Lunging Woes

    I've managed to skirt this issue for the year I've now had my horse, and it may turn out to be something I never tackle with him, but I would like some input. I'm not a huge fan of lunging in the first place, and luckily my horse isn't the type that really even needs to spend time on the longeline, but at this point we're tackling a training/respect issue.

    To put it simply, he refuses to go out on a circle. He stands and faces me, and even if a helper leads him around onto a circle, he'll just stop and face me as soon as they leave. I have managed to get him going, but it can be very touch and go, and he certainly isn't respecting my authority as he should. He's 15 and I cannot imagine that in his years as a dressage horse and then jumper, that he was not taught to lunge somewhat properly. I always have a whip and use it, but he's particularly stubborn in this scenario and I'm at a loss.

    Again, keep in mind that I could keep him for the rest of his days and never have to lunge him, but would like to be able to if only for the discipline and respect it fosters. I'm not a fan of driving horses around and around in circles, but am in favor of having a horse that will move away and w/t/c when I tell him to, in the saddle or on the ground.

    Thanks in advance!
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  • #2
    Ha ha ha ha. Sorry, I just have to laugh. My horse was lunged for 3 months during his backing until he was ready to ride.
    He lunged for my trainer, perfectly.
    He lunges for my sister perfectly.

    She once had to use the ladies room in the middle of a session and handed me the lunge line.
    My perfect angel, stopped, turned to me and walked right up and leaned over me.
    "You and what army are going to make me lunge?!"

    I'd say it's most definitely a respect thing, and I don't have his respect.
    It's okay though, since there are two of us humans handling him and he is a kind horse and will not take advantage of me (I've had him 20 yrs so I know that's true). He does have a sense of humor though.

    Enjoy finding your relationship with your horse, you may not be alpha, but as long as it works that's okay. Good luck and have fun - that is really the point, isn't it?

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    • #3
      First, I would like to say lunging is an art form. It should have it's own classes in horse shows. Many years ago, good lunging was always taught at the knee of your instructor. In other words, you learned to lunge before you learned to ride. I have had hard horses on the lunge but a good instructor working with you can help tremendously. I had one gelding that would charge at you while on the lunge. My old instructor worked with us and we became a good partnership. I guess, I would have to say that you could try to change your mindset about lunging. I was taught that it should be the same as riding but you are the ground. With a little practice, you can achieve half halts, lengthenings, and lateral work. It is all what you make it to be. I know very simple but it works. You might want to change your opinion about lunging, it is not simpley going around in circles. You sound like you are a very good candidate for long lining. When that is done correctly, it is a work of art with very good results. Long lining, single lunge, all can produce good results, better bending, you getting a good look of the outline of horse in all gaits, and a mental health break from riding.

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      • #4
        Do you have a round pen? For horses that won't lunge, I liek to free lunge them in a round pen. It's MUCH more easier to teach them respect in a big round pen, then on the line. Plus, I think it's easier on the horse as well. It really is an art form though - where to stand, when to use the whip - or rope, or carrot stick, or whatever - when to use your voice. I could explain it all, but that would be a REALLY long post. I would try and find a good trainer who can show you - which is much easier then trying to read how to do it on a BB.
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          #5
          I agree that it is an art! What I really meant in my OP was more that so few really longe correctly today. I myself was never truly taught how to do it, and simply had to watch others and learn by feel. I think it's an extremely valuable tool, but I'm tired of seeing some riders send their horses around and around in circles to "take the edge off" or whatnot.

          I do have access to a round pen, and a fully enclosed one at that, so I'll try to do some free longeing. My horse and I really do have a good relationship. He's a very good boy (almost all the time (; ), but this is one area in which he's a brat! I guess it's always good to have something to work on though!
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          • #6
            Sounds like he has just figured out that he doesn't have to lunge, if he does not want to, and you aren't going to press the issue.

            Ponypoor, beautifully said. Lunging is a lost art.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ponypoor View Post
              First, I would like to say lunging is an art form. It should have it's own classes in horse shows. Many years ago, good lunging was always taught at the knee of your instructor. In other words, you learned to lunge before you learned to ride. I have had hard horses on the lunge but a good instructor working with you can help tremendously. I had one gelding that would charge at you while on the lunge. My old instructor worked with us and we became a good partnership. I guess, I would have to say that you could try to change your mindset about lunging. I was taught that it should be the same as riding but you are the ground. With a little practice, you can achieve half halts, lengthenings, and lateral work. It is all what you make it to be. I know very simple but it works. You might want to change your opinion about lunging, it is not simpley going around in circles. You sound like you are a very good candidate for long lining. When that is done correctly, it is a work of art with very good results. Long lining, single lunge, all can produce good results, better bending, you getting a good look of the outline of horse in all gaits, and a mental health break from riding.
              You are so right but most folks aren't interested enough or active enough to learn, if they can find someone to teach them the art!

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              • #8
                I would start by teaching him to come around you on a very small circle, like in his stall. If he needs help, step towards his hind in to encourage him forward and around. I have always learned to teach horses to come around you because really that's what everything comes down to. When leading, they should have their inside eye on you and be slightly bent around you, when riding you want them around your leg, seatbone, etc. Once you teach him to come around you on a small circle, then start adding in the whip at the ribcage, or shoulder to move him onto a bigger circle. I would also try flicking the whip underhand at the ribcage when asking him to move away, and overhand at the hind end when asking for forward.

                It is also a good idea to change up your routine while lunging. For example, have him go around 3 times on a circle, and then on the long side of the arena step with him so he can go straight down the long wall. Then when it's time for him to come around and start the circle again, walk towards his hind end to encourage him to come around you again.

                The only issue I have with round pens is that yes, they have to go on a circle, but they horses tend to want to brace in the neck, look out and drop their haunches in, so I prefer to just longe in a bigger area.

                Another idea would be to start with a little in-hand work. Taking the nose down, softly, and having him step up and over and around, and then gradually moving him further and further away from you.

                Obviously, this is all easier said than done. But be patient and it will come

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                • #9
                  I don't exactly have any insight for you, but I can sympathize! When I got my new guy a few years ago, he was (and still can be) a cocky, opinionated little jock. I don't remember why we were lunging, necessarily, because he was never hot or anything... maybe it was just a precaution with a new horse (that we actually suspected to be drugged... but nope! Just the way he was.)

                  Anyway, he would come into the middle all the time, or stop and reverse as he pleased (especially tracking to the right, which was much weaker). He had no problem challenging me, and I was definitely at a loss. I had to get my trainer to lunge him a few times and teach him that he would not enjoy himself if he changed direction or pace. It wasn't pretty the first time he did it with her, but after like.. 5 minutes you could see the gears turning in his little head. After 10 minutes he gave in. It wasn't immediate smooth sailing from there, but it did at least get to the point that I was able to handle him. His turns were getting slower, and he was giving away his intentions so I could pre-empt his maneuvers.

                  To this day, even though he lunges like an absolute pro, if he's in a cocky mood, it'll show up in his lunging. Once he is listening and doing transitions without any fuss or delay, I know he's back on the same page as me about pecking order. And, I don't have to use a lunge whip or anything.


                  So if you have someone who is good at lunging (including assertive and quick!), maybe use them to get the ball rolling. And then keep practicing. If you only lunge sporadically, of course he's not gonna progress all that quickly. I'm not saying you need to drill him- I'm personally of the opinion that 10-15 minutes is more than enough 20 meter circles for one day. Start small. Just get him to stay out of your space (with whip, doing a "lunge" at him with one foot and a growl, whatever it takes) for a minute. Call it quits, hope for two minutes the next day of staying out of your space and/or forward mortion. Perhaps you can even incorporate some respect/attunement work into your other stuff. Like halting when leading him, getting him to stop within a step of you stopping. Making turns that he keeps up with or moves out of your space for as appropriate.

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                  • #10
                    Ugh - I have one mare that is a pig to lunge. When tracking to the right, as soon as the canter transition takes place, off to the races we go. She bolts, bucks, practically goes around with her inside body skimming the ground, outside limbs airborne. Luckily, she doesn't transfer that crappy behavior under saddle, in fact, she has never had that much energy, but I have never been able to break her of her antics.

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                    • #11
                      Use a longeing surcingle and use 2 lines (one through the outside of bit/surcingle D, and the other on the inside). That way you can keep him from turning in. Quickest, easiest fix.

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                      • #12
                        I have one like that who won't lunge. He's also very bossy. Since he has stifle issues anyway the only time we attempt lunging is for the vet. It makes her laugh!

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                        • #13
                          I'm no lunging expert but based on this line I think you have a problem you should tackle:
                          "he refuses to go out on a circle"

                          Don't you have a lunge whip in one hand? Has he no respect for whips at all? I've met some tough skinned horses in my life but not one that would stand there and ignore being hit several times with a lunge whip. Even if they weren't afraid, it annoyed them enough to move.

                          Whether you want to lunge this horse or not he needs to move out of your space when you tell him to period. Otherwise you're teaching him that you're not always in charge.

                          Let's give your horse the benefit of the doubt, perhaps he's really confused about what you want. When your leading him, stop and apply pressure on his side. Does he move away from you? Establish that first. Next carry a dressage whip and do the same. Stop, tap on the side with dressage whip. Does he move away from that? If not establish, if so then move on to holding horse with a coiled up lunge line and using a lunge whip. From there you should be able to get him to walk a small circle around you.

                          I would also always lunge a horse with a lunging caveson with the lunge rope attached to the centre ring. Besides giving you more control this will prevent those dangerous situations where the horse 'escapes' you by quickly changing directions with the lunge line running through the bit on the other side.
                          Last edited by Marengo; Jul. 5, 2010, 04:27 PM.

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                          • #14
                            http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=178116

                            go here theres lunging info and tips

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                            • #15
                              This reminds me of a funny story. I kept my horse for years at a stable in Milton, MA. I paid to have him longed 3x per week for exercise. When I decided in '99 to move to Utah, I realized I'd have to start longeing him myself so I set up in the outdoor arena and... nothing. My boy looked at me like I'd grown a second head. He came up to me. He ran over me. He reared straight up when pushed. I tried and tried and tried but got nowhere.

                              In desperation I went to get the barn owner, the guy who did the longeing. All the way to the barn I was feeling bad for my "poor horse" because I figured he was going to get a can o'whup-ass opened on him for being so bad. Well the BO walked into the arena and picked up the longe line, and my damnable horse said "yes sir, whatever you like sir" and trotted off in a perfectly round circle, neck arched, etc. Then *I* was going to whup his ass! I finally figured out how to ask him AND MEAN IT. I still might have been giving conflicting messages -- I've learned a lot since then about body positioning so as not to block the horse's motion. But in the case of my old gelding, may he RIP, he knew exactly what I wanted and thought compliance was optional!
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