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  • #41
    No actually it sucks to be somneone like yourself. If your way here is any idication of your real life I bet your a very lonely loser.

    BTW just how much in earnings is a horse supposded to have?
    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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    • #42
      Can't we just all sing Kumbayah and get along?
      "I did know once, only I've sort of forgotten." - Winnie the Pooh

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      • #43
        And SeaOat, you've already screwed up on really simple little fact, unless you are extremely indiscriminant about what genders you attack as "bich". I believe "son of a bitch" is what you're going for here.

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        • #44
          County - can you not read?

          Originally posted by county:
          "The type horses in the pictures are not whats used for slaughter and have nothing to do with that industry.
          Slaughtered horses are the fat, young, in good shape ones no differant then cattle or any other species.
          Theres no meat on thin animals so why would they be the ones slaughtered?"

          Then, to prove you wrong, M.K. posted pictures of horses "set to ship today" - the very types you were saying don't go to slaughter.

          Why can't you just admit you are wrong? Is your ego that enormous?

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          • #45
            I would have to interject here, and point out that while there is no "good way to die" for a horse. Being uncaringly sent to slaughter is certainly not the best of the worst. People who breed horses should be willing to accept responsibility for their mistakes, not gleefully ship them off to grace the table of a family in another country.
            POYBGP, member in good standing.

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            • #46
              ......hey SeaOat, ya lonely old loser How's it hangin'??
              http://community.webshots.com/user/racetb

              *Save The Prairie Dog*
              \"Jean Louise, stand up. Your father\'s passing.\"

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              • #47
                And slaughter is not the worst of the worst ways to die, either.

                I once sold a nice mare to a local 4-Her for a bargain-basement price because I thought the girl had talent and needed a chance. Turned out the girl had "talent", alright, but not one damn bit of sense and was something of a hell-raising daredevil on horseback. This was not evident in her lessons, where she performed exquisitely. But that wasn't the worst of it. Her beef-cow-expert dad thought he could teach the horse to load in the trailer using the same techniques he used with his cows. Needless to say, this didn't work; there was a trailer-loading-wreck, and the mare's mind was shot. I tried to buy her back, but they wouldn't sell to me.

                I finagled around to have a friend who was looking for a horse buy her. We spent a year re-habbing the mare's brain, and got to the point where the woman's teenage son thoroughly enjoyed riding her. This was OK, except that the woman's marriage went south, her son started losing interest in horses, and she decided to sell her horses. She found a friend, who was a novice rider, but seemed willing to learn, and sold the mare to her. "SEEMED is the opperative word here. Once in possession, she promptly decided she knew more than enough about horses and could do as she darn pleased (which included yanking the girth up real tight right off the bat, in spite of having been TOLD to tighten gradually, because it made her feel like she'd "accomplished something". And in spite of being TOLD the mare was accustomed to a simple ring snaffle, she promptly put the mare in a curb and honestly could NOT SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE BITS!!! Claimed the bit she was using was "just like the one you had".

                One night as I lay in bed, not quite asleep, I got this "vision", you know, like a dream, only I wasn't asleep yet. The image of the mare floated before me, and unbidden, the words, "She'd be better off dead" came to my mind. Not two days later, I got the call from the woman who'd bought her from the first girl, in tears, calling to tell me that the mare had gotten out on the highway and had been hit by a semi-truck. She did not die on impact. It took the assistance of a vet to send her off to a better place, and god only knows how long she lay there waiting for that release, as vets don't just sprout up under every bush around here.

                If I could have forseen the future, I would have just called the meat man and told him to make sure she was on the next load out.

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                • #48
                  So county tell me how many foals a year you produce? What do you do with the foals that don't live up to your expectations? Do you ship them to slaughter?. Because that is the impression I am getting from your posts. Please clarify.

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                  • #49
                    Being hit by a truck is unfortunate, and I would not wish that on any horse. I also would not wish to see any horse, go the feedlot route.
                    POYBGP, member in good standing.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Marli:
                      And although I didn't even touch on the subject of drugs/toxic chemicals that many U.S. horses sent to slaughter contain - I just for the life of me cannot understand why there isn't a real concern for the health of the population consuming this meat???
                      I had a question about this... for as long as I can remember, those warnings ("do not use on animals used for consumption" or whatever) on fura ointment and fly spray and so forth... Since, god willing, most horses receive some level of care, no doubt involving at some point or other these products... well, wouldn't that make most horses "unsafe?" I also wondered if that was one of the excuses for denying these animals vet care.

                      The "for the table" line in the OP's letter to the ed. really bothered me. I could be wrong but isn't horse meat a delicacy in Europe and Japan??? Not some sort of staple, survival item??

                      Why not suggest breeding horses specifically for the European and Japanese table? Farms for this purpose? That idea would go over like a lead balloon in this country and I'm sure raising the mere suggestion of it would be the fastest way to the prove the notion that we do not breed, raise or conceive of horses as food. However, if it's impossible to immediately end horse slaughter, is it at least possible to clean up the process... continue to fight backwards from there? The truck bills were a start.

                      Having been in a hard-decision position myself, I support euthanasia and I support making it an affordable, accessible option for those who otherwise have none. I also support responsible breeding (and education, education, education).

                      Look, I also enjoy a filet or chicken breast as much as the next carnivore but I firmly believe that even these animals deserve humane treatment right up to the end and it's affected my buying and eating habits (if you haven't, read Fast Food Nation)... it's just got to be possible to do, this, this thing better.

                      sorry to rant... such a contentious issue.

                      one last thing, Marli, the photo of Destiny about broke my heart; what a beautiful face, glad to hear she's doing well.

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                      • #51
                        SeaOat - uh - I'm certainly guilty of getting my dander up on occasion, so I shouldn't cast aspersions - but in this case my dear, you sound like a freakin' lunatic.

                        Your posts remind me of two girls fighting in the high school hallway between classes. If that is the case - ask your parents for permission before participating on an adult BB.

                        Again, I see that this has become and us vs them arugment. I guess your horses magically appeared in your barn and are not the product of a breeder, or from the track, or a ranch out West? Or even - a PMU farm?

                        Who determines what a well-bred horse is? You? Me? The Government? My horses are not well-bred - but they are great horses. Ego drives those comments, as if no well-bred horses were in the killpen. All kinds end up in the killpen.

                        How many people - let's just use the folks on this BB as an example - how many people sell a horse that does not meet their expectations? How many of you want a horse that can compete at Prelim? Or take you to the upper levels in dressage? Or make that perfect child's pony, great trail mount, fantastic endurance horse? Or how many people on this BB have bred their mare only because she's retired and they don't have anything else to do with her. Or sell it as a lesson horse. Or post it on the giveaways forum. How many of us have advised posters to "get rid" of a horse that isn't working out or meeting the riders expectations.

                        Do you really think those horses don't eventually end up in the killpen?

                        Where do those horses come from? When you go horse shopping - how many do you pass by because you don't like Paints, or draft crosses can't do upper level dressage, or your trainer insists you have a Thoroughbred or European Warmblood?

                        Come on, folks. We can argue the evils of slaughter till we're blue in the face. The level of Bute, the foreign ownership of companies - all those are tangential issues intended to garner attention to the subject.

                        The fact of the matter is that we use horses for our own pleasure and recreation.

                        As consumers, we insist on the best, for the least amount of money. A foal that a breeder spends 2200$ to bring into the world brings an offer of 600$ from an interested buyer. That same buyer might call the breeder a monster for getting the best price at auction since it didn't sell to an individual. Who's the monster?


                        Individual horse owners are causing the slaughter of horses. Horses are not generally used for farming anymore - so it's not the farmers. We don't have a mounted calvary anymore - it's not the military. Breeders need to conform to what the market demands in order to stay in business - which means breeding lots of horses. Which means that not all will meet the consumer's expectation.

                        It's our own greed and ego. Same with dogs - after 101 Dalmatians came out everyone wanted a Dalmation. 6 months later, shelters will killing them left and right.

                        Want to make an impact on slaughter? Consider euthanasia of unwanted horses. Or even better - get out of horses altogether. Because if there is no market for horses - there won't be any to go to the killpens.

                        Beat up on county all you want if it makes you feel better. Me too. I think what y'all find upsetting is that we're hitting too close to home. I certainly have no illusions that I'm a part of the problem merely by wanting a horse than can foxhunt. Not all can, so I pass them by - and I do wonder where they end up.

                        Mine will end up at the end of the needle or the barrel of a gun. Even if they might be useful to someone else.
                        Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                        Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                        -Rudyard Kipling

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                          #52
                          Wanted to provide a link to the publications throughout the U.S.

                          American Journalist Review

                          And here's to the state by state-

                          State by State Daily Publications

                          For those that do not reside in the area of this letter to the editor, felt it might be helpful in the event you chose to voice your opinion in your own locale.

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                          • #53
                            Hiya Ms. RaceTB!
                            I've been thinking about you and the family & hoping all is going well. Wishing you're feeling better.
                            Did the dawgs enjoy the spring weather of late (?) or are you all still in the snow drifts??
                            It was 61 here today!!!! They were coming off the track sweating like it was June, one even heat stroked, in FEB!!! That's a first.
                            Not to last though I feel a chill coming through to my lonely old bones. chat later, I'm running late again...(sorry for the quick hi-jack)
                            xoxoxox lisa
                            "There's a fine line between genius and madness. I've removed that line." -Super Genius/me

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                            • #54
                              JSwan: Don't care what I "sound" like or come across as, on this BB at this point. Those following slaughter know what I think & what I consider humane. Do your damned homework before addressing me. You'll might come across as knowing a little something.
                              "There's a fine line between genius and madness. I've removed that line." -Super Genius/me

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                              • #55
                                I think that when you set yourself out to be an advocate or an expert on this matter, you also become an ambassador. While you may find it entertaining to vent your spleen on public bulletin boards - you may want to keep this in mind.

                                Many of us who read this BB, and/or post here, are in a position to donate to the anti-slaughter cause, are interested in learning more about a particular issue, or may want to know more about the reasoning behind this issue. Those people may be interested in a reasoned, intellectual debate or discussion.

                                Those people are forming an opinion about the people who advocate for the end of slaughter and may be in a position of influence in their community or sport.

                                What sort of opinion do you think those people are forming about you - and thus - the people who are trying to stop slaughter? This may be the first exposure an individual has to this issue.

                                You don't know me either. I could have my own Foundation. I could be the person who advises a client of a worthy charity to give their money to. I could be influential in my community.

                                Truth is - you don't know. I don't start these threads - I respond to them and often I ask a lot of questions. I never get answers, or anyone interested in a dispassionate debate.

                                From my perspective, I don't read anything that would lead me to believe that people involved in stopping slaughter are reasonable people capable of being leaders and setting an example for others to follow. I read a lot of pie in the sky ideas, some really puerile name calling, and outright condemnation of anyone who does not immediately conform to the group philosophy.

                                When a person tries convince people to change their minds, or contribute to a cause - it's not done by beating them up.
                                Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                                Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                                -Rudyard Kipling

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                                • #56
                                  Jswan:
                                  Actually, I remember you from previous slaughter threads. Back in Dec. of 2005 (article-horsemeat contaminated) for one.
                                  You're still asking the same questions many have answered solidly, over & over, as if it's our job to waste breath on those of you to lazy to try and "get it".
                                  For those honestly interested I have all the time and manners in the world. Most would know the difference & where they fall. Crike, I once felt slaughter was needed until a person here pointed me into the right direction, and guess what?? I did some homework (all by myself using my own independent resources!!) and it took me only a few days to get it.
                                  Catch up, will you please?
                                  "There's a fine line between genius and madness. I've removed that line." -Super Genius/me

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                                  • #57
                                    For those honestly interested I have all the time and manners in the world.

                                    No, actually, I think you only have manners with those who happen to know or agree with you.

                                    Your nasty, bitchy style is a real turnoff, and does nothing to promote your "cause". You also happen to come off sounding like a nutcase zealot...

                                    "Crike, I once felt slaughter was needed until a person here pointed me into the right direction, and guess what?? I did some homework (all by myself using my own independent resources!!) and it took me only a few days to get it."

                                    What homework was that? Watching a few horse slaughter videos? Because quite frankly, the only "facts" you have presented on this thread "prove" that you are lacking some social skills, to say the least.

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                                    • #58
                                      "a cheap horse isn't good"

                                      says who? I bought 2 horses this fall for a combined $1500 and they are literally worth their weight in gold to our program. They won't be winning any beauty contests, but GOOD, they ARE.

                                      And in my local weekly paper this week, an ad...

                                      "Wanted: Slaughter Horses. Top Dollar Paid" ugh
                                      ****Indecision may or may not be my problem****

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                                      • #59
                                        You know what? Everytime someone comes around with sincere questions on the issue it ends up being a redundant arguement between those of us who've gone round & round about this for ages.
                                        I think it would be great if we could EACH have our own thread, a non-responsive info-thread representing EACH side. Each side could meet in private topics to discuss and alter their Topic Thread as they see fit WITHOUT commenting directly to said opposition.
                                        This way, all the bright minds out there could read & decide where they fall W/out wasting broadband OR each other's time.

                                        Yeah CHJOKER: I just watch a few videos here & there. Learned everything I know from a BB too.
                                        "There's a fine line between genius and madness. I've removed that line." -Super Genius/me

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                                        • #60
                                          You know what? Everytime someone comes around with sincere questions on the issue it ends up being a redundant arguement between those of us who've gone round & round about this for ages.

                                          That would be because the questions asked are always the same ones, and involve the same key issues, over and over and over again.

                                          NOT ONE of us thinks it is good or fun to have a horse slaughtered. I would NEVER send my horse to be butchered. Period. My horse is family to me, and much like I wouldn't eat Grandma when she passes, I won't eat my horse. But that is because of my emotional attachments to both my Grandma and my horse. I do, however, eat other types of living creatures (chicken and fish).


                                          Using the links on your page, I watched the horse slaughter videos (which are truly sad and do show horses in distress; that poor white horse, I felt so sorry for her, in particular) The videos were provided by a"Humane Farming" group, and THEIR website showed some really awful pictures/videos of pigs, cows, etc...being slaughtered. Interestingly, they were focused on all farm animals, and horses were not a highlighted "example" of abuse. Oh, they had a few pictures of skinned horses, but they didn't have posted the videos you had, and horses weren't the main feature.

                                          I have seen some videos on several other sites of chickens being slaughtered in the US that are stomach churning.

                                          I think slaughter of animals for meat will be around for a long time. Period. I think we have a duty to make it as humane and pain/stress free for ALL animals as possible. I think current practices in the US fail miserably in many areas regarding humane slaughter of meat producing animals. I think THAT is where the most attention should be focused.

                                          I think that banning horse slaughter does nothing to address the reason that these horrific videos exist in the first place. It just allows horse owners/lovers to feel warm and fuzzy that ***horses**** won't be slaughtered in the US (but they WILL be slaughtered in Canada and Mexico)

                                          Would you truly have a problem with slaughter if the horses went as peacefully as shown in the other video you provide on your site, showing two horses being euthanized?

                                          Because, it can be done. And, it should be done for ALL meat producing animals.

                                          If you eat meat, AT ALL, you are no better than anyone who eats horsemeat. FYI: The steak you just grilled was obtained in a very similar fashion to the way horses are slaughtered. Just because it is an animal YOU don't love doesn't mean it can't feel pain, fear, or suffer if slaughtered inhumanely.

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