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How were horses clipped pre clippers?/update thanks to COTH mag!

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  • How were horses clipped pre clippers?/update thanks to COTH mag!

    Assuming they were. Am reading historical fiction series. (Crimean war - author V.A. Stuart - "Hazard" series - great books). Mention was made (by English officer) of shaggy, unclipped Cossack? ponies. That made me stop and think. So horses were clipped (body/trace?) before having the luxury of power tools? Sheep were sheared, but what would they have used on horses?

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    Last edited by grayarabs; Jul. 4, 2010, 04:14 PM. Reason: new info

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    I know a 'trace clip' got its name because that is where the traces of a cart would sit. But I had never considered how they got it done...Great question.

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    • #3
      There were hand operated clippers, such as these:

      http://www.cyberattic.com/stores/pas...yberattic.html
      Originally posted by HuntrJumpr
      No matter what level of showing you're doing, you are required to have pants on.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ambar View Post
        There were hand operated clippers, such as these:

        http://www.cyberattic.com/stores/pas...yberattic.html
        OMG. Can you say hand cramp?

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        • #5
          A body clip? Good question...I'm guessing someone very talented with a razor. And a horse that stood very very still.

          Or maybe they shmeared a little honey on the areas they wanted clipped down and turned the horses loose with some goats?

          (I've seen goats bang tails before..albeit a tad messily and really short)
          You jump in the saddle,
          Hold onto the bridle!
          Jump in the line!
          ...Belefonte

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ambar View Post
            There were hand operated clippers, such as these:

            http://www.cyberattic.com/stores/pas...yberattic.html
            I have some of those and they aren't worth crap...and yes, hand cramp just before dying from starvation - it would takes weeks to clip an entire horse with something like that!

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            • #7
              Here's a poster showing how they powered the forerunner of the modern electric clipper:
              http://www.toy4education.com/p/pr/th...-machines.html

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ambar View Post
                There were hand operated clippers, such as these:

                http://www.cyberattic.com/stores/pas...yberattic.html
                We still have some of those around, that we used for bridle paths and neaten up face and legs, but not for body clipping.

                The earlier mechanical sheep shearing clippers were belt operated, first by humans, later by electric motors.

                I had heard some type of those could be used on horses, but we didn't clip bodies.

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                • #9
                  They had those singe tools that used a flame to singe off all the longer hairs. But I don't think it necessarily does a "close shave" - more just getting the beard and moustaches off, that sort of thing

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                  • #10
                    Shears like these were probably also used. These are primarily sheep shears, but they can be used to cut hair as well.

                    There are people who can shear a sheep quicker with a pair of these than with a power shearing outfit. Obviously their shears are razor sharp, which would also be necessary for cutting hair.

                    I have done some rough trimming with these and created more of a mess since I didn't have a really sharp shear, but I have no doubt that a skilled user could do a reasonable job on a trace clip.

                    http://www.ivorys.com/sheep_shearing_hand_shears.htm
                    "I couldn't fix your brakes, so I made your horn louder."

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                      #11
                      Imagine my surprise upon opening my latest COTH mag to find article, "Vintage Horse Care Manuals Reveal Attitudes From The Last Century". Photo with caption, "Before the dawn of electric clippers, author George Martin illustrated the power clipping machine in his 1895 manual..".

                      Photo shows one man hand "pedalling" a wheel that has a belt (like fan belt) attached to another smaller wheel above with a belt from it going to another smaller wheel from which a "cord" is attached to clippers held by another man clipping the horse's haunches.

                      Makes sense for late 19th century. Before that - dunno.

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                        #12
                        Foxy - don't know how I missed your post - but yes - that is what I am trying to describe.

                        FWIW it apparently was invented by Mr. Henry Knight from Isle of Wight.
                        Who it appeared died pennyless.......

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