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  • #41
    Originally posted by HenryisBlaisin' View Post
    Definitely a no from me--if it's a haul in each day deal, maybe, if the horse stays with you, but otherwise nope. But I would be absolutely clear why I'd say no. "I'm sorry, Mrs. Overstepper, but based on your emails I do not feel like I can trust you to follow my instructions for the care and feeding of my horse. I hope you are able to find Little Suzie a suitable mount to use for camp." Someone like that needs to know the reason lies squarely with her.
    I agree with this 110%
    "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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    • #42
      How old is this kid? Old enough to know that their mother's theories are off the wall and just plain wrong? Old enough to make the responsible correct decision for your horse?

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      • #43
        Originally posted by Foxtrot's View Post
        If the horse was strictly at camp, away from the lesee's home, I might think about it, if I cold talk to the camp manager first.
        Ehhhh, you think Mom isn't capable of telling camp manager she's paying the bills and camp manager will do it her way? Or camp manager is a long time horsemen over the age of 20 or so not overwhelmed by too much to do?

        When leasing, you always need to look at worst case scenarios with the horse not in your care. This isnt worth the risk for a week. We don't know DDs age but her mother raised her.
        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

        The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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        • #44
          You should have said something right after she made the double the feed comment.

          Either made it clear that the horse was not to have her feed doubled. And/or had a discussion about your mare and her health and weight.

          See if the Mom was listening or just going to still do her own thing. Then based on that discussion make your decision.

          Oh, also speak to the people the are running the camp and make it clear that, that is your horse, and only you make decisions regarding her welfare and feeding.

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          • #45
            It's not in the mother's place to make any decisions wrt your horse, especially changing your feeding program. Big fat NO from me as well. Sounds like a vet bill just waiting to happen.

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              #46
              Thanks everyone for the advice. I have decided to decline the lease as the majority of the board is right - this is a vet bill waiting to happen. I also discovered that the kids use their horse 4 hours per day which is quite frankly, not a good idea for a horse that has already proven to have some trouble maintaining weight and overall is not conditioned to a point where I would feel comfortable with that level of use.

              I feel bad for the kid but I keep reminding myself that this really isn't my problem nor is it worth the risk to my mare.

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              • #47
                If your trainer even says mom is weird, it's a good idea to back out. Sucks for the kid, but at least you won't have to pay some emergency vet bills.

                Also, like someone else asked- why can't the kid use one of mom's horses? Are they not suitable?

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                • #48
                  Probably the right decision since you had doubts from the beginning. In the end it is your decision and you have to feel comfortable with it. I've loaned my horses out to people, i.e National Rally, with good riders and management I know,
                  and they have always come home just fine. I did turn one request down as it was up country and during very hot weather in the middle of the summer. So, after consideration, you have made the right choice for your horse, who comes first.
                  Proud member of People Who Hate to Kill Wildlife clique

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                  • #49
                    The answer is a resounding no. Don't explain a thing, just "I don't feel this arrangement is best for my horse, thank you for your interest." Repeat til she hangs up.

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                    • #50
                      Gee, FOUR hours a day? I wouldn't like doing that to a really fit horse -- or myself. Our ranch gathers could last all day. We usually changed horses mid-day if possible. Even at a walking pace, trailing cattle through varied terrain -- it's a lot of work.

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                      • #51
                        Weird doesn't scribe that mother. She is deranged, ignorant, and needs to be kept away from all animals.

                        And a camp that uses the horses 4 hours a day? Not a well run, intelligently operated camp.

                        No, no, a thousand times No!

                        Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

                        Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

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                        • #52
                          Not your problem, not your kid. The mom needs to buy a horse for her kid.

                          And this is how kids learn to deal with things, like disappointment and real life. It happens. The kid can probably still go to camp and help out and learn. It would be a different experience, but still good. More kids, and parents, need to learn to roll with the punches and make the best of things. Too much snowplow parenting going on imo. (Said as a parent of 3 precioussessssss)

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                            #53
                            So they actually came to me about my mare because they've been trying to purchase a horse for the kid to replace the retired one for several months now and every horse they get winds up lame. Come to find out, the mom has a credit with a dealer who continues to send her horses that wind up lame after a couple weeks (whether or not they're lame from mom's facilities/riding, who knows). That was yet another red flag and why I backed out as the 3 strangles outbreaks I've observed have all originated from horses trafficked through dealers and having personally managed my horses through a surrounding strangles quarantine at a boarding facility, I do not want to potentially expose my mare to a property and trailer that's been trafficking dealer horses over the course of several months.

                            So there ended up being a dozen or so reasons not to do this with my mare. Still feel bad for the kid but my responsibility and priority is ultimately my horse at the end of the day.

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                            • #54
                              Originally posted by blitzkrieg View Post
                              So they actually came to me about my mare because they've been trying to purchase a horse for the kid to replace the retired one for several months now and every horse they get winds up lame. Come to find out, the mom has a credit with a dealer who continues to send her horses that wind up lame after a couple weeks (whether or not they're lame from mom's facilities/riding, who knows). That was yet another red flag and why I backed out as the 3 strangles outbreaks I've observed have all originated from horses trafficked through dealers and having personally managed my horses through a surrounding strangles quarantine at a boarding facility, I do not want to potentially expose my mare to a property and trailer that's been trafficking dealer horses over the course of several months.

                              So there ended up being a dozen or so reasons not to do this with my mare. Still feel bad for the kid but my responsibility and priority is ultimately my horse at the end of the day.
                              You are doing a good job taking care of your horse and your instincts are right on.

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