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  • Marketing a 2yo with issues - longish

    So marketing may not be the right word - my first question for the collective wisdom - is "is the horse sellable?"

    Here's the situation (sorry for sp/grammar errors - crying while I type). Have a fancy, bold, fun WB 2yo with allergies. Bred horse myself, intended as my one shot at greatness.

    My pastures are very healthy & surrounded by neighborhood landscaping & river bottom - and my little microclimate is such that even human friends with allergies notice a difference when they come over.

    Moved horse to facility in arid landscape, and difference is immediate. Also giving monthly allergy shots & feeding alfalfa.

    After trying to mow the bluegrass patches out of my pasture, I'm realizeing I just won't be able to keep horse at home and give decent qual of life. Don't have money to support/upkeep horseless farm-ette and pay board. And DH would not support that either.

    So, try to sell - or is this a giveaway only? If yes to try to sell, how to market? Price accordingly (cheap) and explain details in ad, or keep ad 100% and explain to those interested the managment needs?

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    Do you think the horse would have allergies if sent to a drier climate? Lots of WB lovers in the west.
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    • #3
      So sorry! What exactly is he allergic to? Have you tried supplements such as cough free? That stuff has worked wonders on my gelding with chronic environmental allergies.

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      • #4
        Can you manage his allergies? What does your vet think? What is he reacting to?
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        • #5
          Before you ship him off west, try to speak to your vet about narrowing down what he's allergic to. There might be something you can do about it.

          I wouldn't say he's a give-away necessarily. If he's nice enough, a lot of people are willing to do maintenance to make it work if they can. I know a bunch of ponies that are on a very expensive diet but the owners pay for it because they pack their kids around and win at the shows.

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          • #6
            Thank you for replies here are more details: horse has been tested, and is allergic to several types of grass, a couple of trees, mold, ect. Have tried CoughFree, spirulina, accupressure....but the biggest results (hives are almost non-exisitent) have been from the move to new surroundings. Vet doesn't want to do regular meds right now because of horse's age & growth, although Dex does help.

            We are actually located in the west, but in a breadbasket/ag type valley and surrounded by hay fields. Based on the results in the boarding facility, I'm thinking a drier part of my state or CA, AZ, ID, UT, ect.

            sptraining, I like to think I could find a loving home that would be willing to manage the allergies. So if I do an ad, do you all think it should written right up front about the extra needs, or discussed when someone calls? I can't say that I have ever seen an ad that has this kind of detail...but my goal is to find the best living situation. Just wondering if I would even get any calls by including all the details.

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            • #7
              So the horse is okay in a dry environment without meds? If so, the horse has plenty of value to buyers, especially since you are reasonably close to that climate.
              I might put in an ad that the horse is for sale to a good home in a dry climate due to allergies. Otherwise you would spend a lot of time explaining to potential buyers why having a nice pasture means they shouldnt get this horse!
              I would price him reasonably, reflecting his special needs, and hope that someone in the desert SW will be thrilled to get a higher quality horse than they ordinarily could afford.

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              • #8
                I had a nice little gelding who, at 10 yrs old, developed allergies. We tested, did the shots. Year One he could not be ridden from middle summer to the first frost. Year Two he could be ridden, but very lightly, during that time. Year Three he could be ridden throughout the summer normally. Year Five we weaned him off the shots and he has been without them the last eight years. Every horse is an individual, of course, and your mileage may vary.

                SO, maybe work with your vet to try to get a management program in place and give the shots some time?

                I think if he is a nice WB youngster, given your location, you would be able to sell him to a home in a good location for his allergies. I am so sorry you are dealing with this.
                Eileen
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                • #9
                  Well if you are in Oregon then you are in the midst of the worst place for allergies. You get the mold, grass seed pollen and dust all in one spot!

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                  • #10
                    Do you have a dry lot at home you could keep him on? Or build him one if you have too. Maybe if he is only on grass turn out for a limited amount of time he wouldn't be bothered as much.

                    Also, he is only 2. He just might grow out of a lot of these issues or actually build up a resistance if you give him time.

                    If you do have to sell him I would put his allergies in the ad. I'm in Florida and several years ago a friend had a horse who quit sweating. He was miserable, she was miserable, so she sold him to someone up North and got a good price for him since it was his only issue. She made it clear in the ad what his needs were and found him a home accordingly.

                    Good luck.

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                    • #11
                      Ive seen ads for horses with allergies and they were all fairly priced and the issue was noted in the ad. I dont horse people are turned off by that kind of thing if they live in a drier area. Make sure to screen buyers though-- someone could just say they meet those needs to try and make a deal, then that wont do your horse any good.
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                      • #12
                        Try acupuncture. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but it can work. It can't hurt.

                        It helped a friend of mine deal with a serious allergy to cats. Even being around someone who had cats, could trigger a reaction. She's OK, now. Her kids wanted a cat and she decided to try acupuncture. It worked - the family now has two indoor cats.

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                        • #13
                          Thanks all for the support and advice. EiRide, I had not idea the shots could keep improving, having just finished the acclimation year, I thought this was as good as it could get. I'll keep my fingers crossed about acupressure/puncture. 4th treatment is tomorrow...

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                            reply - longish

                            Hold your horse...er horses!! These allergies are VERY manageable at your own farm!!

                            I have a very large, very fancy, very awesome 9 year old TB with allergies that would make your horse look like the least allergic thing on the planet. He is allergic to EVERY single type of hay, all grasses, dust, mold, fungus, molasses, wheat, barley, quinoa, spelt, oak, spruce, pine, and birch...to name a few things. And these are all VERY positive on his blood tests. He was miserable, runny nose, dull coat, dull eyes, "brain fogged", lazy...just no luster. His fur would fall out if you practically looked at him the wrong way, all of his tack had to be wrapped in soft material so he wouldn't get rubs, everything got inflammed so easily...he was just a wreck. When we had his allergy panel done, we had NO idea what we were going to do. None. Zip. Here we had (quite literally) our horse of a lifetime, picked up for PENNIES and is now showing promise to do the USHJA derbies and be highly competitive. Yet he was missing that "piece". Well, we certainly found that piece. So we decided that we'd give everything we could a try. And here's what we've done thus far...

                            Our vet is very much a "there's a drug that will fix that!" kind of guy, so for him to make this recommendation was out of this world. He had us put our horse on organic (human grade) blue-green algae (2 TBS, 2x/day), Duralactin (1 scoop/day), and Probios probiotics (1 scoop 2x/day). We put him on organic, unprocessed beet pulp (no molasses, no sugar), crimped organic oats, organic rice bran, and 1/2 cup of human grade organic rice bran oil (2x/day). We use agave nectar (sugar from cacti) to sweeten his food and entice him to eat it. About 2 teaspoons/meal seems to do the trick. Agave is a low residue sugar, very uncommon to have an allergy to, and very sweet. We bought a hay steamer and steam every bale of hay he eats to combat the dust/mold/mildew (it's 1000 times better than plain old soaking and watering), and then double checked that he's not on any other supplements that he's allergic to. He also gets 6 TBS of fish oil (for the anti-inflammatory properties of the omega 3 fatty acids) per day and 20,000 units of vitamin D (also anti-inflammatory). The only "cheat" he is allowed is grazing on cut grass a few times a week. He only gets fresh (organic) fruits and veggies for treats.

                            Finding a program that worked for him was a MASSIVE amount of time, work, and frankly money. Thankfully we're at an amazing barn with a feeding policy that basically states "if your horse needs it, we'll provide it!", so all of the general dietary needs have been met by our farm. But we spend almost $300/month on his vitamins/supplements/medications because it's what's right for him. Could you do it for less? Probably. If we didn't buy Carlson's fish oil and vitamin D from Bronson's, organic agave nectar, organic rice bran oil, and organic Blue-Green Algae from Whole Foods, we could probably cut out almost $140 a month from the cost. But because his allergies are so severe, our vet was very insistent about being as chemical free as possible. He eats garlic instead of using regular fly spray and the spray we do use is 100% natural as well. We even go so far as to wash all of our horse things in hypoallergenic detergent and use organic, all natural shampoos to bathe him. I think if we could figure out a way to triple filter the barn water, that would be the next step in the process LOL!

                            It might be excessive, but I can't properly convey just how much of a difference it's made. He is SO shiny, bright, alert, energetic (in a non-lunatic sort of way!), happy, inquisitive, and he's moving and jumping 10 times better than before (which is pretty incredible considering that he was a 7 mover and a 10++ jumper before all this). His hair is all growing back, his seemingly chronic scurf is all but gone, he hasn't had hives or a runny nose in months...he's just a whole new animal.

                            There ARE options out there for your boy, even if you just remove the major allergens from his diet and look into the Algae/Duralactin/Probios combo (my vet calls this the "allergy" trifecta. According to him, they must ALL be used together, one or two of them separately just won't cut it. He's yet to find a horse it doesn't work on, but talk to your vet and see what they think!!). Don't feel that you need to give up so quickly, this can be managed! And your boy certainly sounds worth it.

                            If you really feel that you have to sell him, he is salable and not at a bargain basement price. There is no such thing as a perfect horse, there is always going to be "something" that you have to settle for when buying. If this is your boy's only "something" then someone who sees in him what you do will also be willing to handle it. You are not talking about a fused hock or OCD or an ugly bone spur. You are talking about something not only manageable, but very easy to deal with.

                            So give it some thought, but either way, best wishes!
                            Nine out of ten times, you'll get it wrong...but it's that tenth time that you get it right that makes all the difference.

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                            • #15
                              If the horse is a great prospect or proven, the allergies won't be a huge deal. There is a horse at my barn, push-button kid's show horse, who is allergic to everything. I believe they paid $50k-ish and he doesn't even have great conformation! But, he'll pack the kids around and win at the breed shows, so they take precautions and he's got a good life.

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                              • #16
                                Crzy,
                                As a rescue, we often write relatively long, detailed ads with enough information to have the potential owner have an idea that there is some sort of environmental need, and then we point them to our web page for each individual horse, and finally encourage them to call. The web page has a 'report card' which covers the most common things people wnat to know with a subjective 'grade' and more objective notes/explanations. of course, some don't read a word of it, but many do. it seems to work pretty well for us and gets us a lot of positive feedback from potentials that most of their q's were answered upfront.
                                AnnMarie Cross, Pres, Crosswinds Equine Rescue, cwer.org
                                Sidell IL (near Champ./UofI/Danville IL/IN state border)

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