Spinoff: Reining/cutting horses and color questions

[leilatigress]

Really? I didn't know that about the AQHA branding plain horses. Cool, learned something new today!

Umm, what brand do they use? A generic AQHA brand or does the first registered owner have to come up with a brand if they don't have one?

I have two AQHA, but never changed their papers over to my name since I'm not an AQHA member and just haven't gotten around to it yet. But both have identifying markings.

Its a random assigned brand always on the hip. I have seen the wagon wheel with 4 spokes and of course the broken arrow. One was a T that looked like it was sitting on a rocker, laying down B (looked like sunglasses), and a circle. There are hundreds of brands and they are not to be confused with the rancher's brand like the WW (running W). Most interesting horse branding I saw was a little Doc Bar daughter that was in the ranch circuit. She had been born on the King ranch and was branded, was over at the Lazy J and was branded for them and then had a square with a K in it. All in all the mare had some 4 or 5 brands on her total when she landed with us. I will have to dig up her pic since i had never personally seen a horse with that many brands.

[kypeep]

Hilldale Farm probably not a good place to use....the farm is going up for auction and nearly all the horses are being auctioned as well. I have heard rumour of a divorce, but I do not know if that is accurate or the reason behind the auctions.

As for cutting horses, some would make incredibly good English horses. I have one cutting gelding who could truly be a PSG dressage horse - wish I had owned him back in the day when I was riding dressage at that level. As it is, he is a fine cutting horse too. He's small as compared to the average WB or TB - all of 15.1; however, he rides 16.1 or better. I also have another 14.2 (on a tall day) mare that could make a fabulous pony hunter. However, she is a phenominal cutting horse, so that's where she will stay.

What I'm trying to say is that, yes, the cutting and reining lines can make great English horses. To do either discipline well, you're going to need a horse that can use its hind end and that has a nice reach through the shoulder.

By the way, for those of us who compete in cutting and/or reining, the 2 types of horses tend to have somewhat exclusive bloodlines from each other. The bloodlines converge more in the reined cowhorses but there I believe you would still find more cutting-oriented lines rather than reining.

[Bluey]

Its a random assigned brand always on the hip. I have seen the wagon wheel with 4 spokes and of course the broken arrow. One was a T that looked like it was sitting on a rocker, laying down B (looked like sunglasses), and a circle. There are hundreds of brands and they are not to be confused with the rancher's brand like the WW (running W). Most interesting horse branding I saw was a little Doc Bar daughter that was in the ranch circuit. She had been born on the King ranch and was branded, was over at the Lazy J and was branded for them and then had a square with a K in it. All in all the mare had some 4 or 5 brands on her total when she landed with us. I will have to dig up her pic since i had never personally seen a horse with that many brands.

I also never heard the AQHA having anything to do with any brands.
Brands are whatever the owner wants to put on a horse.
In many western states, you have to register the brand and an inspector has to check it for travel or sales.
In TX, you register with your county and someone in the next county may have your same brand.
We brand our horses with one of two brands, one registered in 1910 and another later, mostly with the later one, that is just one letter and then ask it be added to the papers.
The King ranch and other big breeders tend to brand foals with the mare's number on the left cheek, right below the tail, the sire's on the right side and their ranch brand on either hip or shoulder, sometimes also adding a year born number.

I would double check your story on the AQHA and brands.
It sure doesn't seem right with what I know.

[luvmytbs]

You may want to contact Hilldale Farm in trying to place these horses. They stand Nu Chex To Cash and a few of his sons, and specialize in breeding and training reiners. Charlie Hutton is incredibly well-connected in AQHA and NRHA. I'm sure he knows amateurs and pros looking for prospects.

We had (was adopted) a Hilldale mare. She is on our "Horses We've Placed" page under the Rescue tab, called Jolene. She has the Hilldale brand. I spoke with them when we first discovered the brand. They are selling their farm and dispersing their horses.
They apparently sold others to this breeder, but she was the only one with their brand.
Jolene recently gave birth to a buckskin foal.

Here is the brand:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...8/IMG_0932.jpg

None of the other horses have brands. I do not believe that AQHA requires branding, it's each breeder who chooses to do so.

[luvmytbs]

Hilldale Farm probably not a good place to use....the farm is going up for auction and nearly all the horses are being auctioned as well. I have heard rumour of a divorce, but I do not know if that is accurate or the reason behind the auctions.

Heard the same today from someone who knows the family. He believes even Nu Chex To Cash will be sold.

[MistyBlue]

Well either way they have/had some decent looking horses.

[Tamara in TN]

Yup, can't tell you how many adoption applications we received from folks who wanted to breed these guys.
And some stupid remarks when we told folks that the studs are now geldings.

ummm well...those are some really really remarkable animals there in both blood and talent...."cow" ability being one of the highest heritable traits in all of the horse world

that they were gelded is probably jaw dropping to more than a few people,me and my husband at the front of that list...having had Nu Chex to Cash/Hilldale Farm as a hay client

Tamara in TN

[luvmytbs]

that they were gelded is probably jaw dropping to more than a few people,me and my husband at the front of that list...having had Nu Chex to Cash/Hilldale Farm as a hay client

Tamara in TN

The breeder of these horses (not Hilldale) starved them for two years, a minimum of 20 dead. Obviously - since she also had them advertised for sale - they were not that desirable after all.

We took in the 48 that were left and on their way to a kill buyer.

While I agree they have some great bloodlines, it didn't prevent them from being neglected and then almost sent to Canada.

I am sure these bloodlines are not going to be extinct because we decided to geld the studs we took possession of.

[Tif_Ann]

That bay mare with no markings should have a brand on her hip if she was registered. ALL Bay & Sorrel horses of no markings are assigned a brand in the AQHA. My King P234 GD had the broken arrow on her left hip that matched her papers. She was also DNAed.

I didn't know this either - I have a sorrel mare with a star that I plan on registering by the end of the year (she'll be 5 in July so I'm taking advantage of the older horse registration special). I know I have to do the DNA because she's older but I thought that was pretty standard at this point. I didn't know about the branding - does the star mean I won't have to brand her?

[Beverley]

I also never heard the AQHA having anything to do with any brands.
Brands are whatever the owner wants to put on a horse.

Indeed, the AQHA has nothing to do with brands, this is incorrect information. I've owned quarter horses since the 60s, all had papers from AQHA, not one of them was branded.

If it happens that a horse is branded by a breeder or owner, then yes, the AQHA papers will note that brand as they note blazes, socks, etc- but AQHA does not assign or control any brands, in any way

As for rider and horse size, one of the greatest cutting mares of all time, 13.2 hands, was ridden by her 6 foot 1 inch owner. Yes, his feet hit the ground a lot, and he got lots of ribbing, but it worked out fine for him! My 5 yo is 14.2 hands, good cow horse/cutting/ reining lines, and I've worked cattle on her, but also started her under English saddle, done a little bit over fences but not much. If I had a kid handy she'd be cute in pony hunters, and is a decent enough mover that dressage could work too. She'll foxhunt one of these days too. Those good old quarter horse lines can do pretty much anything you want.

[Tamara in TN]

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The breeder of these horses (not Hilldale) starved them for two years, a minimum of 20 dead. Obviously - since she also had them advertised for sale - they were not that desirable after all.

or she was clueless and did not tell the right people....that happens too...I know

I am sure these bloodlines are not going to be extinct because we decided to geld the studs we took possession of.

I'm sure they won't
I hope you find homes for them that understand just what they were intended to be.

Tamara in TN

[Jennwarr84]

I have family that has been doing a lot of business with Hilldale lately, and Charlie Hutton said that Hilldale Farms was doing well. Their farm is listed as for sale on their website, but said that they were planning on keeping it afterall. They had been talking about downsizing.

[kypeep]

Is the Hilldale auction cancelled? Scroll down to see ad:
http://www.westkyrealestateandauction.com/auctions.html

[Jennwarr84]

Thanks for the link. My family wasn't aware of this.

[Tamara in TN]

Is the Hilldale auction cancelled? Scroll down to see ad:
http://www.westkyrealestateandauction.com/auctions.html

no, the farm and machinery will sell at Noon on that sat
and about 20-30 head of the longhorns and
then the horses will sell at 11 am Sunday morning
they are all on central time

Tamara in TN

[skrgirl]

Indeed, the AQHA has nothing to do with brands, this is incorrect information. I've owned quarter horses since the 60s, all had papers from AQHA, not one of them was branded.

If it happens that a horse is branded by a breeder or owner, then yes, the AQHA papers will note that brand as they note blazes, socks, etc- but AQHA does not assign or control any brands, in any way

As for rider and horse size, one of the greatest cutting mares of all time, 13.2 hands, was ridden by her 6 foot 1 inch owner. Yes, his feet hit the ground a lot, and he got lots of ribbing, but it worked out fine for him! My 5 yo is 14.2 hands, good cow horse/cutting/ reining lines, and I've worked cattle on her, but also started her under English saddle, done a little bit over fences but not much. If I had a kid handy she'd be cute in pony hunters, and is a decent enough mover that dressage could work too. She'll foxhunt one of these days too. Those good old quarter horse lines can do pretty much anything you want.

Yeah, AQHA does NOT brand unmarked QHs

[luvmytbs]

As for rider and horse size, one of the greatest cutting mares of all time, 13.2 hands, was ridden by her 6 foot 1 inch owner. Yes, his feet hit the ground a lot, and he got lots of ribbing,

LOL. I can so picture that.

Also wonderful to know that these guys can get into English activities.
One of our adopters took a mare and she is currently being trained for a little dressage. I must say she looks great with an english saddle.

[Bluey]

Indeed, the AQHA has nothing to do with brands, this is incorrect information. I've owned quarter horses since the 60s, all had papers from AQHA, not one of them was branded.

If it happens that a horse is branded by a breeder or owner, then yes, the AQHA papers will note that brand as they note blazes, socks, etc- but AQHA does not assign or control any brands, in any way

As for rider and horse size, one of the greatest cutting mares of all time, 13.2 hands, was ridden by her 6 foot 1 inch owner. Yes, his feet hit the ground a lot, and he got lots of ribbing, but it worked out fine for him! My 5 yo is 14.2 hands, good cow horse/cutting/ reining lines, and I've worked cattle on her, but also started her under English saddle, done a little bit over fences but not much. If I had a kid handy she'd be cute in pony hunters, and is a decent enough mover that dressage could work too. She'll foxhunt one of these days too. Those good old quarter horse lines can do pretty much anything you want.

I assume you are talking about Lynx Melody, a local horse, from a local ranch.
The owner was in a wheelchair, the rider was a professional trainer and was very tall and lanky.
Then, she did fill your leg well.
Here is a nice story about them:

http://www.aqha.com/association/pdf/...20codgells.pdf

I have also seen the clone and it is a pistol.

[kypeep]

Good ole Lynx Melody, they laughed when he bought her and then later cried when they saw him walking into the show pen on her (cuz they knew they were gonna get beat). Bluey, what are the plans for the clone? Will it show? I can't recall seeing anything lately about it.

[luvmytbs]

Colors:

Here are the five studs that are the sires of any of the babies

KY's Nu Chex To Cash:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ChexToCash.jpg

Mo Poco Leo:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1.../MoPocoLeo.jpg

KY's Magic Bar Chex:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...gicBarChex.jpg

KY's Command Finale:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...mandFinale.jpg

The fifth one I don't know the name of but here is a headshot:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...8/IMG_0973.jpg