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timber crew in a week: tranq the horses? tranq only if needed? or ?

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  • timber crew in a week: tranq the horses? tranq only if needed? or ?

    The timber folks are coming out in about a week to selectively cut some of the hardwood trees on my property. I expect it to take about 4 days, all day long. If you don't know what it is, this is a local timber company who responsibly harvests selective hardwood trees for use in a local sawmill. No bulldozers and no clear-cutting. Just a bunch of guys with chainsaws, a big log skidding machine, and visits by a tractor trailer.

    I have 6 horses here at the moment: 4 belgians, a quiet QH, and a younger arab. For the most part, they're sensible. But.. if you've ever heard a massive tree fall, you'll know it's LOUD. Add in the logging machinery and constant chainsaw noise, and it may be overwhelming.

    But the one field will be closed, for use for a staging area for logs. The other little area is off to the side but three MASSIVE oak trees are right along the fenceline which are are slated for removal. The barn is nestled along the woodline and is sure to have noise every day.

    Do I stall them? Do I need to keep ACE or another tranq on hand?

    Do I give them ACE before the crew arrives and keep them sedated each day? I never seem to need tranqs. Is it less effective if the horse is already worked up, i.e. does it need to be given before the crew arrives each day?

    I've got someone willing to keep 2 of them, but she can't keep any more. Is it worth the expense to see if someone will board the other 4 for a week? I am not worried about a tree falling on them. I am spending my spare time imagining all sorts of possible bad things that could happen, like refusing to eat all day. None of them are prone to stress colic or freaking out & injuring themselves. Any chance it might affect one of them psychologically, for example making them scared of the barn, if I lock them in the barn surrounded by terrifying noises?

    What do you think? I am probably worrying too much, aren't i? Thanks in advance for your input.
    Veterinarians for Equine Welfare

  • #2
    I would say yes keep Ace /other on hand. I would imagine they will get use to it fairly quickly and maybe even by day 2 if they are normally fairly relaxed and sensible horses.

    Ace does work better before they get worked up. Doing the injection IM (intermuscular) will last longer but also slower to take affect then IV.

    As for whether to sedate or not ... your call but might not hurt to do it the first morning and see how it goes.

    P.
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    • #3
      Don't stress. Can you have the horses somewhere that they can see what all the noise is about? I find that if they can see what is making the noise, they'll calm down fast.
      I have crops right next to my horse paddocks. Every now and then they are sprayed by helicopter, hovering right over the paddocks and moving back and forth. After an hour or so, they stop worrying and get on with eating.
      If you tranq them, they are more likely to do thiemselves an injury if they do start to gallop around.
      If you stress lots, they are also more likely to stress and run around.

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      • #4
        I vote for keep 'em home.
        Keep 'em in. Preferably with a loud radio on in the barn.
        Earplugs, and resurpine.

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        • #5
          I think you are worrying too much, lots. Gosh, I was riding across the road two days ago, the neighbor was falling two large maples right next to the ring. They made a very large crash when they came down. We run our chainsaw right in teh pasture next to them and they've never cared. We just had both properties on each side of us were logged, not a care in teh world.

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          • #6
            I'm one that votes for having them in a big safe paddock where they can see what's making the noise, and have room to move around. I think shutting them in would worry them more if they can't see what's making that big WHOMP noise as the trees hit the ground.
            And Ace isn't a very reliable tranq anyway in stressful situations.

            The woods across the road from me got clear cut a while back and after the first few minutes of trotting around the pasture with heads and tails in the air, my horses lost interest in the proceedings and went back to eating grass.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by phoebetrainer View Post
              I have crops right next to my horse paddocks. Every now and then they are sprayed by helicopter, hovering right over the paddocks and moving back and forth. After an hour or so, they stop worrying .
              Sprayed? What's getting sprayed on the crops? Why are helicopters flying over these crops? Just what kind of crops are these? Heh heh heh.
              Airborne? Oh. Yes, he can take a joke. Once. After that, the joke's on you.

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              • #8
                My guys are exposed to cutting every once in awhile due to storm damages, selective cutting, etc. Same situation as you... guys, chainsaws, tractors, and the big boom.

                I leave mine out. Including my neurotic-afraid of his own shadow-appy gelding. If he can see it, he is OK. That also goes for the firing range the nieghbor set up 500 feet from the paddock. If he can see him, he settles.

                I also second keeping Ace on hand and ear plugs. I have a few of those squishy cat toys on hand just in case. You could also start your crew on Calm and Cool (valerian, don't use it if you show) a few days in advance. May take the edge off.
                Gone gaited....

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                • #9
                  We had about 20+ trees cut around our property (all within close proximity of our barn) and the horses were fine. Oddly enough, they showed up and started cutting before expected, and I was gone for a while, so I never had a chance to stall the horses. But when I arrived home, the horses were fine. They said they ran a little bit with the sound of the first tree, but that was all.

                  I doubt it is much to worry about unless you are cutting very close to where they are, and then you will want to stall them just in case of a tree gone astray.

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                  • #10
                    They'll be fine. It's amazing how quickly they acclimate to the things we think will send them over the edge, yet a chipmunk in the riding ring will flip them out.
                    Mine have had to deal with helicopters, hot air balloons, and recently, the tree man removing damaged trees every time another storm rolls through. Bucket truck, chainsaws, chippers, blower, you name it. They either ignore him or stand at the fenceline and watch. Even falling trees no longer scare them.

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                    • #11
                      I'd see how they do first. They might be a tad up and spooky the first day, but they should get used to it rather quickly.
                      Even my late "spooked at everything" mare had absolutely no issues about logging being done. Or even ledge being blasted. Quite the opposite...she was turned out and jumpd the first time a blast went off or a tree fell and after that she amused herself for days standing at the fence closest to the action watching the machines and watching the trees crash down.
                      And this is a horse that spooked out of her skin if I parked the wheelbarrow in a new spot.

                      The two horses I have now are on the sensible side and are also more interested in watching the action that being afraid of it.

                      Jus watch your own reactions...if you're around them and a nervous wreck they'll pick up on that.

                      But falling trees and chainsaws shouldn't freak a horse out after a short time.

                      And as someone stated, Ace probably wouldn't work anyways. Better to leave them wide awake and let them sort it out. Think of it as a free despooking clinic.
                      You jump in the saddle,
                      Hold onto the bridle!
                      Jump in the line!
                      ...Belefonte

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                      • #12
                        Any time I drop a tree anywhere near the pastures, we put the horses in their stalls. Not because they get worked up, but thet always come right up to the fence where I'm working and I worry that the tree may go a weird way. For some reason they are fascinated by chainsaws and trees dropping.
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                        • #13
                          LOL...isn't that the truth Tom? When I was having fencing redone and some grading done a few weeks ago I had to move the portable panels the horses were in way the heck over because both were trying like heck to get the attention of the back hoe driver or the guys with the chainsaws. I think they were hoping for treats, but both were plastered to the panels as close to the action as possible.
                          You jump in the saddle,
                          Hold onto the bridle!
                          Jump in the line!
                          ...Belefonte

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                          • #14
                            Another in the camp that says let them watch and they'll be fine as long as you are! They were doing tree work next door to the barn recently and the horses were very interested in the men climbing way up and not too concerned when large branches started falling. I actually think they enjoyed it as it provided a new source of entertainment.

                            I've known some ponies (isn't it always the ponies? lol) who love to watch construction vehicles coming and going. Utterly fascinated by them!

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                            • #15
                              I think they'll be fine once they see what the heck is going on. You can keep a tranq on hand if something happens (though Ace might not work if they're already being silly - talk to your vet)

                              I'm disappointed they're not going to use mules, oxen or horse to pull those selectively cut logs! That would be so cool.

                              My guys have seen pretty much everything including a helicopter landing in a pasture, marine corps ordnance and flares going off, a crash landing of a light airplane, firecrackers, trees falling, gunfire, etc.

                              Usually if there is any reaction it's a spook, a few trot or canter steps, turn out, look, snort, graze.

                              They seem to be more upset about things they can't see more than what they can see.

                              Hope everything goes well - good luck!
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                              Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                              -Rudyard Kipling

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                              • #16
                                I had a timber company on my last place spend two full days taking out BIG hardwood trees.

                                The horses were in the nearby pasture. No stalls available. First tree, they spooked, ran a bit, and stopped within a minute. Second tree, they stopped within 30 seconds. Third tree, they spooked and jumped a few strides. Fourth tree, they were trying to figure it out. By the time we were up to ten, they just kept grazing. These were massive, crashing trees.

                                At no point did they looked blind panicked. At no point did I wish for a sedative. They were fine, given a chance to react to it and then realize it wasn't doing anything but making noise.

                                It's amazing what horses can get used to quickly. I'm reminded of a story in one of Podhajsky's books where they were filming the movie about the Spanish Riding School's adventures in WW2. They were at the "evacuating the SRS at night while Vienna is being bombed" scene. Take one, with Lipizzaners being led out on the double while (fake) bombs exploded nearby. The horses were appropriately snorty and jumpy, although trusted their people. But of course, nothing ever goes right in a movie on take one; some person or detail will be out of place. Take two, horses decidedly less snorty. By the time they got a few takes in, the Lipizzaners were at the "ho-hum, we're evacuating the stable during another bombing raid" phase, and the director was fretting because they WEREN'T looking "realistic" and concerned about the bombs.

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                                • #17
                                  Just put them where they can watch and not try to get in the truck with the guys. They are so darn nosy they will try to run a chainsaw within 30 minutes of the crew's arrival, AND they steal lunches.

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                                  • #18
                                    They'll be fine. They'll spook, spin and look, or not... They might just be so curious as to be a problem! My two hot TB aged geldings find it endlessly amusing when the Christmas tree farm guy does tractor work or trims or uses his chain saw. Sure, they "spook" at first, but then quickly settle in to alternately supervising his activities or eating. They share a fenceline, so no getting away from it all.

                                    Let them be horses. I think we become so concerned with their safety we forget that they want and need to see what is happening.
                                    Proud member of the "Don't rush to kill wildlife" clique!

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                                    • #19
                                      They'll most likely be fine, as others have said.
                                      My guys spent last summer fascinated by first, the tree guys and then the excavator.
                                      I think they were disappointed when the work was finished...
                                      "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                                      ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                                      • #20
                                        I agree with "leave them out where they have room to groove and can see (but not get in the middle of) what's going on."

                                        I live on my DH's great-grandfather's farm. Over the past weeks, the folks who lease our fields have been on a mission to get rid of all the old barns and outbuildings that have been hanging (sometimes literally ) around for a hundred years. Trees grow up around these old buildings and they're a hazard.

                                        So our farmers brought over a trackhoe, dug a big hole, pushed over all the trees and the buildings they surrounded, dropped them in, and filled the holes again.

                                        Horses could not have cared less.
                                        I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

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