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  • #61
    Well when I see those people on their roofs with houses all around them .....I have to wonder ...wasn't there ONE SINGLE NEIGHBOR who could have helped get that person out? Obviously the people in the surrounding houses are gone - and yes maybe some died but certainly not all.

    And if it comes to fitting people into vehicles to evacuate - I'll be the first person to pull someone's dog out (including my own) to make room for another human being - including a crying baby.

    We even have a rule here on our farm. Horses get hurt before people do. No one is supposed to take any risky chances on getting hurt just to keep a horse from getting hurt. Consider that without humans the animals certainly might not survive.

    And my husband will be the first to wave his hand and attest to the fact that I put 1000% of my energies into the care of all my 20+ horses/ponies, Scotties, barn cats and one African Gray - but in a natural disaster - they do not come before people. EVER.
    Summit Sporthorses Ltd. Inc.
    "Breeding Competition Partners & Lifelong Friends"

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    • #62
      Okay, I GUESS that people are more important, but I would NEVER leave my animals behind. But I don't have animals flipping me off on the way to work and honking the second the light turns green, or backstabbing, trying to steal money and scam other people. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, yeah that's right, NEVER.

      I would have stayed there. I could not have left the animal there to die on top of a roof, to be baked by the sun there all alone, or to run under a bus wheel. I would not have went anywhere. Yes, it would be like Noah's Ark if I ever had to evacuate, but then sobeit. Somehow I would find a way. Of course if I HAD to choose between a child and an animal, then it would be the child, I don't know if the same holds true for all adults though. But, I don't see any circumstance where that has to happen. They could have let the dog go with the owner.

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      • #63
        Just curious - and if you died of dehydration and/or starvation and these animals lived - what exactly do you think would happen to them in a disaster like this?
        Summit Sporthorses Ltd. Inc.
        "Breeding Competition Partners & Lifelong Friends"

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        • #64
          I have not read the whole thing, but what everyone (animals and people) need now is a little less talk and a lot more action.

          I for one am going to forego a clinic or a horse show or a new bridle, etc, etc and send that money to the aid of those animals.

          With congress appropriating 10 billion I think the people will get help. I am not sure if any of the 10 billion will go to direct help for animals.

          I gave my money to the AMVF.

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          • #65
            I would DIE for my animals. I would starve so they could eat and go without medical attention so they could have it. I could never leave them alone to starve or drown.

            Why? Because when I purchased them, I made them a promise to always look after them. They did not ask to be domesticated. I did that to them. For that they deserve nothing less than my protection and guardianship.

            I could never leave them behind, they have been there for me through some of the most horrific times in my life.

            That being said, I am not in the situation. I am sitting behind a computer in Canada at work. I am certain these people did not WANT to have to make this decision and I am sitting here thankful that I have not had to make that decision, and praying that it is one I will never have to face.

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            • #66
              you know, I am a known Hard ass, & I gotta tell you I was hysterical & crying when I saw the whole dog/bus thing-as were my children, they were flabbergasted at that as well! The dog was treated as if it were a piece of trash...
              There is NO WAY i would leave my dogs. Some of my dogs are older than my own children. I couldn't do it. I would send my kids off with my hubby & HOPE & PRAY someone would come who could take me & my dogs. I cant imagine what those poor people are feeling leaving their beloved 4 legged children behind, my God & the poor dogs/cats what are they thinking & feeling?
              . I couldn't do it. I am sorry for the hurt & Pain all those owners are feeling. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP THE DOGS/CATS??
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              • #67
                I don't think that any of us are critical of the folks who are at ground zero getting people off of rooftops. What all of those people are going through--whether they were ordered in there to help or people who had no way to get out in time--is not able to be comprehended by those of us sitting here typing in a safe, comfortable place. It is gut-wrenching to watch, but muchless so than to have to endure.

                Yes, mandatory should be what it says it is; however, where was the help for those with no means, physical or finacial, to get out?

                Three cheers for Anderson Cooper calling that little blonde politician on the carpet for her gratuitous praise! Every time the FEMA director is interviewed I just want to be able to reach through the tv screen and smack him!!

                Do any of you know where and how we can go about getting trained to help in such disasters? Many of us would go to help, but the organizations in charge don't want well-meaning but semi-clueless people getting in the way and causing more logistical problems than are already there. All of us commenting on this topic are concerned, caring folks. We're not here whining about gas lack of/cost of gas to get to a show or asking for help in getting lead changes. How can we get "trained" so that in the future we can really help?

                And , yes, it is rather stupid to allow that many people to inhabit a city that physically is an accident waiting to happen.

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                • #68
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ise@ssl:
                  Well these questions about putting the National Guard on alert should be directed to the GOVERNORS of each state. They can put them on alert at any time or deploy them to certain areas. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                  Agreed.

                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As far as the Hospital ships - they take days to move around Poltroon and the reason they stay in harbor is so that they aren't in harms way and can be deployed. If you put them out at sea - they would have to keep moving away from the storm. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Well sure, but they didn't leave port in VA until YESTERDAY. By contrast, various international agencies had food and water in Banda Aceh in two days.

                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
                  But again - the New Orleans area and the Governor of LA exhaled too soon before they took the time to get feedback on not only the storm damage but the storm surge affect on the levies.
                  </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Absolutely. We in the US have become way too complacent. "We're America. Bad things don't/can't happen here." Well, for the most part they don't but that's not because of some magical godly shield, it's because we're skilled and organized and we do the work to get things done. They don't just do themselves. But no one was prepared to face the heat for overresponding - not local governments and not FEMA.
                  If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                  • #69
                    Okay, I went out for a break at work and thought about this some more. Um, there are people ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES who are offering refuge for these people AND THEIR ANIMALS. There is no reason for the dog to have been left behind. You have the COTH convoy, the HSUS, the ASPCA, PETA, the Louisiana Equine Counsel, etc., etc., etc. The Humane Society of MO is there now, they are bringing animals back, and I have offered foster to them also. But, if the damn dog got baked on the roof, then how can they bring that one back? I have offer to take in three equines and some cats myself here only 9 hours from there. The dog should have been allowed with the people. I am sure that the HSUS is there, and could have taken this dog in. I am wondering, who do I contact. For now, I am contacting FEMA. If anyone has any other suggestions, please advise. Yes, what the people are going through is really one of the most horrible things I have watched and I have sent money to the Red Cross and offered a home for some people - but it is equally as horrible for the animals. They feel the same emotions and pain as we do. By they way, we are also mammals.

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                    • #70
                      Sorry I meant the AVMF

                      The American Veterinary Medical Foundation

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                      • #71
                        It has frequently been my experience that one NEVER fully knows how one would react in a situation until one is <span class="ev_code_RED">actually faced with that situation. </span> All the TV broadcasts, up to the hour, minute or whatever, could NEVER fully detail what it must be like for any one person who is there NOW, actually living in such conditions. I've been watching the major news channels the past 3 days, and the feeling of sadness and helplessness I feel, for the people AND the animals--it is overwhelming.

                        I don't really know how I'd react to being trapped in a dying city with my husband, daughter and pets. Three days, no drinking water, no food. Looters and gangs and shots going off, burning buildings and bodies and offal floating past in stinking water. The oppressive heat. People trapped on roofs, along with their children, yelling for help. And YES, the animals. You can't tell me 'they don't know' when they've been left on the roof when rescue arrives, or swept to the side when the bus leaves with their family. Oh, they know.

                        If there was any conceiveable way, I'd clean out the bank account (which currently shows $.41!) gas up the Durango (at $3.15@gal) and fill up the back with water and pet food, blankets and OTC meds and <span class="ev_code_RED">GO</span>. Surely every little bit would help?

                        I am haunted by the picture of the dog left behind while it's little person screams for it, and the pigs scrambling to get on the roof--and the other small unimaginable horrors that were the last minutes for so many small lives. God must personally gather the souls of those abandoned animal-souls to his heart. When I pray for the thousands suffering in NO, I pray hard for the animals too.

                        But I guess, to put it in perspective, it is always the small and weak who suffer in these calamities. War, and famine, drought and flood. We who see animals as damn-near-equal-to-most-and-better-than-some-humans find it a depressing, heartbreaking truth--it is always those who are 'less' who suffer more. I'm not talking about color or ethnicity (although the argument could fit).

                        So, come payday, I'm sending my small bit of extra money to the animal rescues, who will be taking on those fur-sons who made it out alive. I think Noah's Ark is one that is already in the area and doing what they can. Here at work we have started a contribution envelope to buy cases of water, and non-perishables that will be sent out by BIG truck tomorrow.
                        I do what I can, and give the rest to my God.

                        I don't blame those folks who stayed behind. Who knows but what I would have had no way to leave, like so many of them. 2-3 days warning didn't change that fact for many people. A week--maybe. But if you are on foot and poor, getting yourself--much less a family--even 50 miles to a place where you'd be safe from a killer storm would be HARD if not impossible. I think those who stayed who had the ability to leave did so with evil intent. Everybody else had no choise.

                        As usual, just my infrequently expressed opinion.

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                        • #72
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ise@ssl:
                          As far as the Hospital ships - they take days to move around Poltroon and the reason they stay in harbor is so that they aren't in harms way and can be deployed. If you put them out at sea - they would have to keep moving away from the storm. As the FACTS show - this storm took a very complicated route after it hit the east coast of Fla and even up to the the last few hours - the location where the eye would come on shore in the gulf was not what they expected. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          I'll have to look around a bit to find the right article (I'll add the link when I do), but I know I read something yesterday about how FEMA *used* to do just that as a "just in case" measure. In this case, for instance, a ship might have been sent from Baltimore or Norfolk on Saturday or Sunday -- BEFORE the hurricane hit -- and would hang out down in Florida or somewhere nearby, but out of the path of the storm. It'd wait til it was safe, and then head in as close as it could get.

                          If that had been done in this case, the ships could have been there Tuesday. Not a week later.

                          I'll go find the article...

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                          • #73
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Erin:
                            Most emergency shelters WON'T allow evacuees to bring pets with them. I'm not entirely sure why... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            Didn't read all 4 pages so maybe someone answered - they can't because of other evacuees who are severely allergic. Leaving the animals out GETS to me, too and I could not understand it, then an old college friend of mine pointed out that his and his childrens allergies are so severe that he cannot even enter my house because of the cat. I went once with him to the neatest secondhand bookstore. The owner had a Chow that stayed in the store with her, it's a large store with multiple levels. My friend is so allergic that he had to leave the store within minutes. He also freaked out when airlines allowed very small pets to travel in the cabin - he has to leave the plane as his allergies result in severe asthma.

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                              • #75
                                Grr. Of course, I can't find the darn thing. I thought it was in this article, but it's not... but the article is still good reading anyway:

                                "Disaster in the Making" in the Independent Weekly

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                                • #76
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by incentive:
                                  Do any of you know where and how we can go about getting trained to help in such disasters? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Your wish is my command.

                                  http://www.virginiacorps.org/Citizen...certChoose.cfm

                                  I picked the one for VA since that's your state, but other states offer CERT training also. The VA site has a FEMA link on the left-hand side for online training.

                                  Anne

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                                  • #77
                                    Any if anyone gets an update on the little white dog, PLEASE post it. Like all of you I can't get it out of my mind.

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                                    • #78
                                      Here is a lucky little guy.
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                                      \"I have lived my life-it is nearly done-.I have played the game all round;But I freely admit that the best of my fun I owe it to Horse and Hound\".

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                                      • #79
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Anne FS:
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by incentive:
                                        Do any of you know where and how we can go about getting trained to help in such disasters? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Your wish is my command.

                                        http://www.virginiacorps.org/Citizen...certChoose.cfm

                                        I picked the one for VA since that's your state, but other states offer CERT training also. The VA site has a FEMA link on the left-hand side for online training.

                                        Anne </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Thanks Anne. http://www.training.fema.gov/ for the rest of us...
                                        If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                                        • #80
                                          So if we want to donate towards an animal shelter or ASPCA which one? Where? Does anyone have any contact info?
                                          Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission.
                                          -Eleanor Roosevelt-

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