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  • #41
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kerrison:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">. But in no situation in my mind does any animal life EVER come before any human life. Ever. Ever. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    My own personal 2cents:

    I would say that the love I have for my animals is equal to the love I have for the members of my family. My cat and my horses are the most important things in my life. I would do ANYTHING for them, including jumping infront of a speeding bus to save them.

    I live in a hurricane prone area and we have an evacuation route planned - including my cat. (the horses are far enough away from storm-surge or main damage) We throw an overnight bag in the car, grab the cat, cat litter and cat food and drive like a bat out of hell. We have family up north, I have friends out west... we get in the car and take the ENTIRE family to safety-- that includes the cat.

    He is as much family as our human members of the family.

    From a spiritual standpoint, to me, a life is a life and the vessel that it comes in is irrelevant. The spirit contained within is what is of value. And I know that my animals have offered me love and support during times where my family has caused me nothing but strife. The unconditional love and loyalty offered me by my animals is something I would NEVER EVER forget during a time of crisis.


    I respect your right to feel that way, RoyalT, but man I hope you never farm-sit for me.

    -Kerry </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Amen, sister.

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    • #42
      I agree that you can't expect the overwhelmed rescue workers to even give a second thought about pets in this situation. There are tens of thousands of PEOPLE in danger of dying.

      It breaks my heart to think about both the people and the animals that are suffering. No one in American should have to struggle for survival like it is a third world country.

      I would NEVER expect someone that is farm sitting for me to put my animals welfare before their own. I would not want them to risk their life for my animals. My horses are like my children but I couldn't live with myself if someone died trying to save them. My heart would ache indescribably if something happened to my horses but it's not worth someone else dying. I might put my life at risk to save them but would not want anyone else doing that.

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      • #43
        No one sitting on a computer right now reading the forums can really say how they would feel. We are not there...we don't know how we would react...what we would do exactly. Since 9/11, I have had not only a plan for my home and "house" pets, but also our horses.

        As with my job in the emergency medical / first responder field, we have many different situations that we take into consideration - fires, floods, terrorist attacks, etc. We all can learn from this. If you dont have a plan, make one now! Organize a "helping hands" plan with your friends, family and neighbors. For example, if you do not have a trailer, but the farm down the road does, work out a plan where they will come over and move your horses as needed in an emergency situation. Keep contacts with farms, kennels and relatives out of the 50 mile area surrounding your home. If something does happen, you have places to go..both you and your animals that is out of the center of the "danger area." Sometimes, there is little warning when a disaster strikes..times when you do not have the time to put a complete plan into action. For cases like this, the best thing is to HAVE DONE your homework. Know the land that surrounds your immediate area. For example, in areas that are known to have tornadoes, which can hit randomly and quick, know where you and your animals can go - highway overpasses, storm shelters, caves, tunnels, etc.

        What I have found works best when making a plan up for disasters, read up on HUMAN plans. There are many references that have good plans for people. Take that info. and adapt it to fit your needs...including horses and other pets. Work with your local police, fire and EMS. Planning and teamwork are the key to survival in disasterous situations. Make sure that you think about all the "what if's" when you are making your plan. This way, as with the World Trade Center tragedy, you don't look back and ask yourself "what if".

        We cannot take back what happened, save those who have already died, help the animals that are already lost....but we can plan for the future.

        Godspeed to all those who are on their way to the "scene"....and pray those angels are riding along on those horses in the south who have been left alone.
        \"My Therapist Accepts Cash, Credit or Carrots\"

        Member of the \"Burn Down The Slaughterhouses Clique\"

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        • #44
          There WAS a mandatory evacuation... but apparently "mandatory" doesn't really mean mandatory. They cannot force people to leave. There are always people who decide to ride out the storm, for whatever reason... sometimes they can't get out, sometimes they feel they have to stay behind to take care of animals they can't evacuate, sometimes they just don't want to leave.

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          • #45
            IMO, mandatory should mean there is help for the people that CAN'T evacuate because of health or financial reasons. How can you evacuate when you have no car and maybe $20 left from your last paycheck? They should have had those buses there BEFORE the storm to help people get out.

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            • #46
              Duffy, I saw that man and his 3 dogs this morning on the Today show. He said how he kept apologising to them the whole time in the water, for making them swim, that he kept talking to them the whole time. They all looked beyond tired. One had a wound on his hind leg. Then the man buried his face into one dog's neck and started to cry. I lost it then. It hit home. Oh God, I hope there is NEVER a time in my life where I have to make the choices or decisions these people had to make.

              DJH, my boyfriend and I saw that woman and her daughter too. Has anyone heard about them? That child's face, looking up at her Mom, fully trusting her choices. I can't imagine how they could have survived on the shrimp boat, but I've been thinking of them for days!
              WestWind Farms
              Love means attention, which means looking after the things we love. We call this stable management.
              - George H. Morris

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              • #47
                The people on the shrimp boat were fine.

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                • #48
                  Really Erin? That would be such a little source of light for me right now, to see the story that they are safe. I swear, it has been bothering me for days.
                  "I reject your reality and substitute my own" Adam Savage--Mythbusters
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                  • #49
                    Ishi, that TV segment was the big turning point for me. I sobbed because I could recognize those choices.

                    For those on the list that are concerned that we're not doing the right thing for those people. Remember that the resuce workers are experiencing all the horrible things we see on the news on a very personal level -- and many times over what we see. The military, national guard, red cross and individuals will experience things no one should see once in their life over and over again. Our government and our military will make mistakes, but every single one of the people involved cares and is trying to do the right thing in a situation where decisions are impacted by things we can't imagine.

                    From here, in my nice airconditioned home, I can second guess every decision our president, and all his supporting officials are making. But, I recognize that I don't know all the factors influencing their decisions. They have my support.

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                    • #50
                      Well, unless something has happened to them since the storm... which is certainly a possibility.

                      I didn't see the intial story about them, but apparently whichever network aired it (CNN?), they got TONS of emails and calls from people about it. I saw a piece following up on them on Monday night, maybe? And they apparently didn't have any trouble.

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                      • #51
                        I just got a note on a FLorida e-mail list,That they are rounding up animals and Killing them.

                        I have asked them to confirm where that info came from and to provide a link.
                        \"I have lived my life-it is nearly done-.I have played the game all round;But I freely admit that the best of my fun I owe it to Horse and Hound\".

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                        • #52
                          Does anyone wonder why we're getting so much news, particularly pictures, OUT of the area, and it seems to be so difficult to get aid (water and food) IN? Are the news copter pilots more foolhardy about the snipers than the rescue copter pilots? Are the rescue copters more at risk just because they are carrying supplies? How can WE know about the people at the convention center but those on the ground in the area don't know about them? What is the role of the news people in this? Are they not getting their information where it's needed most, but instead getting it where the $$ comes from?

                          I'm not criticizing anyone, I'm just completely stumped about this situation. I just don't get it.
                          "One person's cowboy is another person's blooming idiot" -- katarine

                          Spay and neuter. Please.

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                          • #53
                            Well, monstrpony, I will be blunt and criticize. If the news crews can get in, why can relief efforts! It seems to me that no one has a plan. And for all our hurricanes (and we do have some experience here), people sent stuff, not money. These people have no stuff and there's no place down there to buy it. Here in central/eastern NC we are taking the bull by the horns and going to send the usual 'stuff'. A vet is organizing a trip for help the animals and my BO is planning to go. And a local radio station is doing the usual 'fill a truck and send it'.

                            PS - If anyone in the Raleigh area has extra buckets, halters, dog crates, etc., bring it to Summerfield and we'll see that it gets there.
                            'Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.'
                            - Pablo Picasso

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                            • #54
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DJH (used to be Sparkie):
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I would say that the love I have for my animals is equal to the love I have for the members of my family. My cat and my horses are the most important things in my life. I would do ANYTHING for them, including jumping infront of a speeding bus to save them.

                              I live in a hurricane prone area and we have an evacuation route planned - including my cat. (the horses are far enough away from storm-surge or main damage) We throw an overnight bag in the car, grab the cat, cat litter and cat food and drive like a bat out of hell. We have family up north, I have friends out west... we get in the car and take the ENTIRE family to safety-- that includes the cat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


                              Well here is a major difference between you and many of the people that have been vicitmized by this storm. You have a plan because you care about the lives entrusted to your care.

                              [...]

                              I understand that there were some truly indigent people living in New Orleans, but some were just foolish that stayed. I am so sad that I couldn't or their local government couldn't override the people's bad judgemnent and just get them out of there. They had like what 3 days warning?

                              [...]

                              I am sad for the animals, but the human tragedy is SO overwhelming. (Part of that is the pain of the loss of pets) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              Well, another major difference between you and many of the victims is that you have:
                              - a car
                              - friends outside the city
                              - a credit card

                              Many of the people who stayed behind had none of those things, and although it was "Mandatory", no transport or assistance was provided. By "Mandatory" what they meant was that everyone should get in their cars and join the gridlock on the roads out of town.

                              I don't live in the SE and I'm not an emergency worker, but even I knew that this scenario was predicted for New Orleans. FEMA in 2000 had three disasters that they thought were the most likely and most terrible: A terrorist attack on NYC, hurricane hits NO, earthquake in San Francisco. (Let's hope they only get 2/3). The real problem is that even though these nightmarish numbers and scenarios had been worked out, I think with the Cat 2 and 3 storms grazing the area, no one truly BELIEVED and no one was willing to stick their necks out and say, "Hey, let's put that navy hospital ship off the coast of FL this week just in case. Let's get the National Guard deployed with trucks of water and MREs just in case." Everyone knew there would be roughly 100,000 left even after a mandatory evacuation.

                              I thank from the bottom of my heart every rescue worker who is there on the ground working. I have heard them say with grief that they were forced to leave pets behind. The higher-ups, who are supposed to be giving orders, are the ones who have failed us, and them. Every time I see one of them on TV looking rested and confident and spouting platitudes I want to be sick. When I see them once an hour giving the same spiel on just one network, I wonder when it is they're doing all these wonderful things they claim to be doing. (Anderson Cooper finally interrupted Mary Landrieu to say that the thanks she was giving to various politicians really didn't seem very appropriate given that there were rats gnawing on dead bodies.)

                              I hope someone was able to get in and help the family with those minis in Mississippi.

                              If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                              • #55
                                Anyone see the minis on CNN this AM? Owner was appealing to anyone in mini horses socirty to help them - 3 dead already...I didn't see it, so don't know details of where they are, nor how to help...
                                www.savethehorses.org GA Horse Rescue
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                                • #56
                                  Well these questions about putting the National Guard on alert should be directed to the GOVERNORS of each state. They can put them on alert at any time or deploy them to certain areas.

                                  As far as the Hospital ships - they take days to move around Poltroon and the reason they stay in harbor is so that they aren't in harms way and can be deployed. If you put them out at sea - they would have to keep moving away from the storm. As the FACTS show - this storm took a very complicated route after it hit the east coast of Fla and even up to the the last few hours - the location where the eye would come on shore in the gulf was not what they expected.

                                  But again - the New Orleans area and the Governor of LA exhaled too soon before they took the time to get feedback on not only the storm damage but the storm surge affect on the levies.

                                  People CAN be forced to evacuate - under Martial Law but it was not declared. And New Orleans does have public transportation and bus service- people could have moved out of the flood areas in NO.

                                  As I stated before WHAT WAS THE PLAN???? ...states and Cities - hell even our local rural community here in NJ had to put one in place after 9/11. Knowing where elderly people live is ONE list that each community should have to make sure there is a contact person to get to them and evacuate them.

                                  Knowing that it makes sense to GET OUT when you are told to do that has nothing to do with how much money you have. It comes from local government making sure they have a plan in place to set the wheels turning to evacuate everyone if necessary.

                                  Go to this link and look at the photos -
                                  http://www.amha.org/pdf/memb/Bradfor...%20Release.pdf
                                  specifically starting at #22 where it shows the failure of the levies. Look at the homes that were built in that area - why on God's earth would they allow people to build this far below surrounding or adjacent water??? And should we now put money into rebuilding there in the same way? Even if the Army corps of Engineers comes up with some plan to reinforce the levies - would it be worth the risk of possibly having this happen again?
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                                  • #57
                                    Here is what the AMHA is doing for the mini's. Waveland, BTW, is my old neighborhood - we sold the home we owned 4 blocks from the beach 4 years ago. I remember this miniature horse farm......

                                    http://www.amha.org/pdf/memb/Bradfor...%20Release.pdf

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                                    • #58
                                      I guess this is all relative to what you love. I love both humans and animals...but see no less value, and have never believed that any life is more superior than the next....just because I am human does not mean I should have a better chance in any horrible situation. I know I will be blugeoned for that statement....I do have a grip, but that is just my opinion, does not mean I dont understand what SOCIETY thinks I should. My dog, like someone elses 4 year old, is just as important to me, as someones child is. That is why I say it is all relevant to what you love. I just know, and yeah someone on here said, "well when it comes down to it, you can die with your animals then" well no shi# ! maybe I would rather choose that anyway. I would never leave my human children behind, and if it came down to me or them, I would chose them...but since in the animal case, I would have no choice...I would stay. Now...knowing I had a choice to get out of Dodge...I sure as hell would have! I would have literally done so...packed the trailer, got the dogs, and hit the road in my dodge. I would not be dumb enough to be left sitting on my roof with dead bodies floating around me. Am in insensitive to those who are in those situations, NO. By no means. I feel for them and cry everytime I watch tv because I cannot even imagine their devestation. That is the bottom line....these people are devestated. I feel hopeless, helpless, and very very blessed to have what I have. My aunt lives in Saucier,Mississippi down where it hit...and thank God she is alive...so yeah, I know what they are going through. She tells me about the chaos. Her cell phone works, and she lost alot, but is still alive. I just dont even know what to say, but since the topic stands....I could not live with leaving my dog...
                                      "Lose your temper, lose your horse" -someone wise enough to know better than to pick a fight with a 1200 lb animal that could launch you to the moon.

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                                      • #59
                                        Thank you Erin, I have been thinking of that child since Sunday afternoon when I saw that story!

                                        That man, and his dogs broke my heart. What really made me cry was the realization this in just one man and his decision with his pets. Hundreds of thousands others are there, and were faced with choices God willing I will never have to make. I guess it is simply overwhelming to me to understand. I too sit in my home, surrounded by my dogs, horses, and macaw. I can't imagine, sitting here like this now, what all those people went through and are currently enduring, all over the south.
                                        WestWind Farms
                                        Love means attention, which means looking after the things we love. We call this stable management.
                                        - George H. Morris

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                                        • #60
                                          i would never chose a human over an animal...i just meant what i would do,....and that i could not leave my dog, if given a choice....if i was the only one being affected...because I love them just as much as anyone else loves thier kids. but over a crying baby or a dog....yeah, i would have to say I would have some serious counseling to be put through, because I would be so torn up by it.
                                          "Lose your temper, lose your horse" -someone wise enough to know better than to pick a fight with a 1200 lb animal that could launch you to the moon.

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