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  • mairze, while I agree with most of your points, the President doesn't call the Guard in, the governors of individual states do. There is no doubting that the federal response could have been MUCH quicker and more well-managed, but the job of calling up the guard falls to to the states.

    I still think they should've sent the regular Army in sooner. I can't WAIT to read the after-action reports of this whole mess.

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    • Albion I think maybe you misunderstood what I meant when I said race isn't an issue. What I am referring to is on a higher level, i.e., Bush didn't delay sending in help because these people are black, as many people (Jesse Jackson, Kanye West, etc) would like to think.

      I am by NO MEANS racist, but I'm REALLY fed up with a lot of blacks who would like to blame their life miseries on racial discrimination. They expect to sit there and have everything handed to them because their mommas and daddies was slaves, and now it's all someone else's fault because they are suffering. Somehow because they are descended from slaves, they are suffering more than a white person would be suffering.

      And sorry, but I'm sick of the debate about the freaking "looting" vs "finding" photo. It was ONE PHOTO, but the blacks who love to holler, "I'M BEING REPRESSED!" are just loving it.

      Once again, I emphasize: THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT ALL BLACKS. Many of my friends are black, and I love them to death, and can honestly say there have been more than a few times when I'm almost embarressed to be white. It's just a shame that it only takes a few bad apples. Or in this case, a few hundred....or thousand......
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      • Ah, I thought you meant in terms of the tensions etc. that were going on. I think the delay was due to piss poor management and planning on a local AND national level. It just happened that those left behind for whatever reason happened to be the poorest residents of the city - which in NO means they were mostly black. I think a lot of negative response from the people in NO right now IS colored by the tensions that have been in the city long before the hurricane hit. Honestly, I'd probably be suspicious to if I was living in a culture of racism and fear directed at me.

        I don't think dragging race into the problems of getting food & water and getting people OUT of deplorable conditions helps anything, like I said earlier. I wouldn't find the situation any less or more awful if the convention center had been filled with white people. It sucks all around, no matter what color you are.

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        • I was in France for 9/11 and let me tell you, those people wanted desperately to help us. There were American flags hung everywhere, people would hear me speaking english to my son and would hug me and cry. This was coming from the FRENCH, not exactly notorious for loving Americans...

          now we are being asked by our relatives there, why is America turning down aid when we clearly and desperately need it in New Orleans? See, they are assuming that it is a disaster because we need help.. not because we have dropped the ball. To have our president act like such an a**, AGAIN, turning down offers of help that YES we clearly DO need... I just am beside myself. We have been offered money, oil, medical assistance, ALL of which those people need and our president is a pompous A** whose arrogance is chilling. I guess since his life has not been affected he feels he can turn that aid down for those people in New Orleans? Oh pardon me, his vacation DID get interrupted... poor George.
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          • Had a chat with my feed store man this afternoon, he made the point that, because many of the people being evacuated to Texas have little to go back to, they may end up staying in Texas--alas, many for the same reasons they couldn't leave NO in the first place. Yes, Texas has taken on a great deal in providing this level of help. I think it's is true that Houston may be permanently changed by their effort.

            On the other hand, they will always be the ones who can say "we pitched in, we were successful, we got the job done".

            As others have said, Thank You, Texas!
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            • I’m not going to get into the political aspect of this whole disaster. I spent the past 4 days locating family and friends for my friends and I. As the days pass I have made numerous runs to Houston, Dallas and even 2 dozen runs to the other side of San Antonio to help locate these various people. I have family members of distant relations who lived near the levy that broke and they were on their roof as of yesterday waiting while the water still was rising on their roofs. Choppers were rescuing off other roofs but what kept them from being rescued was the fact they had no children. It doesn’t matter the race of people cause my family is white and they still had no form of rescue. My cousins husband swam to find a boat to help rescue them. My cousin herself is a diabetic and as of right now she is doing as good as we can hope. I have 6 people living in my home and we have beds setup all over the place and even the floors have air mattresses on them. I have no idea as to when they will leave but right now they have a home to be able to sleep and have a meal. All of them have lost EVERYTHING! They have nothing to go back to.

              I have other members of my cousins family flying in and driving in from various states to reunite together but one thing we have decided is we as a family need to create a chain of contact for emergency reasons. My cousin Jennifer listed a missing post at the Gulf Coast News site and as soon as that posted we had a means to make contact. We are in the midst of developing a family site for us so that we can list contact information and also medical issues incase down the road this happens in some other part of our nation. It will allow us to have adequate concepts of the housing area, who lives where and what might need a emergency evacuation. The site is for all of us who are connected and not limited to just our family. It also will allow us to know who lives where and if another hurricane hits we know of a safe location to evacuate to.

              My point to this is that we must rely on our family and friends, creating a means of contact that allows all of us to remain in contact if something should happen to any one of us. This should also teach us that anything can happen to any one of us and if something should happen, to create a backup plan. I have friends all over the world who when they hear Texas in disaster situations they know how to contact me and how to get in contact with other people who they know will be in contact with me and it goes the same way for them.

              The situation was horrible and I have nothing good to say about any of the rescue process but I will say that we need to look around ourselves and thank god we have what we have and plan for that “what if”.
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              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I am by NO MEANS racist, but I'm REALLY fed up with a lot of blacks who would like to blame their life miseries on racial discrimination. They expect to sit there and have everything handed to them because their mommas and daddies was slaves, and now it's all someone else's fault because they are suffering. Somehow because they are descended from slaves, they are suffering more than a white person would be suffering. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                This doesn't apply to New Orleans and the state of Louisiana.

                Before the Civil War, Louisiana had a elite class of blacks as well as whites. In fact, New Orleans's population included almost as many free blacks as whites and free blacks outnumbered slaves in the city. Blacks as well as whites could own slaves so slave-owning wasn't the sole provenance of white people.

                It wasn't just about black or white. Louisiana was an unusual melting pot. Creoles could be black or white or both or mixed with Native American blood too.

                When the Civil War started, several thousand free blacks joined the Confederate side of the fighting. This group -- the Louisiana Native Guards -- later switched to the Union cause and were the first black unit sworn in to the US Army. Within a few years, most of the US Army's black officers were from Louisiana.

                My point is, Louisiana/New Orleans history, especially its early history of diversity and tolerance, doesn't support your generalization. So perhaps you're not racist, but you might think about reading a history book or two before making such statements.

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                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Albion:
                  mairze, while I agree with most of your points, the President doesn't call the Guard in, the governors of individual states do. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Then I'll revise that one portion of my statement to say that I blame the governer for not calling in what state guard isn't in Iraq ahead of the hurricane. And blame Bush for not calling in the regular army that is *finally* shipping in from the rest of the country sooner.

                  And I want to add that while I realize it doesn't help to sit around blaming, I believe it *is* important to do a "post mortem," to learn from the experience in order to identify and fix the problems and prevent future mistakes and missteps.

                  I hate to remind people of this, but we're only at the *beginning* of the hurricane season. Maybe we'll get lucky and this one will be it for the year, but based on forecasts that said this will be a very active season, there could be more coming this month.

                  I'm praying for everybody's families and animals, and I'm also thinking of how to prepare myself for the nearterm and longterm future.

                  Government plans "for the people" are a fiasco. This is a nonpartisan statement...20 years ago PBS did a program on what would happen if a nuclear bomb hit Boston, with 30 minutes notice. Living in the region, we immediately knew the government's evacuation plan was a joke...they hadn't even bothered to notify the NH towns that hordes of people would be coming, probably because they knew everybody would die in gridlock, caught in the firestorm except those who chose to drive *into* Boston to be vaporised.

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                  • Wasn't this thread about the dogs. etc being left behind. Did any of you see on ABC News this morning the man who has been trapped in his house for 6 days because he wouldnt leave his dog?!?! I was bawling as the ABC news crew rescued him and the dog on their boat so the Coast Guard folks could get to him. Now I am watching the marine animals finding new homes. Gosh darn this is so hard to watch every day, but I love the happy endings.....(however few and far between they are.
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                    • There is no shortage of National Guard units - I'm not sure what CNN mouth you heard that from but it's not true. Makes for a good lead in though. And why can't people get it straight the PRESIDENT doesn't orderup National Guard units until the GOVERNORS have or indicate they need more.

                      I'm not far from NYC and when 9/11 happened you didn't see NYC police deserting to go check on their families even though EVERYONE IN THE REGION was terrified that more acts of terrorism would occur. The difference in this instance was LEADERSHIP right there in the city and the Governor of NY stepped right in behind Rudi Giuliani - they may not have had a complete plan but by God they put one together quickly. I was here on my farm alone - my husband was in CO - I couldn't even call my neighbors but the reporting we did watch on TV and the IMMEDIATE control that the Mayor and Governor took was what kept people on focus. The only action that Feds took immediately was to close the air space in the entire country - they didn't march federal troops in immediately.

                      Men and women from our area went immediately to help from all of our fire and rescue and don't talk to me about communication. We had no phones either. Cell phones would only work to call out of the region for days.

                      And PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeease - let's not lay any blame for what the Federal Government does or does not facilitate with respect to OIL. The PRESIDENT doesn't create the DEMAND - we do - so get off your high horses about this concept. Or STOP DRIVING YOU CAR (OR TRUCK W/TRAILER), PUT IN SOLAR or windmills and give up many products that are made with petro chemical biproducts. How ignorant. To anyone who posts these allegations - how OIL FREE is your life? You are on your computer which runs on electricity - how the He** do you think that is generated??

                      Every city has indigent poor. New Orleans CLEARLY had no plan of evacuation for these people - HOUSTON DID. Both sit in the path of hurricanes - what was the difference?? LEADERSHIP - not money - Houston's economy isn't exactly booming.

                      And cities have to get their heads out of their BUTTS and stop allowing people to build housing in areas that are not safe and allow them to be built with inadequate building designs and materials.

                      I thought the language of the Mayor of NO was a disgrace. His anger didn't change things - he just looked like an Ass. Look up the statistics and the DOCUMENTARIES on the corruption in NO and it's police department - this is nothing new. Well when you allow this to happen and thrive - when the proverbial SH** hits the fan - the last thing they do is CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP. They cut and run and they did.

                      AND AGAIN - Marziedots - the PRESIDENT cannot send military into states into states until the states REQUEST IT. Take some US Government courses and look at the LAWS. Several posts on here have CLARIFIED THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. And your comment about the US turning down aide from foreign countries is another CNN crapline - read some current newspapers ...credible newspapers and GET THE FACTS AND STOP REGURGITATING RUMORS. Secretary Rice reported the US was accepting aide from other countries and it's on it's way so don't be apart of the "chicken little" reporting system. The sky is not falling.

                      And ERin I have EVERY confidence in the federal government as long as the levels of government in the states, cities and below have their emergency management plans in place. As I stated above contrasts Houston to New Orleans - same industry (oil), just as many poor (actually I think Houston has more illegals) and HOUSTON HAD A PLAN and New Orleans DID NOT.

                      And with respect to New Orleans and the levees - WHY WAS THERE NO CONTINGENCY PLAN FOR EVACUATIONS IF ANY LEVEE FAILED FOR ANY REASON?? That is not the Federal Government's job and if they had gone in to tell NO or LA - we are going to set up this plan - I'm sure that crazed NO Mayor and the pathetic LA Governor would have sent them packing - saying - this is our soverign city/state we will handle it. THEY DIDN'T.
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                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ise@ssl:
                        I thought the language of the Mayor of NO was a disgrace. His anger didn't change things - he just looked like an Ass. Look up the statistics and the DOCUMENTARIES on the corruption in NO and it's police department - this is nothing new. Well when you allow this to happen and thrive - when the proverbial SH** hits the fan - the last thing they do is CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP. They cut and run and they did. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        I think its pretty foolish of you to be criticizing the actions of a person who's home was literally just ripped apart. Hundreds of his constituants are dead, and it took FIVE DAYS for the government to appropriate aid money. Those were five days when people were dying.
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                        • Don’t know how to get this out and it may be to late for Katrina victims but here is a last ditch option you dog owners might want to know about.

                          We were at dinner last night with a couple… they are breeders of many years with some considerable experience. Over the past 20 plus years these people had sold a few dogs to a lady who lived in New Orleans. In the aftermath of Katrina, the lady evacuated to the Hyatt with her dog… but refused to be rescued for fear of having to leave the dog behind. The couple (husband is an attorney) were able to contact the woman… told her to tell the rescue workers the dog is a Seizure Alert Dog. The woman did and she and the dog got out.

                          The American with Disabilities Act mandates that Seizure Alert Dogs stay with the owner, and (under the ADA) officials are not even allowed to ask for verification that the dog is a Seizure Alert Dog. Over the years this couple had used the ADA to take their German Shepard on airline flights with them… as a Seizure Alert dog.

                          Seizure Alert dogs come in all shapes and sizes… it is their particular sensitivity to the owner that is critical. So no official could truly dispute the claim. Now obviously this won’t work if the owner was tentative… or had some raging uncontrollable monster at the end of a leash… but IF claiming this falsehood makes the difference between saving your dog or loosing him/her… it is worth trying.
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                          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by runspotrun:
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ise@ssl:
                            I thought the language of the Mayor of NO was a disgrace. His anger didn't change things - he just looked like an Ass. Look up the statistics and the DOCUMENTARIES on the corruption in NO and it's police department - this is nothing new. Well when you allow this to happen and thrive - when the proverbial SH** hits the fan - the last thing they do is CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP. They cut and run and they did. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            I think its pretty foolish of you to be criticizing the actions of a person who's home was literally just ripped apart. Hundreds of his constituants are dead, and it took FIVE DAYS for the government to appropriate aid money. Those were five days when people were dying. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



                            Isn't that the point? Hundreds of his constituents dead and where the hell was the mayor?
                            Thousands of constituents were dead in NY and Rudi was down on the street, a very VISIBLE and active presence among his constituents...the people who put him in office.
                            He didn't hi-tail it to NJ and rage uselessly to reporters.

                            Frankly, I'm embarrassed by the way just about everyone has acted, from Bush down to the people looting and shooting at rescuers.

                            and all the while people in real need going unaided, dying in the streets.

                            Yay, USA. Way to show the rest of the world our truly truly horrid side.
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                            • Ilona, the LA Governor had been BEGGING Bush to send in the 82nd. Some of his advisors have been trying to talk her out of that. So get off your high horse. Please tell me how a governor asking to turn the area over to the feds doesn't count as "asking for help."

                              The NG is running at leat 30% below normal in terms of supplies (like humvees) - they go overseas with it & it DOES NOT come home with them. Blum has been trying to express that.

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                              • Albion we must in parallel universes - I've watched that pathetic Governor from Lousiana - the one with the shaky voice, no leadership and NO CONFIDENCE from last Sunday night and TOTALLY disagree with your representations on what she asked for and when. I've read qualified sources and emailed people IN and heard from people IN Louisiana.

                                Her attitude now is A GREAT BIG C.Y.A. - she should resign. And I stand behind my comments about the Mayor of New Orleans. He's a disgrace.

                                And let's contrast him to Rudi Giuliani and Gov BLANKO to Gov Pataki..........New Orleans and Louisiana KNEW THE STORM WAS COMING. New York and the entire REGION 9/11 impacted DID NOT.

                                When you have so much of your city below sea level - why couldn't they have inflatable boats with battery powered pumps in each and every single fire house, rescue squad and police department in each precinct. This could have helped remove people safely and expeditiously INCLUDING THEIR DOGS. This isn't some million dollar concept to put in place but obviously NO LEADERSHIP - NO SOLUTIONS. And from what I'm seeing those officials might have just inflated the boats and left themselves.

                                Edit: I'm adding schools and churches to this list of places that could have and should have had inflatable boats. Neighbor hood drills to let people know where the closest one located are easy to set up. DOES THE WORD 'PLAN' ring a bell?

                                And why with all this ranting and blaming by the Mayor did he send in buses to one of the major hotels to get tourists to the airport while HIS residents were dying at other locations???

                                There are 46 states besides TEXAS that were not affected by the Hurricane - GET ON THE PHONE, SEND AN EMAIL, FAX A LETTER TO YOUR GOVERNOR OF YOUR STATE. Each one should accept a percentage of the refugees IMMEDIATELY. If you have time to post on here - you have time to go on line and write to your state's elected officials. You are all worried about the dogs - well if you don't find permanent homes for these regugees with dogs - the crisis doesn't end.
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                                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JER:
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I am by NO MEANS racist, but I'm REALLY fed up with a lot of blacks who would like to blame their life miseries on racial discrimination. They expect to sit there and have everything handed to them because their mommas and daddies was slaves, and now it's all someone else's fault because they are suffering. Somehow because they are descended from slaves, they are suffering more than a white person would be suffering. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  This doesn't apply to New Orleans and the state of Louisiana.

                                  Before the Civil War, Louisiana had a elite class of blacks as well as whites. In fact, New Orleans's population included almost as many free blacks as whites and free blacks outnumbered slaves in the city. Blacks as well as whites could own slaves so slave-owning wasn't the sole provenance of white people.

                                  It wasn't just about black or white. Louisiana was an unusual melting pot. Creoles could be black or white or both or mixed with Native American blood too.

                                  When the Civil War started, several thousand free blacks joined the Confederate side of the fighting. This group -- the Louisiana Native Guards -- later switched to the Union cause and were the first black unit sworn in to the US Army. Within a few years, most of the US Army's black officers were from Louisiana.

                                  My point is, Louisiana/New Orleans history, especially its early history of diversity and tolerance, doesn't support your generalization. So perhaps you're not racist, but you might think about reading a history book or two before making such statements. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  I don't need to read a book or two to know what Jesse Jackson and numerous other black leaders have been saying (note: I didn't say NO blacks. I am referring to the blacks who are making the suffering a racial issue). But thanks for the advice. You might think about reading my post a little better before making such statements and giving me a history lesson.
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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ise@ssl:
                                    And I stand behind my comments about the Mayor of New Orleans. He's a disgrace.
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                                    • For those who said people had no transportation available to evacuate. Check out http://www.drudgereport.com - look at the photo off all the school buses and the reference to the City of New Orleans emergency plan.

                                      Begs the question why these buses were still there when the levees failed. They should have been full of people and their pets outside of New Orleans - NOT underwater.
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                                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ise@ssl:
                                        ...I'm not far from NYC and when 9/11 happened you didn't see NYC police deserting to go check on their families even though EVERYONE IN THE REGION was terrified that more acts of terrorism would occur. The difference in this instance was LEADERSHIP right there in the city and the Governor of NY stepped right in behind Rudi Giuliani - they may not have had a complete plan but by God they put one together quickly. I was here on my farm alone - my husband was in CO - I couldn't even call my neighbors but the reporting we did watch on TV and the IMMEDIATE control that the Mayor and Governor took was what kept people on focus. The only action that Feds took immediately was to close the air space in the entire country - they didn't march federal troops in immediately.

                                        Men and women from our area went immediately to help from all of our fire and rescue and don't talk to me about communication. We had no phones either. Cell phones would only work to call out of the region for days. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Well Ise, we agree on one thing. Giuliani did take over and created the plan on the spot. Why? Because FEMA and the military didn't know what the f--k to do. I happened to be there for several days immediately following so have some first hand experience. Of course, Bush was quick to step in, grab the bullhorn (dressed in fatigues no less) and accept the applause and credit but they had nothing to do with the recovery efforts.

                                        I see no point in criticizing the mayor of NO at this point. It was a completely different set of circumstances but what is similar is the lack of response from FEMA and the military. You can't convince me that if this had happened in Kennebunkport the response would not have been different.

                                        OH and btw, the police were not exactly happy campers at Ground Zero. And their families were not in danger of drowning or losing their homes. The city government was not destroyed and they knew they would get paid.
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                                        • Oh please - if you don't have any grip on how important it is for the President - ANY PRESIDENT - to show up at any location that has a disaster - you must be clueless. For the people I know who WERE at ground zero for days -police/fire and my friends who lost familiy members - it WAS SO IMPORTANT TO THEM.

                                          And it was to me as well - You might feel differently - your choice. When Bush went out and threw the ball at the baseball game I was torn between terror that something would go wrong and exhiliration the he was going out there to say - "we won't run and hide".

                                          You can citique Bush for what he wore- -but then you'd have to go back and do the same for every past President at every other terrible situation. Wearing something that connects to the people on site - is a symbol - not a photo op. And if you were dressing him - what would you have chosen?

                                          And I'm not defending FEMA - but if you were in NYC you certainly KNOW the levels this hit physically, emotionally and mentally was something that the USA had never faced in peacetime.
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