• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 2/8/18)
See more
See less

Wash Stall - Open or closed?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #21
    A place I used to board had a wash stall totally enclosed with a regular sliding stall door. It was insulated and had heat lamps so you could wash in the coldest of weather and get your horse dry without killing it.

    It was useful.

    During nice weather, just left the door open.

    Comment


    • #22
      I think at a big boarding barn, where there's lots of different horses, with varying levels of training and manners, and enclosed wash stall is a BAD idea. I've seen enough wrecks happen in a wash stall, where I imagine it would've been a ton worse if the person wasn't able to get the heck out of the way REAL quick and easy.

      If it's a private barn, and your horses are generally a-ok with wash stalls, then it seems like an ok idea. I personally would prefer a big open front, but I also own a mare who isn't too fond of enclosed spaces.
      Tell a Gelding. Ask a Stallion. Discuss it with a Mare... Pray if it's a Pony!

      Comment


      • #23
        As somebody whose had to bathe spooky horses in an enclosed wash stall....I'd never build one that way on purpose.
        <3 Vinnie <3
        1992-2010
        Jackie's Punt ("Bailey") My Finger Lakes Finest Thoroughbred

        Comment


        • #24
          Hmmmm... the thought of a wash stall with a small opening and a door is not appealing to me at all.

          Comment

          • Original Poster

            #25
            The builder came out today and looked around and gave me an estimate, and is going to start working tomorrow. I was thinking the typical contractor timeline was going to give me lots of time for considering the options, but I guess in this slow economy, when you talk to a builder, you had better be ready to start building.

            It's going to be enclosed, 12 x 12, with a sliding door, ceiling, insulation, and heat. If warmth wasn't an issue, I'd save my money and hose the horses off outside like I did tonight, but I can't do that in December.

            I asked him about lining it with a waterproof material. He said he has built some like that, usually foaling stalls where they wanted a surface they could wash down completely between uses. He said that no matter how you fasten the lining to the wall, after a while it eventually gets wavy. He said that none of the unlined wood stalls he has built have a moisture problem. He thought that if I was going to wash several horses a day, it might be an issue, but washing a maximum of one horse twice a week wasn't going to be a problem.

            One thing several people here and elsewhere have mentioned is horses spooking at the drain. I forgot to ask him about that, but I'm planning to ask if he can put it in a corner, or maybe in the center of one wall, instead of the center of the floor.

            Comment


            • #26
              Best drain I ever saw was a ditch drain the width of the stall across the back, but you have to be sure your floor is sloped properly.

              Can you get one of those overhead "boom" type hoses? I have heard they are great - no more hose around the horse's feet.

              I wasn't crazy with the idea of the enclosed wash stall (as I want to be able to get out of the way in a hurry if a horse is going to be a butthead) but will admit I've never seen one in action. I hope you'll check back here with your thoughts after you've used it a few times.
              "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." ~ Jack Layton

              Comment


              • #27
                Tell the builder to check here for material to line the walls.
                This is what dairies use and they wash and disinfect all day long after each milking and the walls don't warp:

                http://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies...;pg106835.html

                Comment

                • Original Poster

                  #28
                  The boom hoses look like they could easily be installed by an idiot (meaning me), so I think I'll probably put one in after it's built. I'm also thinking that when I clip, I can run the clipper cord along the boom so it's not underfoot.

                  Comment


                  • #29
                    Matt, don't let the builder rush your decisions because he is chomping at the bit to start building! Be sure you like the plan.

                    One friend used Trex type lumber for her wash stall walls and that is pretty slick. No worries of that warping.

                    Comment


                    • #30
                      My wash stall is just like a stall, complete with door. It has a sloping cement floor with two mats. It has a ditch drain in front to keep water off the aisle. Water drains out a hole in the wall to the outside.

                      VERY NICE especially for young horses. They are enclosed. I have the cross ties rather tight so they cannot wiggle too much. I DO pay attention when I am on the off side!

                      Soon I'll put in one of those overhead hoses, but right now it's just a hose....

                      One nice this is that in an emergency (like a hurricane, etc) I can use it as a stall if I bed it deeply.... and with good lighting (also still to come) it could be a good vet or farrier work area.

                      L

                      Comment


                      • #31
                        I have been at a barn that converted a stall into a wash stall like you are building. Totally enclosed, boom type hose and a sliding door. It was pretty nice. The only drawback was that some of the horses were really resistant to walking into the stall in the first place. Now, granted they had to step up and many of these horses didnt' have the best manners but even some of the solid citizens didn't like it and took some coaxing. I'm not sure what they didn't like - it had plexiglass (?) windows and was well matted but some of them acted like they were being pulled into a black hole.

                        Comment


                        • #32
                          I have boarded with both. Because I live in South Dakota, if I ever built it would be an enclosed wash stall. I love the idea of a sliding door like others have mentioned, that would solve a lot of problems. The enclosed one where I boarded was a room - not stall size, probably 12x16? It had a regular human sized door on it, and was heated and held the hot water heater. Concrete with rubber drainage mats. Horse cross tied facing the door, and we got a coil hose with a clip to clip to the ceiling bars to keep the hose off the ground. The drain was off to one side and actually had an opening in the wall so the area we tied horses to tack and groom outside of the stall could be spray cleaned and still drain as well. I loved being able to bathe in the winter if needed, and clean injuries in the winter, and our vets would use it for various treatments. In the summer you could leave the door open if you wanted.

                          Currently, I board at a place that has a three sided wash stall with no ceiling. There is a 4" step down into the wash rack and the majority of the fourth edge has another 4" lip. I hate the lip and find my horses are more apt to move around in the open rack. The rack is concrete and the drain is a large grate drain, probably 3'x4' wide, covered with rubber drainage mats. The drain freezes in the winter so our wash rack is closed for several months of the year. Last year, when dealing with Rocky's draining melanomas in January, we actually had to haul him to the vet a couple times to get a good cleaning because we couldn't use our wash rack. Frustrating.

                          If a horse is spooky/going to freak out in the wash rack ... that's a sign that there hasn't been enough training done. Patience and time should teach the horse that a) small spaces aren't going to eat them - heck, we trailer them in tighter spaces and b) they won't melt when they get wet. But it does take a lot of time and patience. I am dying to give my new 5 yr old a bath - she's been unhandled her entire life so never had one - but she's not ready for that yet. I can get her in and out of the wash rack without fuss now, she'll stand tied, and the water running doesn't bug her anymore. She's even starting to accept water on her feet - and we're doing drippy sponge baths outside to help her get used to the water. Slow and steady ... probably 10-15 more sessions and she should accept baths calmly like my other horses.
                          If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude.
                          ~ Maya Angelou

                          Comment


                          • #33
                            I like the open front because thats what Ive always seen.

                            I did board somewhere that had an older barn section. The hayloft was overtop of the wash stall. Though the ceiling was about 7.5 feet my horse hated that washstall. It was dark and cramped so no way wa she going in there.

                            Being scared of small spaces myself I can relate.
                            “Management is doing things right; leadership is doing the right things.” Peter Drucker

                            Comment


                            • #34
                              I worked in a barn long ago that had a regular stall made into a wash stall, with a drain.
                              It was about in the middle of the row of stalls and what was nice, the back wall had an insulated garage type overhead door, that in warm weather you could open and it gave the barn extra ventilation.
                              It had a gate across it, that could be open and bring horses from outside into the wash stall and was nice and inviting, horses could enter thru the regular stall door from the aisle or from outside, but in the winter, to wash legs or such, you had a nice, warm place with water and out of the weather.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X