I would be interested in leather products from pastured cattle. I don't buy meat because i disagree with the way feedlot animals are raised, and it bothers me to buy leather that is a byproduct of the same industry. It would be nice to have a more humane choice.
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You do realize that "feedlot animals" are raised on pasture until they are almost ready for market right? Cattle are finished on feedlots shortly before being slaughtered, they aren't raised there.Originally posted by andy825 View PostI would be interested in leather products from pastured cattle. I don't buy meat because i disagree with the way feedlot animals are raised, and it bothers me to buy leather that is a byproduct of the same industry. It would be nice to have a more humane choice."Are you yawning? You don't ride well enough to yawn. I can yawn, because I ride better than you. Meredith Michael Beerbaum can yawn. But you? Not so much..."
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HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAOriginally posted by tangledweb View PostIf you want to avoid feedlots you could just avoid American leather. Grain fed beef is almost entirely an American phenomena.
the hide of that old European dairy cow is much better anyhow....
(considering my Uncle raised bulls for meat, maybe 8 to a corral in the barn NEVER turned out...yeah, feedlots are evil...)
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No thanks! Tack is expensive enough as it is! I can't imagine how much more expensive "organic" tack would be.
Besides, how can you prove it truly is organic? The animals *may* be organic but what about the tanning and processing process? Wouldn't that kind of defeat the purpose?__________________________________________________ _
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Interestingly enough the "Good old fashioned" tanning methods were actually really toxic. That's why they don't tan leather the same way in this day and age. Personally I have two sidesaddles, one is over 100 years old and the other is about 90 years old and the quality of leather is amazing. I don't think our "modern" leather would survive nearly as long and I'm pretty sure it's due to the different tanning process.Originally posted by loshad View Post....make certified organic leather goods using good old-fashioned tanning methods....
In terms of longevity, vegetable tanned leather is quite nice, but it's not as durable or long lasting and then you still have that large ecological "footprint" when it comes to the processing.
Grass fed cattle are still "finished" in a feedlot. It's a common misconception. If they aren't, believe me you'll know it. The meat will be tougher and won't taste nearly as good.Originally posted by JetsGlitterNGold View Post....grass-fed cattle....
We tried to raise purley "grass fed" beef once. We took three steers and they were only on grass. Sure they got nice and fat but honestly, the meat was horrible. Tough, tasted bad, not marbled well. Ick.__________________________________________________ _
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Sorry...organic = sucker.
Oooo, I feel so much better buying "green", my chickens being "free range" and Juan Valdez getting good pay for his coffee beans.
I was at the grocery store yesterday...they had wild caught Alaskan salmon and "organic" Irish farm raised (which was $4 more expensive than the wild stuff!). What dolt would buy the fake farm vs. wild? Those buying "organic"."Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"
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I knew a gal who tried to sell some really pretty hemp lead ropes and rope tack. In her case it was that she made jewelry and pet items already and wanted to see if she could branch out into the horse market. She only sold a few pieces and gave up after a summer trying to market it at horse shows and getting a few tack shops to offer them on consignment. As far as I know her original pieces are still on sale at one tack shop a few years later.
Her pet stuff (collars and leads) and jewelry sells like hotcakes, though.
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