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  • #21
    I wonder if maybe the OP isn't conflating "organic" with "vegetarian friendly." I would bet that one could (for an impressive markup ) make certified organic leather goods using good old-fashioned tanning methods and the cows that are raised for organic meat. That having been said, I would bet that the resulting product would be cost prohibitive to most horse owners.
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    • #22
      Nope, wouldn't draw me, I'd think 'sales gimmick' first.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by saje View Post
        Nope, wouldn't draw me, I'd think 'sales gimmick' first.
        Yes, but I know so many people who LOVE sales gimmicks! heh
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          #24
          Should I ever make a product labeled "organic", I would make the best effort I could to only use pesticide free grown hemp or cotton as well as natural dyes. The hardware would be the same hardware that is found on many halters. If I ever looked into making anything with leather and advertising it as "organic", I would probably opt for leather that came from grass-fed cattle, as I believe that feeding organic corn is no better than feeding a herd of cattle non-organic corn since a ruminant's stomach is not designed to take in such large quantities of starch. I would do all of the research necessary to follow the definition as strictly as I could. As of this moment in time though, I don't have a strict definition or plan of action for "organic" horse tack. Forgive me for my lack of direction, this idea is still in it's newborn stages.

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          • #25
            It'd be a niche market for sure. I prefer to be sustainable, I recycle, try to refrain from pesticide use, I'll use bait and fly spray but no wasp bombs. No herbicides. But the cost of an organic cotton leadrope would outweigh the small footprint reduction - after all as Poltroon pointed out tack is not an item we replace or want to replace frequently.

            Now, I could see organic unbleached saddle pads, baby pads, maybe with a vegetable dye - they're an item that people buy just for fun.
            I could also see thick cotton reins out of organic cotton, nicely made. Simple snap ons for colt breaking and fancier with the romel for trail riding. Really fancy for showing Western perhaps.

            Whoops, adding that the whole point of buying nylon is the sheer indestructibility of it. These products would have to be value added, specialty items.
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            • #26
              Be careful with hemp for halters.
              It has a tendency to shrink when wet.
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              • #27
                Originally posted by JetsGlitterNGold View Post
                Should I ever make a product labeled "organic", I would make the best effort I could to only use pesticide free grown hemp or cotton as well as natural dyes. The hardware would be the same hardware that is found on many halters. If I ever looked into making anything with leather and advertising it as "organic", I would probably opt for leather that came from grass-fed cattle, as I believe that feeding organic corn is no better than feeding a herd of cattle non-organic corn since a ruminant's stomach is not designed to take in such large quantities of starch. I would do all of the research necessary to follow the definition as strictly as I could. As of this moment in time though, I don't have a strict definition or plan of action for "organic" horse tack. Forgive me for my lack of direction, this idea is still in it's newborn stages.
                IIRC, there are some pretty strict rules you have to follow in order to slap the "organic" label on a product, and they aren't "try as hard as you can." If I were you, I would look up those regulations and then determine how feasible it would be to follow them and whether or not there are suppliers.
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                • #28
                  ReSomething beat me to it-maybe look to low impact, or recycled/secondary source for manufacture. Maybe feature fair trade sources. That may be important to some folks. Remember though, make the horse the first consideration. As an example, even if the pad is organic/recycled whatever, if it's not comfortable for the horses, and durable for me it doesn't matter.

                  Isn't leather manufacture a pretty dirty process? Maybe you could offer a "cleaner" processed leather product.

                  Whatever-I'm not gonna part with my buffalo hide SW Beaufort-I'll just have to find other ways to make the planet greener!

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                  • #29
                    Once upon a time all horse tack was "organic." Except maybe for the metal parts. If you want to see what it was like go to a museum (the Steamboat Arabia Museum in Kansas City has one of the finest collections of "organic" tack and clothing items I've seen in a long time). Look at its appearance and decide if you can sell modern versions of it for enough money to cover the costs of production. Remember that you have to look at stuff from about the American Civil War back, because after the ACW you see the rise of the American chemical industry and the “organicness” of stuff begins to change.

                    Frankly, IMO, most of the benefits attributed to "organic" processes are highly questionable and the prices charged prohibitive. "Green" in this arena has a lot more to do with the color of the medium of exchange than the effect upon the environment.

                    That said, no one ever lost money overestimating the gullibility of the American consumer. I mean didn’t folks make money selling “pet rocks?” You might be the future P.T. Barnum of the horse tack industry, separating the rubes from their chump change and both of you smiling (you on the way to the bank, the rube glorying in their “green-ness”).

                    Put another way, you might well be on your personal road to wealth, but you’re not saving the planet.

                    I'll stick with my mixture of "organic" and "chemical" tack.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by sublimequine View Post
                      Nope, I also vote for 'silly'.

                      If you want a niche market, make stuff in sizes outside the "cob-horse-draft" realm. I'd KILL to find stuff to fit my wide-but-short headed horse. And I know a lot of people are in the same boat, their horse's head being a shape that doesn't fit neatly into the 3 standard categories.

                      Ain't that the truth!!! I'm in the same boat as you. Try finding tack to fit a Spanish Mustang, looong head, beefy jowl (stallion) but not long enough to be "full", cob is to short to adjust, nose that is WAY bigger around than "cob" but shorter than full and I wont even get into reins

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by poltroon View Post
                        No.

                        Horse people are pragmatists and are more price sensitive than someone with a single dog.
                        Beautifully written, poltroon. And quite right. I don't even know if labeling exists for such products. Regulation and labeling requirements are pretty draconian and you must obtain federal approval for any claims like organic, natural, etc.

                        That would be a real tough business model.

                        Truth be told, using leather is pretty eco-friendly. Recycling at its best. Very little waste, it degrades, dyes are easier on the environment, and it lasts for many years and can be easily repaired.
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                        • #32
                          Modern bark/vegetable tanning methods are organic. So is skin.
                          So why bother ?

                          Bark/vegetable tanning is used on quality leather because the process takes longer. Chrome tanning is used on the cheap stuff. Tack that you'd want is made of the good stuff.
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                          • #33
                            I would have to say no. Most of what I use is either leather or synthetic. Practically speaking, I can't imagine what type of items you are picturing. Halters are either leather or nylon, saddle pads typically contain both nylon and some foam padding, and the best wraps are usually some type of synthetic material.

                            In terms of "eco friendly" it is my opinion that the most eco-friendly way to manage a horse farm is to buy products that are durable and well designed, in order to consume as few products as possible. I would NOT take a chance on a product simply because it was labelled "organic" or "green" or "eco-friendly" unless it offered other obvious design or price advantages.

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by RougeEmpire View Post
                              Ain't that the truth!!! I'm in the same boat as you. Try finding tack to fit a Spanish Mustang, looong head, beefy jowl (stallion) but not long enough to be "full", cob is to short to adjust, nose that is WAY bigger around than "cob" but shorter than full and I wont even get into reins
                              I will happily fill this need need if there is a market for it. Please tell me more about your tack needs! What about the reins? I is starting a fashion halter line (sample: http://sample.gofreshdesign.com/paisleyhaltersample.jpg) and making custom sizes would not be a problem. I just need measurements.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by JetsGlitterNGold View Post
                                I'm trying to put out some feelers to see if anyone is interested in buying organic horse tack, such as halters, saddle pads, wraps, or any other sort of nylon tack. It seems to be a trend that is catching on with small pets, such as dogs and cats, so it is something that horse people would buy as well? Thanks in advance for your opinions.
                                Not a chance. Personally I think it's mostly a gimmick anyway.
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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by Guilherme View Post

                                  Frankly, IMO, most of the benefits attributed to "organic" processes are highly questionable and the prices charged prohibitive. "Green" in this arena has a lot more to do with the color of the medium of exchange than the effect upon the environment.

                                  That said, no one ever lost money overestimating the gullibility of the American consumer.

                                  Put another way, you might well be on your personal road to wealth, but you’re not saving the planet.

                                  G.
                                  All of this is true.

                                  To legally call something "organic" (in the USDA-certified sense, not the 'based on carbon molecules' sense) you have go through a certification and you have to be very detailed. There's a reason organic produce and meat is more expensive, despite not actually tasting different.

                                  I'll stick to being "green" (and saving my greenbacks) by buying used leather tack.
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                                  • #37
                                    Organic cotton is damaging to the environment. It uses 3-5 times more water to grow and in an area like India where water is in short supply and they grow a lot of cotton; it is really taxing the water supply.

                                    As someone who does buy organic food; I would not care to buy organic tack. Most of the good stuff is naturally tanned leather and cotton anyways. While I do see it in dog stuff.....Horse people don't buy sunglasses and baby clothes to dress up their horse. As others said we tend to be more practical.

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                                    • #38
                                      I would sell it to the Parellites, they'll buy anything for any amount of money.

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                                      • #39
                                        I don't think tack and big items like sheets/blankets would be financially viable.

                                        I can, however, see people going nuts over Organic IR-Friendly Horse Treats. Or whatever other diet-of-the-day treats you can concoct.

                                        Also shampoos/conditioners, liniments, etc. Possibly some of the items others have mentioned -- human clothing, saddle/baby pads, maybe standing wraps and pillows.

                                        Luxury items, in other words. And even then, in this economy, I think it would be difficult to convince people to pay extra for an organic label.
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                                        • #40
                                          I would try to think of products that can be made from recycled or waste materials, or that take unusual advantage of some unused manufacturing capacity. I can think of buckets or water troughs, or jump components out of recycled plastic. Here's a website that tries to match up people with reusable waste with people who could use it - think of the scrap denim that gets turned into insulation, or the old billboards made into bags: www.recyclematch.com. There's a company in Philadelphia that primarily makes industrial fabrics but I think used to use some of the scraps to make horse blankets. There's also a company that makes various housewares, including some felt bowls and lamps. The felt things are made at one of the last hat factories in the country. While not as easy to promote on the packaging, they prevented another vacant building full of rusting machinery and save energy with short shipping distance. They also make sure everything they sell flat-packs, again to save energy.

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