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  • Can someone please explain saddleseat to me?

    Really. I don't get it. No saddle pad, feet out in front, hands high in the air, always with double reins and curb bit.

    How do they get the horses to step that way?

    What are those things on the front hooves?

    Isnt it un-natural to move like that? Snappy knees and whatnot?

    Not being snarky, I just do NOT get it. Do they canter or only trot? I get all other diciplines but this one has never made sense to me.

    Anyone?

  • #2
    It's just a style of riding like Western or Hunt Seat. Not sure what there is to "get" or not get, but the style of riding has been around for quite some time and was developed in the south. Like everywhere else people became competitive and high stepping horses became a point of pride. The style of riding developed to best show those high stepping horses off, as well as to be comfortable while riding long distances around large farms and plantations.

    Yes, they canter.

    Anyway, not sure what there is to "explain" - it's a different look and aesthetic than other disciplines.

    As for "what's on their feet" it varies - typically their feet are kept a little longer than you might be used to and sometimes padded for elevation and to enhance the high-stepping. Some gaited horse showers go a step farther into territory that I consider cruelty with very thick "stacks" of pads, sometimes with weights, and use chains on the horse's pasterns to produce the highest possible action.

    The tack is actually pretty traditional - double bridles and cutback type saddles actually are still prevalent in England. modern "show hunter" saddles are more padded/modern than a saddleseat saddle, but the roots are similar.

    UK Show Hunter Pony
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    • #3
      Originally posted by LittleblackMorgan View Post
      Not being snarky, I just do NOT get it.
      I'll let someone else address your "questions". IMO they were really just thinly veiled potshots coming from a position of complete ignorance. If you have to state that you're "not being snarky", then you most likely ARE.

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      • #4
        For the 2nd time today, what Caffeinated said.

        (I think I'm growing a little girl crush here. )
        http://www.tbhsa.com/index.html

        Originally Posted by JSwan
        I love feral children. They taste like chicken.

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        • #5
          Depends on the breed too. Saddlebreds come in 2 flavors, 3 Gaited and 5 Gaited. The three gaited horses do the obvious - walk, trot, canter, and the 5 Gaited add slow gait and rack to those. Saddlebreds are also driven as Fine Harness horses.

          Arabs, Morgans and TWH are also ridden saddle seat. Hackney's also have the high in front movement but are fancy carriage ponies.

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          • #6
            I'll also ditto what Caffeinated said.

            Way back when I rode saddle seat we did not school in double bridles more than once a week or so, and of course rode in them at shows. The trot is such a showy gait and makes for excellent pictures, like how many dressage pics are taken at the extended trot.

            Find a five gaited ASB sometime, and you might find yourself loving their sportscar-like ride!
            Reasons I'm crazy, #37: I went out shopping for a pony and came home with a 17hh OTTB
            ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~

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            • #7
              Mmkay, a few things to address in your post. I grew up riding, showing, and training saddle seat (now do mostly dressage and jumping), so I'll do my best = )

              No saddle pad: if you look at old dressage and jumping pics, a lot of those old very flat saddles were not used with pads either. I have a theory that those older flat saddles were easier to fit to a horse's back - but that's probably only part of it, haha. In saddle seat, you also need to remember that a class is usually at MOST 15 minutes long. At home, most people will use saddle pads to keep the saddle clean, but that's about it. If a horse needs special pads, he will get them at home and at a show, trust me. Also, if you think about it, in other disciplines a horse's saddle pad is often just to keep the saddle clean unless your saddle really fits poorly. My dressage pad is just thin cotton - if the style in dressage were to show without it, I'd certainly consider it if it didn't bother my horse's back (which I doubt it would since his saddle fits well).

              Double bridle: All horses must show in a full bridle after they hit a certain age (but that doesn't mean they always or even usually wear it at home). It's used a bit differently than a double bridle on a dressage horse, but the basics are the same. I tend to agree it's a bit overkill because you get far too many people with uneducated hands being forced to show in one or not show at all. However, saddle seat horses are trained to go with MUCH lighter contact on the bit than dressage horses, so it's not like they're coming into sharp contact with the curb constantly.

              Those "things" on the front hooves. Those would be shoes = ) Haha, no really, they are shoes with usually a pad or two between the shoe and foot. Saddle seat horses generally have longer feet because it enhances the high action and can provide more snap. Approve or hate it, but I will say that done within reason, I've known many horses shod this way to be sound into their 20s. However, many take it to extremes (too long, improper balance, etc) and/or do not properly condition their horses to work on the longer feet which will absolutely create soundess issues.

              Unnatural movement. Actually, not really. Most of the good saddle seat horses are bred to move like that. Find some video clips of saddlebred babies running around in pasture or some barefoot youngsters, and you will see them trot that way at liberty. People spend top dollar on these horses with natural action because it makes their job quite easy for them. Same goes for the high headset - watch a saddlebred at liberty and see where they wear their neck - quite high. Obviously there are some who have horses that are less inclined towards saddle seat and those horses will get extra "help" from artifical means - long feet, certain training gadgets, etc. Some take this too far, as with any discipline.

              The canter. Yes, they all canter. There are no classes where they don't (except walk/trot for very young riders or a driving class). A saddle seat horse can have a lovely canter that is a dream to ride. Unfortunately, because the trot is considered the highlight gait of the show, some trainers spend less time than they should on the canter and get an ugly rushed looking gait - this is not because the horse can't canter, it's because the trainer is lazy.

              You will probably never "understand" saddle seat unless you go ride a talented saddlebred someday doing its thing. There are few things more thrilling, in my opinion, than riding a saddlebred through the in gate at a big show. They bloom to the crowd, their necks grow a foot longer, they suck back into your lap and feel like their feet are barely touching the ground. The best truly love to show, and it's an amazing feeling = )

              There are a lot of unfortunate trends in the discipline (the main reason I've since switched to dressage), but at its best, there really is nothing like it, and to the horses that are bred for it, it actually is quite natural - just try to get a top saddle seat horse to be interested in dropping it's head down lower as is "natural" for other disciplines, they will show you just how unnatural they think that is, haha.

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              • #8
                Sort of like that funny sport where everyone wears top hats and white gloves, always with the double bridle, chin cranked down, saddles all padded up to keep the rider stuck in place, horses sticking their legs way out in front and going sideways and spinning around... oh wait, that's dressage.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by twofatponies View Post
                  Sort of like that funny sport where everyone wears top hats and white gloves, always with the double bridle, chin cranked down, saddles all padded up to keep the rider stuck in place, horses sticking their legs way out in front and going sideways and spinning around... oh wait, that's dressage.
                  Every one of them had that look of a girl infatuated with horses, the happy, fated look of a passenger setting sail on the Titanic.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by twofatponies View Post
                    Sort of like that funny sport where everyone wears top hats and white gloves, always with the double bridle, chin cranked down, saddles all padded up to keep the rider stuck in place, horses sticking their legs way out in front and going sideways and spinning around... oh wait, that's dressage.
                    Those freaks ....

                    LOL!!!

                    Originally posted by Seal Harbor View Post
                    Arabs, Morgans and TWH are also ridden saddle seat. Hackney's also have the high in front movement but are fancy carriage ponies.
                    Add Appaloosas to the list...I attended an Appaloosa breed show, and they showed their horses in saddle seat.
                    It is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."

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                    • #11
                      Very nice post, Bort.

                      2fatponies:
                      Dreaming in Color

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by NE_Rider View Post
                        Add Appaloosas to the list...I attended an Appaloosa breed show, and they showed their horses in saddle seat.
                        And Friesians and Andalusians...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bort84 View Post
                          Those "things" on the front hooves. Those would be shoes = ) Haha, no really, they are shoes with usually a pad or two between the shoe and foot.

                          Or did she mean the white leather quarter boots...instead of bell boots. Self explanatory.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LittleblackMorgan View Post
                            ... hands high in the air...
                            If the head is high (and they're born that way) you still need an unbroken straight line from the bit to your elbow. Thus, you must raise your hands.

                            Originally posted by LittleblackMorgan View Post
                            How do they get the horses to step that way? ...Isnt it un-natural to move like that? Snappy knees and whatnot?
                            No, it's not un-natural... they're bred to do that.

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                            • #15
                              Oh....I miss taking saddleseat lessons. Way back when, I used to ride a low-back. That was pretty cool!! What a full body work out that was!

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                              • #16
                                One of the most fun rides I've ever had was to take a friend's former saddleseat arab gelding out and ride the nearby trails with a nervous nellie who needed a riding partner.

                                OMG! I was like, "His knees! I SEE his knees!" He was a darling, and I had SO much fun on him that day. Shod naturally, hadn't seen a chain in his life, and trotted like a son-of-a-gun!

                                Probably about as weird as those of us who dress like penguins to ride circles fruitlessly (well, ok, maybe just fruitless for me), then jump some colored sticks and then don crash vests to run at logs and through water when there's a perfectly good path around it all.

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                                • #17
                                  Oh, and OP - here are some Morgans for you to admire (I LOVE the first pic):
                                  http://www.ponysaddle.net/images/pon...2_image035.jpg

                                  http://www.learntoridehorse.com/wp-c...rgan_horse.jpg

                                  http://www.monnington-morgans.co.uk/images/asgard.jpg
                                  http://www.tbhsa.com/index.html

                                  Originally Posted by JSwan
                                  I love feral children. They taste like chicken.

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                                  • #18
                                    This thread = FAIL.

                                    All ASBs have unnatural movement and are forced to pick up their feet with those horribly long toes.

                                    All QHs are peanut pushers.

                                    All TBs are crazy and unpredictable.

                                    All ponies are snots.

                                    All DQs are snobby b!tches.

                                    All Appaloosas have no tails.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by bort84 View Post
                                      , as with any discipline.

                                      A saddle seat horse can have a lovely canter that is a dream to ride.

                                      ...
                                      You will probably never "understand" saddle seat unless you go ride a talented saddlebred someday doing its thing. There are few things more thrilling, in my opinion, than riding a saddlebred through the in gate at a big show. They bloom to the crowd, their necks grow a foot longer, they suck back into your lap and feel like their feet are barely touching the ground. The best truly love to show, and it's an amazing feeling = )

                                      So well said. The canter on my jumper reminds me a lot of my saddlebred's canter when I was a kid - very rocking chair.

                                      Riding ASBs as a kid was such a trip! There is little better than the moment when you pass through the gate at a kick-ass trot and feel your horse light up. Still gives me goose bumps to remember it!

                                      As for how they ride, the balance point is different than hunters. They are supposed to have their neck in your lap, so your weight must shift back some to accommodate and encourage that.

                                      A good saddle seat eq rider is lovely to watch. Their legs aren’t out in front – they are actually pretty much underneath like a western rider’s leg. Hands are higher, but it is because the head is – there should still be the straight line from elbow to bit. I did a lot of SS eq as a kid (was nationally ranked even, qualified for major finals, etc.) and draw a lot on that today doing jumpers & eq. Good riding is good riding.

                                      Here's a video of an eq rider. Maybe not the best example, but not bad either. As in the h/j ring, the pros who ride upteen horses a day aren't as concerned about their eq - and aren't as pretty to watch.

                                      SS folk also have the art of turnout down pat. Good or bad, their horses always look smashing! Some of the h/j world could learn from them.

                                      As for the equipment – we did ride in double bridles, but rarely schooled in them. Normal schooling equipment was a snaffle with 2 reins, one through a running martingale. Brought the big boy out for shows. Saddle pads – I used them on one horse I had, but not so on others. Like others said – unless you have a horse who is in an ill-fitting saddle, or you’re hard on their back, you don’t really need one no matter the discipline. I can’t say I remember our saddlebreds being back sore.

                                      Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it. However – be warned. You might get hooked!
                                      A proud friend of bar.ka.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by JackandMo View Post
                                        This thread = FAIL.

                                        All ASBs have unnatural movement and are forced to pick up their feet with those horribly long toes.

                                        All QHs are peanut pushers.

                                        All TBs are crazy and unpredictable.

                                        All ponies are snots.

                                        All DQs are snobby b!tches.

                                        All Appaloosas have no tails.
                                        You forgot - all warmbloods are dumb.
                                        All hunter riders are talentless stride counters.

                                        (you did get the pony part right, though. )
                                        http://www.tbhsa.com/index.html

                                        Originally Posted by JSwan
                                        I love feral children. They taste like chicken.

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