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  • #61
    God it is so [annoying] when someone deletes their original post. If you don't have the balls to leave it up for people to read after you get your panties all in a bunch then don't freaking post it [edit].
    Last edited by Moderator 1; Jun. 2, 2010, 08:04 AM. Reason: language

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    • #62
      Which is why I think the first person to respond to these threads should quote the whole post in their reply so we will have it for posterity

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      • #63
        Originally posted by SmartAlex View Post
        Which is why I think the first person to respond to these threads should quote the whole post in their reply so we will have it for posterity
        I know. I was sadly disappointed to only see I think ONE snip of it quoted. Booo.

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        • #64
          There's enough quotes on here to reconstruct pretty easily. The original and the later response to suggestions and opinions were longer, of course, but the basic idea is easy enough to follow.

          Except you may have missed the one where she comes back with "I shall ask the mods to close and delete this entire thread". Never happen just because an OP disagrees with the opinions they openly asked for.
          When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

          The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by findeight View Post
            There's enough quotes on here to reconstruct pretty easily.
            Oh I know, I definitely figured out what happened. It just irks me to no end.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by dmalbone View Post
              God it is so [annoying] when someone deletes their original post. If you don't have the balls to leave it up for people to read after you get your panties all in a bunch then don't freaking post it [edit].
              You can get it from google for at least a few days.

              http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a
              Last edited by Moderator 1; Jun. 2, 2010, 08:05 AM.

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              • #67
                The vet put him on bute and banamine for the inflammation, along with Ulcergard due to stomach upset from the bute.
                Just FYI, bute and banamine should not be mixed! It's safe to give one or another only.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by dmalbone View Post
                  God it is so [annoying] when someone deletes their original post. If you don't have the balls to leave it up for people to read after you get your panties all in a bunch then don't freaking post it [edit].
                  I love you.
                  Last edited by Moderator 1; Jun. 2, 2010, 08:05 AM.

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                  • #69
                    Occasionally, one needs to delete a post under an alter because other parties to the situation could make life difficult for the OP. But that is the exception, and not the case here, as far as I can tell.
                    I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
                    I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by dmalbone View Post
                      God it is so [annoying] when someone deletes their original post. If you don't have the balls to leave it up for people to read after you get your panties all in a bunch then don't freaking post it [edit].
                      Considering that I didn't see where the OP ever added any responses to the other poster's comments, makes me kinda wonder that the OP was really a troll!
                      Last edited by Moderator 1; Jun. 2, 2010, 08:05 AM.
                      Sue

                      I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people...I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Coreene View Post
                        I love you.
                        Why thank you.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by msj View Post
                          Considering that I didn't see where the OP ever added any responses to the other poster's comments, makes me kinda wonder that the OP was really a troll!
                          I just know a lot of people put a lot of time and effort into helping other posters with their responses. It's just kind of an internet "slap in the face" to basically say "forget it" and delete your stuff or not respond. I got the impression maybe she had made some edits to her original post in response? Who knows, but I hope her horse is ok and her trainer pays for it regardless.

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                          • #73
                            Remember OP, you could have prevented this

                            Well, I'll reconstruct it for you, then.

                            OP has a veteran show horse who has some known PTSD re: trailering in a single stall. He will, however, cruise in a double stall.

                            OP knows this and tells new trainer that this is how it has to be done.

                            Trainer is a good guy in the OP's opinion. The horse is happy at the barn. The trainer is, by the OP's account, is also a bit of a control freak who requires that rig-owning owners nevertheless ship with him.

                            Owner complies with plans to meet them at a show. Trainer screws up, puts the horse in a single stall where he falls once, then again. Second time, trainer pulls over and reconfigures the carpool.

                            Horse gets to show and is seen by the on-site vet. Wound can't be stitched as it is a bit old and/or on a moving part.

                            OP can't show but horse is all right more or less. It will need treatment at home.

                            Trainer is apologetic. But mentions (or the OP asks about?) charges for care for an injury that was the trainer's fault. Show vet gets billing info from the owner.

                            So the question was merely: Is this normal practice? Should I have the trainer pay for all that, or assume the pro would pay bills connected to his mistake?

                            Remember that whatever errors appear here could have been prevented.

                            [edit]
                            Last edited by Moderator 1; Jun. 2, 2010, 08:06 AM. Reason: reference to edited post
                            The armchair saddler
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                            • #74
                              In the spirit of never allowing a killed thread to die..MVP - I think you forgot the part where the trainer let OP know that there would be follow up bills related to aftercare for the horse. In addition to the original vet bill incurred at the show grounds.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Dressage Art View Post
                                And EVERYBODY is to blame, including owner, trainer and a horse. Nobody put a gun to owner's head to trailer like that with her trainer, it was owner's decision . But it's the trainer who was in charge. It's that horse who decided to lie down for whatever reason in a trailer.
                                Originally posted by RockinHorse View Post

                                Really, you are assigning some of the blame to the horse ? Really?
                                Originally posted by Dressage Art View Post
                                That horse is dangerously claustrophobic from previous problems from unfortunate trailer wreck. That is not the "normal" horse who trailers easy and both parties knew that there will probably be problems with this horse in a trailer:



                                If somebody will ever ask to trailer their horse and will tell that their horse was in a trailer wreck and dangerously claustrophobic, my suggestion would be NOT to trailer that horse with any of other horses, unless to a vet. If that means that a rider can't go to a show = it's rider's loss, but a trailer wreck claustrophobic horse should be speared unpleasant trailering experience, unless it's necessary.

                                + A trailer wreck claustrophobic horse who is known to have trailering problems will also negatively affect (endanger) other horses in the same trailer. Why risk it? Owner is lucky that she doesn’t have to pay for vet bills for other horses that were together in the trailer with her "thrashed, flailed, struggled" horse that went down from being claustrophobic.

                                The very first mistake that trainer did is to agree to trailer dangerously claustrophobic horse. The very first mistake that owner did is to agree to let her trainer to trailer dangerously claustrophobic horse.
                                I still don't understand how you can hold the horse partially to blame . The poor horse sounds more like a victim to me.
                                Auventera Two:Some women would eat their own offspring if they had some dipping sauce.
                                Serious Leigh: it sounds like her drama llama should be an old schoolmaster by now.

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                                • #76
                                  Originally posted by RockinHorse View Post
                                  I still don't understand how you can hold the horse partially to blame . The poor horse sounds more like a victim to me.
                                  Horses are people too. Or are they? I'm confused.

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                                  • #77
                                    Nope, not a troll. I'm a very longstanding and active member of this forum. I just didn't want the trainer bashing to continue spiraling out of control, and seeing as how I have gotten a fairly even consensus out of everyone on the issue I actually wanted input on, I consider the matter closed.

                                    Thanks AGAIN to everyone for their opinions. It has all been taken to heart, given due consideration and I will be speaking with my trainer this week.

                                    Carry on if you wish... I won't be returning to add any more input.

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                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by RockinHorse View Post
                                      I still don't understand how you can hold the horse partially to blame . The poor horse sounds more like a victim to me.
                                      Absolutely, I agree that horse is the victim here. But how can you not see that horse with this kind of history should have never been trailered with other horses not to endanger other normal horses with out trailering problems? Would you risk trailering a dangerous in a trailer horse with any of your horses?

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                                      • #79
                                        Originally posted by dmalbone View Post
                                        God it is so douchey when someone deletes their original post. If you don't have the balls to leave it up for people to read after you get your panties all in a bunch then don't freaking post it sissy.
                                        I agree. So I found it cached, took a screen shot, and copied it here:

                                        Originally posted by hAlterTop
                                        A little background on my horse - he is a veteran show horse and has been trailered a LOT in his lifetime. He was in a trailering accident several years ago, before I got him, and apparently the trailer was t-boned and rolled. It was a two horse straight load. When I purchased him, he came with instructions to always trailer him in a larger trailer i.e. two stalls or in a stock trailer.

                                        Over the years I have tried various things with him, and found out that he does indeed panic when he is confined to a single stall in a trailer. So I always hauled him in two stalls, or completely loose when I had no other horses (3 horse slant).

                                        I recently put him in training with a wonderful trainer who is doing an excellent job with him, and the care is beyond excellent. I have no complaints. However, the trainer is a bit of a control freak, and pretty much refused to let me haul my own horse to shows this year. We had a very long discussion about his history and needs, and I was assured he would ALWAYS haul him in a double stall, and everything would be ok. I trusted him to follow through on this.

                                        So, in April, we went to our first show. The trainer followed our agreement and hauled him in an oversize stall. My horse hauled quiet and calm both ways, barely moved a muscle. Apparently this led my trainer to believe I was possibly exaggerating my claims about his need for a larger stall, or he was suddenly "cured," so on the way to the second show of the year, he put him in a single stall, so he could give the larger stalls to some of the larger horses.

                                        My horse panicked and laid down - twice - getting caught under the dividers and being injured. (Thank GOD none of the other horses were hurt!!!) The trainer stopped the trailer the second time he went down and rearranged the horses, putting him into a larger stall, and they went the rest of the way without incident. Upon arrival to the show, he had the show vet come look at him because he was injured. He had a very deep gash on a front ankle that should have been stitched, but couldn't due to its location (and when I saw him two days after the accident, it was still bleeding). The vet put him on bute and banamine for the inflammation, along with Ulcergard due to stomach upset from the bute.

                                        My trainer was extremely apologetic and feels terrible. He took responsibility for everything, and told me from now on, my horse would be hauled in the larger stall, and this would never happen again. I was VERY upset upon hearing what happened, and we had a long discussion about it. I feel good about the outcome of our talk, and I know this won't happen again.

                                        However, as I was leaving the show today, the show vet came up to me to get my address to mail me the bill. And my trainer mentioned the additional drugs and medication my horse required due to the injuries - which I assume will be on my June bill.

                                        Should I be paying these bills that I would not normally be getting, had my trainer followed my instructions, and our agreement on how my horse would be trailered? I know accidents happen, but I feel like this one never should have, and only happened as a direct result of my trainer making the wrong decision.

                                        What are your thoughts?
                                        Michael: Seems the people who burned me want me for a job.
                                        Sam: A job? Does it pay?
                                        Michael: Nah, it's more of a "we'll kill you if you don't do it" type of thing.
                                        Sam: Oh. I've never liked those.

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                                        • #80
                                          Graatan, you're awesome!

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