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  • spooky horse - tell me it will get better!

    So, I bought a Mustang 3 years ago as a 2 1/2 year old, had been ridden by an advanced rider. Rider had taken him on small fox hunts, general rides and a few cross country schoolings. Rode the horse and he was great, small spook at a shadow , but nothing you wouldn't expect from a 2 1/2 year old.
    got him home, rode him an indoor for the first time, was OK until there were strange noises from outside ( another horse rubbing butt on barn ) lots of spooking and wild rides for a few weeks. Settled down, took him to dressage shows, pipe openers , CT and did great!! Next winter, had a spooking episode, ( usually accompanied by cow pies all over the place) then interesting rides for a few weeks, settled down again. He gets so settled that I can take him to competitions and just trot him anywhere on a somewhat loose rein!
    Moved to a new barn, had bad winter, lots of snow falling off roof, settled down well this spring..
    Then last week the pigeons showed up - and he swears they are going to eat him ( they don't help cooing as loud as they can and flapping their wings in the rafters). He gets so upset by them that he craps all the way around the ring when I am just walking him!! So it's not him just being goofy - whenever he's had any of his spooking episodes he ends of crapping lots of loose cow pies. So working on getting him settled down again.
    I just get frustrated and begin to lose motivation as every time we start to settle ( can last 6 -8 months) and start to make gains then we have spooking issues again!!! Now the good thing is each time the response is less and shorter duration, but still occurs.
    My trainer, BO keep reminding me - he is a 6 y/o Mustang and we are doing well, but my brain goes .. Any ideas or words of encouragement????

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    You may want to try him on a bit of gastrogard for a few days when he is going thru something new, shipping to a show, etc. See if that helps.

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    • #3
      I agree with the above. If he is getting ulcers from stress, that makes them act spooky.

      I would even consider something like quietex, or Calm n cool, when schooling at home for a few days. Just something to help him get the edge off while he adjusts to new things. I would expect Mustangs to be hyperalert when exposed to new things, since in the wild, some of those things might eat him. Just keep doing what you are doing. It should get better as he ages.

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      • #4
        Sleep deprivation might also be something to look into. I had a young Arabian gelding who acted very similar to your description for the first few years I owned him--any time a change happened, he was nutty for awhile no matter where we were. Moves, changes in the local wildlife (once pigeons as well, and once a very talkative feral cat that upset him for some reason moved in), barn remodels, etc. all would result in a spooky mess of a horse for a few weeks at least, no matter what we were doing.

        I found this out quite accidentally, but I started keeping him in a pasture with a very self-assured alpha mare and gelding pair. Rather quickly I started seeing him lay down to sleep (he had laid down in the past judging by mud and shavings in his hair, but I'd never seen it so I'm guessing it wasn't for long as I have always kept him at home), and he calmed down to a huge degree. He's still what I would consider a nervous horse, but he can handle it now and settles down to work quickly and easily, and seems much happier and more relaxed in general, even when at shows or working alone.

        I don't know if that's the case with your horse at all, but I figured I'd suggest it in case it might apply.
        exploring the relationship between horse and human

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        • #5
          I have been using smartcalm from smartpak on my spooky horse, and after a month, I have noticed a difference.

          Good luck.
          save lives...spay/neuter/geld

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            #6
            I have added VitaCalm to his feed which for a while seemed to make a difference but not sure now.
            I'm not sure about his sleeping habits, I'll have to ask the barn owner as she is very attentive to what the horses are doing. I do know I catch him cat napping in his stall and he will fall asleep with me on cross ties -- but then he lovs me to groom him and relaxes completely!!Even if he is really worked up fo rsome reson on cross toes ( storms, mowers, etc) I can get him to relax, if not even go to sleep through grooming.
            I feel so bad at times when he spooks as it's not the : I'm just trying to be a brat" spook, he is actually scared., But when he gets in these episodes it is quite difficult to convince him that the entire workd isn't trying to eat him!

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            • #7
              He was foxhunted as a 2 1/2 year old? Wow.

              That aside, When in the arena, or in work of any kind, I would make sure his attention was always on me. Drive him from the inside leg to the outside rein, ALWAYS. If his attention wanders, bring it back by opening the inside rein, steady the outside, and drive him to that outside rein with your inside leg. -- no mooning around looking outside the arena, if there is a thing in the arena he's concerned about, let him look at it for a moment, then circle him by it, and expect him to get back to work. He does not trust you enough to know that you would not ride him by something that is not dangerous to him. You have to show him you are trustworthy, and that that outside rein is always there for him.

              Change things up, he could be getting bored, and his attention wanders. Drive to the outside rein.

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              • #8
                I would suspect something may be missing in his diet. We have a very spooky mustang here for training. We added Se-E-Mag and saw a huge difference. I wanted to put him on a ration balancer, but he is very sensitive to grain changes...not good. He also has an ulcer problem and owner has him on SmartGut. Owner gives 1 tube UlcerGard for big transitions (moving, etc) and 1/4 tube for smaller changes for a period of time.

                We tried VitaCalm with him and, for some reason, it made him worse. I use UlcerAid by Animed for some of our others (almost the same ingredients and quite a bit less expensive). It just has 1/2 the tryptophan.

                OP was he a wild mustang or bred in captivity? I ask because most mustangs I've encountered (the wild) are steady eddies when they're trained. The mustang we have here was captive bred and can be very spooky. He had EPM and was treated for it, so I've been blaming the EPM. Just makes me very curious.

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                  IMAX - you pretty much described our ride today. Pigeons came back and threw him into a mild tizzy. Luckily they were at the far end of the ring. So I made a very intentional half ring where we had to ride to the letter before making a turn. Lots of insode leg to outside rein althgouh I did have to do a fair amount with the inside to keep him bent in the correct direction -- he tends to want to look out instead of in.
                  Once we were done under saddle I hand walked him down by the pigeons, letting them fly over us while he remained calm. Plan is to keep this up, gradually making the "ring"larger, right now the last 5-10 feet of our "ring" starts to put him in his uneasy zone, but he works through it with me.

                  LauraKY - He was a wild Mustang, captured at 4 months. I've believed that he has ulcers as he cribs after eating and when he gets nervous ( or mad at me). So I'm wondering about trying the ulceraid -- may help the issue. I'll have to look at the feed he is on to see the Mag-Sel- E balance.

                  I know Ive seen the reports about the Mustangs becoming steddie eddies, which is what I'm hoping will eventually happen. His behavior does continually improve but it just gets so frustrating to wax and wane.

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                  • #10
                    I wouldn't be adding Selenium to a horse's diet unless I checked with the vet first, it can be toxic.

                    Personally, I would add a calcium/magnesium supplement in a 2:1 ratio. It something that a young horse needs more of than a mature horse. It may take a couple weeks for it to get into your horse's bloodstream but it's a natural muscle relaxant and should calm him down. Please remember that if he's not doing this to get your goat--he just can't help himself. The supplement should help.
                    "Don't blame Hogg or the other teens. The adults are supposed to know better. If only we could find any." ~Tom Nichols, professor of national security affairs at the Naval War College~

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                      Cherry- that why I feel so bad -- I know he isn't trying to get me most of the time, it is a true actual fear. I need to look at the cal/mag balance in the supplements I give him. I do know the nightmares of Sel toxicity - saw my friend's horse when she didn't monitor the levels.

                      Update for today is I rode him outside in a field that he had never been in, and except for looking at the neighbors doing yard work ( thankfully did not involve machinery!) he was great. WTC in both directions, a little concerned with all the stuff on the BO deck that is in the shade, but otherwise great. Guess I'll be melting outside while riding him out there for awhile ( I've been so spoiled riding inside out of sun for years!) Course I need to work on my tolerance to riding outside anyway so I don't completely melt at shows.

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                      • #12
                        As others have said... Ulcers would be pretty high up on my list as well....

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