• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Conformation critique please!

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Conformation critique please!

    .
    Last edited by Milo19; May. 28, 2010, 11:53 AM.

  • #2
    He's cute, but in your vid he looks off at the trot.

    Comment


    • #3
      Despie his gangly appearance, this is quite a nice horse I think. I can't see the video so I'm going by the photos only.

      He is well balanced with clean straight legs. His head is proportionate to his neck to his shoulder, trunk, and hind quarters. He has a level balance or maybe slightly up hill. The point of his hock is level with the chestnut of his front legs. If you drop a plumb line from the front of his wither, his elbow is at the plump line. His neck ties well to his shoulder, where the bottom of the neck is at/slightly above the point of shoulders.

      The two things I don't quite like is his shoulder/hip angle is not slopy enough for my taste but it's by no means bad and once under correct training, that could change. And if I want to be really picky, I'd say his back is tad long. But again, not bad at all and once under correct training and build up some muscle at his top line, that can all change too.

      Overall I think this is a very very nice youngster. He needs some grocery but I think he will turn out to be rather nice once put on some weight and under correct training to fill out some top line.

      Comment


      • #4
        I can't tell anything from the pics you've posted--they're too dark, can barely make out the horse. Take him outside and take a couple pics, please....
        "None of us can move forward if half of us are being held back." ~Anonymous~

        Comment


        • #5
          What do you want to use him for? Also, have you already purchased him, or is he still under consideration? I don't see any glaring issues that would make him more likely to be unsound, but there are some things about him I don't love. A lot depends on what you'd be planning to do with him and also how much you like his brain.

          Comment


          • #6
            He looks straight up and down, and he's standing like his feet hurt. I don't like those angles - looks like he trots like a jack hammer... however, I didn't watch the vid, can't at work. Something's wrong with his feet, and his back and neck are crouched to compensate.
            Airborne? Oh. Yes, he can take a joke. Once. After that, the joke's on you.

            Comment


            • #7
              I think he's very cute.

              His pasterns look pretty upright and I wonder if the angles on his front feet are causing him problems. It's hard to see clearly because the photos are dark and he's not on a hard surface.

              There wasn't much to watch in the video. He looks off to me but the quality of the video and the amount of time he's shown makes it difficult to evaluate.
              Equine Ink - My soapbox for equestrian writings & reviews.
              EquestrianHow2 - Operating instructions for your horse.

              Comment


              • #8
                The pictures are to dark to really tell but the video, what was of it, he does look like he is off or sore somewhere but its hard to tell. Get some better pics and video.
                Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

                Comment

                • Original Poster

                  #9
                  Thanks everyone!

                  I apologize for the quality of the pictures and video. It was dark in the arena and my camera isn't the best for indoor footage.

                  I thought I noticed a bit of an off somewhere in the front. It's difficult to tell because he has quite a springy trot, and the video is unsteady. I do know that when I ride him, he looks 100% sound, if that makes any difference. Could it just be a lack of balance on his own? Because when I ride him together, he appears sound.

                  How big of an issue are these things for his overall potential? I want him to be an eventer.

                  Thanks!

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    He seems to have a clubby foot? Maybe that's why he's uneven.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Hard to tell without better photos and video.

                      Few horses are perfect and even perfect horses aren't always sound . In fact there are many non conformationally correct horses that stay sound and are very athletic. There's nothing hugely glaring. If he's a bit upright that could be fixed with corrective shoeing. If he's off, you'll need to figure out why.

                      Even with some conformational challenges he could do just fine. I think the test comes when you have him in work doing the job that you want to do and see how he holds up.

                      Most horses can compete just fine at novice and training level. I don't know what your goals are for him.

                      Kudos to you for taking him in.



                      Originally posted by Milo19 View Post
                      Thanks everyone!

                      I apologize for the quality of the pictures and video. It was dark in the arena and my camera isn't the best for indoor footage.

                      I thought I noticed a bit of an off somewhere in the front. It's difficult to tell because he has quite a springy trot, and the video is unsteady. I do know that when I ride him, he looks 100% sound, if that makes any difference. Could it just be a lack of balance on his own? Because when I ride him together, he appears sound.

                      How big of an issue are these things for his overall potential? I want him to be an eventer.

                      Thanks!
                      Equine Ink - My soapbox for equestrian writings & reviews.
                      EquestrianHow2 - Operating instructions for your horse.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Are his feet really that upright naturally?
                        "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
                        ---
                        The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          When you evaluate a horse, you really need to look at the overall balance of the horse first, and then move on to specific parts. Overall he is very well balanced. All his major body ratios are decent and most body angles are good.

                          His head looks too big at the first glance but that is really the illusion of him grossly lacking muscle on his neck, and lacking fitness overall. So is the slight dip in front of his wither.

                          Like I said, his shoulder angle/hip angle seem upright, and that also reflects on his pasturn angle (they tend to mimic each other). However, since his front legs placement are close to ideal, I will bet once he is under correct training, the angle will change for the better, and with decent trimming, so will the pasturn angle.

                          I think you will be very happy with him, assuming he has a good mind that is.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Try to get some footage of him under saddle or at least on a lunge. OUTSIDE.

                            I am going to reserve judgement. I can't even see the potos, too dark. In the video he does not take enough consecutive steps at the trot to show much of anything, need to see a lap of that ring in an unrestricted trot to decide. 10 slow steps and stopping doesn't get the job done as far as evaluation.

                            Right now, all I can see is he moves short and stabby in front and does not take the same size step. That could mean he is lame, could be the result of straight angles and short bone or it could be he just is not stepping out enough for long enough to get going and he is just backed off.

                            Can't tell.
                            When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                            The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

                            Comment

                            • Original Poster

                              #15
                              New photos (and videos to come) in this thread:

                              http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=258779

                              Comment

                              • Original Poster

                                #16
                                Bump.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X