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  • Checking references...

    I am in the midst of checking references for the dozen people that are interested in the 8yo TB stallion I have to giveaway. I had about 30 interested parties (from an ad posted elsewhere), of which I suspected about this dozen or so had ever even handled a stallion.

    My question: How in depth are the questions allowed/ supposed to be? How much do you rate personal situations that are not horse related but speak of character? ie.. In googling one name I found a court case in which the prospective adopter's boyfriend bought a mobile home from owner- didn't pay it off- moved the house so it couldn't be found- left it unassembled and to the elements, so now it is worthless to either party. Her name is listed in court documents as she was involved in the sale and testified in court case, but was not on the bill of sale or responsible for payments. I've also found a few other monetary issues. And the references she gave for feed/vet are from a few years ago and she does not use them anymore? She said she lives in middle of nowhere and gives her own shots, etc and doesn't need a vet unless for emergencies. Yet if you are breeding- don't you have one out for checkups, foal checks, etc? I know this is red flag 1-8 but I had to ask anyway! ugh!

    It seems of the 30 people- NOT ONE is in a place that I would let the stallion go. Ok there is one but they are dragging their feet so not sure that would work out either.

    This reference checking thing has totally bombed almost every home I had hoped for him! Something better come through soon bc he really needs to go!

    Any opinions or other places I can go to /advertise to get this guy a good home that actually has a pasture for him and not a round pen for lifelong turnout?!? I really didn't think it was too much to look for! He is in a 2ac field now with geldings on either side and mares about 600' away and loves life.

  • #2
    I think that you are doing the right thing, even if it is taking longer than you had hoped.

    I wish I checked references on some former boarders, it would have saved me lots of headaches! Some people are very talented about only showing the side of their personalities that they want you to see. Sooner or later, the other side always finds its way out!

    Definitely go with the references and your gut instinct, you'll be able to sleep at night knowing that you did the right thing.

    I'm hoping that you find that special home for him soon!


    • #3
      His best chance at finding a good home would probably be as a gelding. If you can afford it, I would geld him now and then look for a home.

      Honestly, I would seriously consider euthanasia before I would place him in the homes you describe. Not to be harsh, be a good life with a quick and painless end is much kinder than many alternatives.

      Jingles for both of you!


      • #4
        Originally posted by tuckawayfarm View Post
        His best chance at finding a good home would probably be as a gelding. If you can afford it, I would geld him now and then look for a home.
        . . .
        Ditto. Stallions need specialized care, and seem to attract starry eyed types. Geld him and you increase the number of places he can go and broaden the types of people who might be interested.

        (He really quit paying and then dissassembled it?! I'd give that one and the GF a wide berth)
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        • #5
          I wonder how many of your crazies/duds are people who were hoping to keep this horse intact and how many were people who were intending to geld him. My guess is that most of the crazies are in category one?
          Head Geek at The Saddle Geek Blog http://www.thesaddlegeek.com/


          • #6
            I think that the only responsible thing to do would be to geld him. That expands his possible universe of adopters to include many people who are smart enough to know that THEY DON'T have a place to keep a stallion. By having him intact, you are probably excluding many of his best rehoming options. Ya know?
            I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
            I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09


            • Original Poster

              Yes. I don't mind gelding him. I am trying to place him for his owners. They breed him, raced him, and still own him. They laid him up here until we could find a great home for him bc he won so much money on the track. They are very responsible owners!

              They wanted to possibly retain breeding rights to their select racing mares IF it worked out that way- but said a great home is preferred to them breeding him. I know they would agree to geld him. I should have done it in March when it started to warm up here but had a perfect home for him at that time and he was supposed to be picked up by the end of March. Since then- that lady backed out without even contacting me to tell me so. I held on to him another month in case she came through- but no balls to even let me know she couldn't take him anymore.

              So here were are in May with no good homes. Jn4jenny- every. single. person. (crazy or not so much) intends to breed him. It's very scary. He's such a wonderful horse and mover - I thought he would compliment an elite sporthorse program. But I won't send him to a backyard breeder to add numbers to our rescues. (no offense- I have 2 mares I have backyard bred myself- it's just a general term...). Ok- off to call the vet. I had grand intentions of finding him this palace of a home....


              • #8
                In this economy, the palatial homes are filled, w/ waiting lists.

                Horse (and owners) are fortunate to have you looking out for him.
                I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
                I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09


                • #9
                  Geld him before you do anything about placing him. If you don't geld him before you place him, you will be responsible for helping put an untold number of horses at risk for years to come.

                  I can hear the excuses now..."I didn't know that he would leave his grassy pasture to breed the mare down the street", "A breeder/vet/farrier/trainer on an internet horse forum said a stallion these days won't breed without human help, so we thought he was safe to pasture with the rescued mare we got at the auction a couple of months ago", "The neighbors have a really loud Appy, and offered me $50 to breed to our guy because we were told that if the mare could foal color she could be registered".

                  Do the right thing and geld him now.


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DiablosHalo View Post
                    ... every. single. person. (crazy or not so much) intends to breed him.
                    Well, that's kinda the whole point of having a stallion.

                    If he's worth breeding, he's worth having a purchase price. If you wanted him to end up in an "elite" sport horse breeding program, offering him as a giveaway probably wasn't the way to make that a likely probability.


                    • #11
                      I would say either geld him (which increases your pool of potential takers by a LOT) or put a price on him and really market him.

                      Good on you for doing the background checks though.
                      "smile a lot can let us ride happy,it is good thing"

                      My CANTER blog.


                      • #12
                        Kudos to you and his owners for looking out for him.

                        I have to admit "8 yo giveaway TB stallion" presents a much different picture than "8 yo well bred, great moving athletic TB stallion with potential for race or sporthorse breeding".

                        Best of luck!


                        • #13
                          It's the economy! Even nice stallions are being taken out of breeding, gelded, and ridden. The fact of the difficulty of placing him as a stallion may be partially a reflection of the fact that he's free, but it's just as much a reflection that responsible stallion owners aren't even breeding what they already own right now, or breeding a lot less.
                          I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
                          I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09


                          • #14
                            I can't believe that some may still fall for that old scam breeders pull, be it with dogs, horses or whatever.

                            I sell you this breeding animal, but then you have to provide me with breeding services and/or offspring.

                            So, you get to do all the work and the breeder gets to enjoy some of the fruits of your labor, all because they were nice enough to sell you the breeding animal.

                            Until people figure they can go buy what they want that they own without strange strings attached.

                            Any really good breeder today I expect is not interested in your stallion, they have their own or some really top stallion they already have breedings to.
                            The rest are a question mark as breeders.

                            I agree, if the owners don't want to keep him and keep breeding themselves and can't find a good breeder that wants him, gelding him and retraining him may give him a wider market.


                            • #15
                              Well, I personally wouldn't discount a potential home because someone the person DATED at one time did something stupid. If she was part of the transaction, though, that might be a different story.

                              That said, what skills does this 8 year old horse have besides being able to breed mares? If he is truly a good minded, great mover and that is his ONLY current skill, I *might* not geld him, that is, unless you have the time and resources to re-school him as a riding horse. The market is tough either way, of course, and I agree that a horse that is useful for a junior or ammy has the best shot at a good home, but putting that education on a mature horse is neither quick nor cheap.
                              We move pretty fast for some rabid garden snails.


                              • #16
                                Get some nice photos, put up a few ads with a decent pricetag.. and if he's as nice as you say, he'll probably fly off the shelf (out of the stall? lol). People looking for breeding animals probably aren't checking out the give-aways.. (some may, but usually probably not).