Knowonder (April) update...she is at peace--updated 3/7/03 10am

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Heineken

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Mar. 6, 2003, 06:50 AM

Checking in...have been following along closely!

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Mar. 6, 2003, 06:54 AM

Good morning--was with my girl until about 5 this morning--she is a little worse but refuses to give up so I won't either for now.

Her temp is back up in the 103-104 range, and for the first time she's showing no interest in any food--hay, alfalfa, carrots, treats--nothing. The pulses are back though not as strong. What worries me most is her heart. It is POUNDING--not rapid--just extremely forceful--each beat makes her entire front end move--if you put your hand on her chest or neck it will "bump" it with each beat--For the first time last night, she looked like a sick horse that I could lose.

She is just exhausted, is flipping her lip in mild discomfort and just cannot get comfortable--she is still drinking bucketfuls of water and her urine is getting a touch lighter--she has also kept the little bit of color that crept back.

I honestly don't know what to think--I just know she is waging a battle that is exhausting her--I feel that the next 24 hours will be the telling point. She can't keep this up with no appetite and with nothng improving.

Thanks so much for all of your thoughts and prayers and input--they have been and will continue to be my lifeline to sanity.

Sara

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Mar. 6, 2003, 06:57 AM

I truely hope they can come up with an answer which saves you the stress, and helps her with her battle. Until then I am praying that she stays strong. Hang in there for whatever the day may bring.

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Mar. 6, 2003, 06:57 AM

Oh Sara! Every couple of hours I run over to this thread to find out if there's any more news. I opened it this morning with trepidation I am sending some mojo April's way and will be checking back often.

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Mar. 6, 2003, 07:05 AM

Sara,
you and April are in my thoughts. just don't forget to get a good breakfast and catch a nap. prayers continue.
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#126

Mar. 6, 2003, 07:07 AM

Sara I keep checking it also.
A friend almost lost a mare, the Vet had scheduled to come back and put her to sleep.
He could not figure out what was wrong with her, except he thought it was cancer.....?
He gave my friend massive amounts of Pred to give the mare in the meantime and within hours the mare was better.
That was two years ago.

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Mar. 6, 2003, 07:07 AM

Oh Sara, my thoughts and prayers are with you and April today.

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#128

Mar. 6, 2003, 07:20 AM

I don't have much to add either, other than my well wishes to you and your mare! I've been following this thread avidly and sending well wishes your way.

I hope the next 24-hours has her back on her feed and nickering for more carrots!

Good luck!
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Mar. 6, 2003, 07:24 AM

Just checking in to see how April is doing. Here's hoping that she will turn the corner today and start improving.

(((((BIG HUGS))))) to both Sara & April.

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Mar. 6, 2003, 07:27 AM

I am sending healing vibs to you and April. Keep fighting, mare!
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Mar. 6, 2003, 08:00 AM

I also have no advice, but I will be sending good healing thoughts in April's direction.

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Mar. 6, 2003, 08:09 AM

Sara,

Goodness...I am so sorry. You and April have had a heck of a night.

I need to preface the following with my concern that any medical-type comment that I make is not helpful for you. Whenever I post any comments to that effect, I always wonder if they are more of a bother or of an annoyance rather than of help. So please let me know if they are bothersome.

So here goes...

It does not sound like any addition lab values are available this A.M., so these comments are offered without that information. Futhermore, I am making the assumption that April still is on high-dose steroids and that she is urinating a lot.

If that is the case, then at this point, her excessive drinking and pounding heart could be due to the high-dose steroid treatment, as follows:

High-dose steroids in humans can essentially induce diabetes/glucose intolerance (which is reversible once they are taken off the steroids).

What this means physiologically is that due to the steroids the patients can no long metabolize glucose properly, resulting is excessive glucose in the bloodstream. The high glucose levels in the blood in turn, results in excessive urination as the kidney filters out this excessive blood glucose. The urine then will have very high glucose levels. (This is very easy to test for in humans - just do a urine glucose "dipstick")

The excessive urination results in excessive drinking as a means of replacing all the water loss with all the urination.

Furthermore, even though the patient may be drinking excessively, this increased volume intake might not be keeping pace with all the urination-based volume loss.

Essentially, what has happened at this point is that the patient is in a state of relative intravascular "volume depletion". This volume depletion, in turn, would result in the heart beating harder and faster in order to keep up with the circulatory demand in the face of a smaller intravascular volume.

So based on what you have described with April, and some assumptions on my part as mentioned above, at least some of her symptoms this morning could be attributable to the high dose steroids.

But like I said before, please let me know if this kind of "cheap seat" input from a non-vet is either a bother or is not helpful.

You and April are in my thoughts.
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Mar. 6, 2003, 08:28 AM

Whistlejacket--not at all--I love all the input and you are correct on all counts of your assumptions. I am meeting with the vet this afternoon to see where we go from here--if you can think of anything pertinent to ask, please don't hesitate to let me know--and that goes for ANYONE!

With much appreciation!

Sara

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Mar. 6, 2003, 08:36 AM

Sara, I am sorry to hear that April is still so sick but I wouldn't worry to much about the loss of appetite at this point. I may be a good thing as if her gut is slowed down with this sicknesss you would have the worry of colic along with everything else. As long as she is getting lots of fluids to flush her system that is the most important.

I am jingleing for yu and April, hang in there.

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Mar. 6, 2003, 08:39 AM

I keep checking this thread, but haven't posted to it because it's so frustrating to not have some miracle solution to offer. It sounds like you're really doing everything you can, and for what it's worth, I truly believe that their willingness to fight counts for more than any treatment. Once they give up, forget it, nothing's going to work, but if they're still fighting, they can overcome a lot. I can't imagine going through this with one of mine-good luck to you and April. She has a lot of people pulling for her, at least!

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Mar. 6, 2003, 08:41 AM

Sara,

I wanted to let you know how much Aiden and I are praying for April. I spoke to you two days ago and left you a phone message last night. We are spreading the word to our prayer chains. I can not offer any help with medical advice but I can return the favor you gave me. I can help support you and pray for you. I have been offline for several days, but been keeping up.

Joey is going out of town this weekend and if you need anyone to come up and help cook for you or pull shifts at the barn, me and wonder-baby are packed and ready. Just say the word.

Be sure to pack whatever treat you can in the goody bag Aiden and I made for you and April. You know the one with the cheesy jumping April on it. HAHA. (and the gator colors)

You are in our hearts and am thinking about you two all the time. Hugs and love,
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Mar. 6, 2003, 09:13 AM

Still here, checking every chance I get. Still praying for your April and trying very hard to send strengthening thoughts to you.

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Mar. 6, 2003, 09:21 AM

Praying for you and April, Sara. And jingling of course! Oh how I pray for a miracle cure!!!

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Mar. 6, 2003, 09:26 AM

Sara - Still checking this thread to hopefully see some good news about April. My good thoughts are STILL with you! - Libby

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Mar. 6, 2003, 09:28 AM

still jingling and praying for you Sara and April.
stay strong good mare.
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