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Knowonder (April) update...she is at peace--updated 3/7/03 10am

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  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by second chance:
    I would tend to think of the dark urine as a result of dehydration.

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    The dark urine is due to the massive amounts of hemoglobin from the hemolysis of red cells.

    I hope the mare is getting IV fluids to minimize the detrimental effects of all that hemoglobin on the kidneys.

    Unashamed member of the Arab clique...just settin' on the Group W bench.
    "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

    ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ghazzu:
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by second chance:
      I would tend to think of the dark urine as a result of dehydration.

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      The dark urine is due to the massive amounts of hemoglobin from the hemolysis of red cells.

      I hope the mare is getting IV fluids to minimize the detrimental effects of all that hemoglobin on the kidneys.

      Unashamed member of the Arab clique...just settin' on the Group W bench.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      one thing to bear in mind is that I think April's BM said the mare was drinking readily. You have to be sensitive that depending upon what the hematocrit and PCV (packed cell volume) demonstrate, too much fluid can be unhelpful. Prayers continue here. The drinking the BM noticed might also be a function of the steroid therapy...
      June
      \"The world\'s greatest achievements often happen on the edge of chaos\"

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      • Maybe I am missing something...but after talking to a few "older" horseman/vets...they suggested something called "black water"???? A form of tying up that causes fever, black urine and odd blood readings??? They also insisted that they do not have to "lock up" behind to show signs of tying up. If I am off the wall...I apologize, but when I read the symptoms to them...three said "sounds like blackwater"....I don't have a clue....

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        • Knowander...first of all, my prayers are with you and your mare. I've been following this for the last couple of days and am so glad there has been an improvement, however tiny.

          I don't really have anything new to add as their are much more knowledgable persons posting here...but reading about the color of her urine made me think about one thing. I have a condition called IGa Nephoprothy...it's an autoimmune kidney disease. Mine, fortunately, is minor at this point (and hopefully will stay that way) but it can be devestating. I have no idea if horses can get this, but I know that upper respiratory and strep infections trigger kidney inflammation for me. You've said they're dealing with it as an autoimmune issue so I'm wondering if it could be something similar. Maybe she got an infection of some type (that wouldn't greatly affect another horse) and thus the "coca cola" colored urine (actually red blood cells). That exact thing happens to me. Anyway, I'll be anxious to hear tomorrow if she's still improving!

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          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by June:
            one thing to bear in mind is that I think April's BM said the mare was drinking readily. You have to be sensitive that depending upon what the hematocrit and PCV (packed cell volume) demonstrate, too much fluid can be unhelpful. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            I'm aware of that. I still regard the massive dumping of hemoglobin in the kidneys to be a situation that would benefit from diuresis.

            Unashamed member of the Arab clique...just settin' on the Group W bench.
            "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

            ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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            • Hope the news continues to get better each time you check her. Hang in there!

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              • Jingling and praying

                Jingling and praying...

                What a heart this mare has! And what an immune system!

                I truly believe that every minute she stays alive is another minute she is finding a way to get closer to normal...hoping for a truly positive update...

                take care...
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                • I've been thinking of you a lot today...wracking my brain trying to think of anything to suggest. I came up with nothing, but LD had an interesting post...

                  I'll keep you and your mare in my prayers. I know how special those mares can be

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                  • Knowonder My thoughts are with you. I'll never forget when my mare had to have colic surgery the emotions one goes through. The not knowing.
                    You and your wonderful April are in my thoughts and I'm jingling very hard.

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                    • If you go to http://www.merckvetmanual.com/ and explore, you find there are literally dozens of disease/syndromes that include blood in the urine, icterus as symptoms in equids. The hopeful thing, however, is that there is comprehensive information regarding each and every disease process to assist in diagnosis.
                      I'll be thinking of you, Know-wonder woman, in the wee hours.
                      June
                      \"The world\'s greatest achievements often happen on the edge of chaos\"

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                      • Poor April! I hope the slight improvement is just the first step towards recovery. Sending lots of jingles your way.

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                        • Waiting for an update....

                          You have my prayers. Can you post a picture of her for us, so we know what she looks like?

                          Come on, miss April!!!!

                          &gt;^.,.^&lt;
                          ~~Linda


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                          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I know these are all tiny signs but she's still alert and fighting. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
                            Knowonder, right now small and tiny positive signs are a blessing. Here's hoping they are followed by even bigger and better signs.

                            Hang in there, both of you; I'll hold a good thought for you and April.

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                            • Been thinking about you and April alot, hope for some more positive signs this morning! Jingling away here.

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                              • Wow, I sure hope April is better this morning...

                                luckyduck...your comment rang a bell, unfortunately, I can't dredge up a clear memory..but...

                                I know I've seen some of these symptoms, including the dark urine (in a gelding...?) and it seems to me that it was accompanied by a great deal of discomfort when urinating; however, that's where the cobwebs take over, and I can't recall where, when, or the whos of the episode. Surely, the horse recovered; I haven't been in on that many fatalities that I would forget that part.

                                Jingling away for knowonder and April....

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                                • Been checking this thread regularly hoping to hear good news. I don't have anything useful to add, but my thoughts and prayers are with you and April. She sounds very special.

                                  "Cross my heart and hope to fly." - AKM

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                                  • Also waiting for news and hoping for a good report this morning!

                                    Glad to hear of the "little" improvements from last night. They sound big to me!

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                                    • I too have been jingling! This sounds so much like what happens to an "NI" foal (I've had 2). The fact that her urine is clearing and she's perky for food is good news...

                                      Hang in there...

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                                      • (that) she will be fiiiiiine.


                                        Thinking of you and your mare as I went about the morning chores...grateful that the 11 are all healthy enough to be causing trouble.

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                                        • knowonder,

                                          Those are all good signs. And while April isn't out-of-the-woods yet, so much with healing and recovering from illness is about tiny little steps...one tiny step at a time. And the little bit of "pinking up" of her gumline...well that is a thing of beauty!

                                          Let us know how it goes.

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