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  • #81
    F8

    Your quote "I figure if I am meant to get rid of him, things will happen and go from there. "

    Umm...hello? me thinks that "things" HAVE happened..how many "signs" do you need to know that this horse is not right for you??

    I don't mean to sound harsh, I have been there done that, but please...think about trading him in!!! Being hurt/killed is not fun.

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    • #82
      F8 - what has been the result of eliminating his grain? This is an important and valid issue to address, whether you keep him or not.

      Also, what is his status as a horse? Did you get a chance to read ESG's post [BTW, has anyone but me noticed the stallion-like tendencies this horse has? The kicking, the savaging himself, the lack of response to discipline. I'm betting he's proud cut. He even looks like a stallion to me. And if, by chance, he is a ridgeling, get rid of him yesterday! There is nothing more dangerous than an undisciplined stallion, and that's basically what you've got here if my theory proves out.]

      This is a serious issue to address. Can you let us know? If you don't know, can you get a vet or qualified horseperson to evaluate his "cut" status?
      __________________
      Where am I going, and why am I in this handbasket?

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        #83
        I haven't seen the barn owner yet to ask her about cutting his grain. Could a blood test show if he is a ridgeling? I am not very familiar with this problem. I have thought from the beginning he has tendancies to act like a stallion. He doesn't seem to get excited by other horses, but that doesn't really mean he couldn't be, right?

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        • #84
          Honey, you need to get out from under this horse. I know people are telling you that there is an answer out there but you're 17 and you didn't sign up for this, you should be having a good time riding and emjoying life, not feeling responsible for this horse that is dangerous to you. I know it feels like there is a solution if you could just figure it out but the reality is that there isn't a horseperson out there who hasn't given up on a dangerous horse and wouldn't tell you it was the best decision they ever made. It's so easy to get caught up: I know one trainer who's a paraplegic and another who has no feeling in one side of her face because they were convinced they could figure that tricky horse out where no-one else could. A lot of people made this horse a problem and it isn't up to you to fix him. I know it hurts but you don't owe him anything. Send him back to the dealer.

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          • #85
            I agree with silver- i'm sure these is some fix somewhere some how at some huge price. but you deserve better. this is NOT the horse for you, get rid of him ASAP!

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            • #86
              First off I would go with number 3. Secondly it sounds to me as if you have a problem pretty close to my trainers. You see we have this grey appendix 16h horse at our barn he was a dream come true when he first came 10 mover nice form you know the hole 9 yards. Well ever since god only knows when he got this thing in his head that says here I'm gonna take you for a ride. He has bucked people off a number of time. He is sinchy as well. He actually broke a girls collar bone and reptured her spline. He is the horse from hell. We dont know what to do with him we sent him for training and everything, acupunctor ect. I hope it all works out for you in the end.

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              • #87
                I agree about the feed suggestions. Take away all carbs out of his diet - oats, sweet feed and corn. A pelleted feed was a good suggestion, perhaps something like Buckeye's Grow & Win. He would be fine with just one pound per day, however you may need to increase his hay supply. Please change the feed first before you make any decision. Change the feed and give him a month, however, you should see a BIG difference within a week or 2.

                I am absolutely amazed by some of the posters that have recommended putting him down. He doesn't sound like a severely dangerous animal to me. Many horses will kick out if you are treating their injured leg, especially if you don't have their complete trust. It hurts for crying out loud and they don't understand that you are trying to help them.

                In the event this horse's personality doesn't improve after changing his diet, then perhaps he is not a good horse for you (or any young rider), but there are a lot of experienced adults out there that would work with a horse like this. Perhaps you can find a trainer with good credentials to buy him. Many trainers don't have a lot of money to spend and are very good and "fixing" problem horses. Better yet, perhaps they can take him on a trial basis to make sure that they get along. If you do sell him, make sure that you have a purchase agreement that describes his "issues", as well as a written RELEASE releasing you from any liability if an injury should occur.

                His behavior does not sound like stallion behavior to me. To me, it sounds like he is uncomfortable or in pain somewhere. I think his problems are physical, not mental. Please give him a chance and CHANGE HIS FEED NOW. Don't delay another day.

                Good luck,

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                • #88
                  I second the motion cut him down to 10% protein and give it time to work. You might also consider hormone shots. It worked wonders for a couple of our throw away horses.

                  High protein feed can make them crazy. And if there is a hormone problem it is easily solved we had a horse very much like you describe he started with a hormone shot every two months and then worked down to once a year and now he's fine with no shots and 10% protein feed.
                  http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org

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                  • #89
                    I am not trying to be rude at all, so please don't take my response that way. But, I think first and foremost you need to get rid of Sam. While you have put lots of work and $$ into him, your life is alot more important than that money, and it sounds like he has tried more than once to take that away from you....and will probably try again. I know you said that you need the $$ from him to get a new horse, but maybe you should hold off on that new horse. Right now I think your first goal should be to get this unsafe horse off your hands. You said it yourself that you are the barn guinea pig...why don't you talk to your trainer about riding other horses until you can save up some money for a new one? As much as I am sure you want a new horse ASAP, i really really think that that should be the last thing on your mind right now. First and foremost, you need to be safe and get ride of this horse.

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                    • #90
                      Just wanted to say - sorry about your goat . I have been impressed by your maturity and openess in this thread, and genuinely wish you well.

                      Take care,

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                      • #91
                        My dear child, GET RID OF THIS DANGEROUS HORSE!

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                        • #92
                          Figure Eight, if you will get rid of that horse, I have a two year old TB filly that you can have. She is not as pretty as your horse, but is SUPER minded and ready to please. We just have to figure out how to get her to you.
                          Trinity Hill Farm

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                          • #93
                            Ok, I'm not flaming you, but you have been given some very good advice, and you don't seem to have followed up on any of it. Diet change is easy; why didn't you talk to the Barn Owner the NEXT DAY? What are you waiting for?

                            I understand you not wanting to make a hasty decision, but...
                            <span class="ev_code_RED">How many times does this horse have to deliberately hurt you before you realize that you need to do something NOW? </span>

                            I am not doubting that you have worked with greenies and crazies before, but there is a difference between a horse who is green and uneducated with a quirk or two and a horse who is downright dangerous.

                            Forget about your ego or emotional attachment; this one is simply beyond you. It has been almost a year, and you have a horse you can't even get on. You can't even handle him safely from the ground. It isn't about you; it is the horse.

                            I suspect that it is not diet, but physical, permanent pain that makes him hateful. Since "money is tight", you will not have the $$$ to diagnose and treat him to make him happy. If euthanasia is not an option, then he needs to go somewhere else; somewhere where they have the money to diagnose what ails him. Even though your intentions are good, you do not have the resources to do what he needs. Send him back so that someone else can do what needs to be done.

                            Whatever you do, you need to do it NOW; you've given him a year, which is more than enough time. You've given a lot to him and he's given you nothing in return. If he was going to change, you would have seen something by now.
                            ~*~Tally Hoooooooo!~*~

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                              #94
                              ride2hounds- My barn owner is a big-time barrel racer, and she has been travelling over the past week (maybe down in Texas???) Everything must go past her before any changes in feed are made, so I definately will talk to her when she gets back.

                              I realize I need to get rid of him, but as a horse owner, I made the commitment to do what is best for Sam. I don't want to send him off to somewhere where he will end up like he was before I got him.

                              I understand that many people think I should get rid of him YESTERDAY, but if you were in my shoes, do you think it would be that easy? Maybe I'm foolish, but I want to do what's best for him, not me.

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                                #95
                                Bentley- Thank you, I got my goat when I was in Kindergarten, so we go way back. I miss him a lot, but I'm glad he's not sick anymore. I have been trying to find a home for my other goat now, as she is heartbroken and lonely.

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                                  #96
                                  I have spent some time thinking and re-reading the replies and I don't think I was clear on something. The thing about Sam is that this horse can be so calm 80% of the time, but then he just seems to have moments where he is downright dangerous. He is almost completely bombproof out on trail, he doesn't get excited when other horses are galloping around in the pasture, or anything of that sort. It just seems like all of a sudden he gets somewhat violent. Yesterday, while I had him out in field, I was at the fence talking with my mother and Sam was on the other side of the field. He started walking towards me, and he pushed me up against the fence, held me there, and started pawing with his front leg at my stomach and leg. I squeezed out and hopped over the fence. I just don't get it, he will be fine one second, then the next has his ears pinned like he's defending himself.

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                                  • #97
                                    He's completely unpredictible, in my opinion thats EXTREMELY dangerous. It's one thing if you know he'll do ---- because of ----, so at least you can be on the lookout.

                                    If your really concerned about who he'll wind up with, the best thing for him is a pasture to himself. RioTex made a nice offer, might be worth looking into.

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                                    • #98
                                      I have not read all of the posts, but one thing to consider is that horses DROOL when they have a ROTTEN TOOTH ROOT. I suggest getting the jaw Xrayed to see if this is the case.

                                      I once had a horse who went really rank on me, as well. Luckily,I had owned him before and knew that even tho he never had been a walk in the park, this was NOT him.

                                      There was about 2-3 mos. while his demeanor slowly went downhill. THEN, the drooling started (much later). He had to have surgery within 10 days of finding the tooth (antibiotics for 10 days to sort of try to clear up infection so they could operate).

                                      I wish this would be the case for you. It was an easy fix. Not to say it was good vs. evil. I mean, he was an ASS before and still as ASS afterwards. But at least he went back to what he was before!

                                      (Sorry to mention -- the surgery was $1,500 ~!)
                                      "If you don't know where you're going, you'll end up somewhere else."

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                                      • #99
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Figure-Eight:
                                        I have spent some time thinking and re-reading the replies and I don't think I was clear on something. The thing about Sam is that this horse can be so calm 80% of the time, but then he just seems to have moments where he is downright dangerous. He is almost completely bombproof out on trail, he doesn't get excited when other horses are galloping around in the pasture, or anything of that sort. It just seems like all of a sudden he gets somewhat violent. Yesterday, while I had him out in field, I was at the fence talking with my mother and Sam was on the other side of the field. He started walking towards me, and he pushed me up against the fence, held me there, and started pawing with his front leg at my stomach and leg. I squeezed out and hopped over the fence. I just don't get it, he will be fine one second, then the next has his ears pinned like he's defending himself. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Honey, this horse is going to hurt you. Get rid of him. Don't wait. And why in the world hasn't your mother said the same thing? Does she want emergency room bills?!?!? I don't care what you say, a horse that does what you describe above is the equivalent of a human psychotic; you'll never know when he's going to maim or kill you, because he is too f(*&ed up in the head to know himself.

                                        Get rid of him.

                                        Now.

                                        I don't want to have to read about you in the newspaper as another tragic horse-related death.
                                        In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                                        A life lived by example, done too soon.
                                        www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                                        • Girl I understand your sense of responsability. Yes, as a horse owner you need to do what is best for him, but as a human being you also need to do what is best for you. And it IS possible to do both. You have said yourself you don't feel comfortable with him anymore. You are under enough other stresses in your life (I know 1st hand). Please, send him back knowing you've done the best you could and it just wasn't meant to be. I know it's hard but you are putting yourself in danger by being around him, and what good will you be for him if he sends you to the hospital?

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