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Between Rounds with Denny Emerson....WARNING THIS IS A RANT!!!

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  • #81
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"he has every chance in the world to prove to ME that he deserves my respect."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    I'm sure earning your respect is high on Denny's list. Right after giving himself an enema.

    "If you don't want people to get your goat, stop telling them where you keep it."
    \"So shines a good deed in a weary world\" - Willy Wonka

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    • #82
      This thread is hilarious.

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      • #83
        [QUOTE]Originally posted by drifting cloud:

        I'm sure earning your respect is high on Denny's list. Right after giving himself an enema.

        QUOTE]


        That was a good one.....and my guess as to why Denny can't be bothered to come here is that he is busy getting all his horses ready for some events this spring.

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        • #84
          Of course Mr. Emerson is correct, however, I feel that the problem is far, far, far and I do mean FAR greater than children lacking horsemanship skills due to busy shedules.

          I have found that many barns are completely full service--they do everything--and it goes WAY beyond feeding and cleaning. They expect for you to pay for services such as grooming, tacking up, etc. What if you actually WANT to do these things? I have been told that most people expect that all the have to do is show up at the barn, hop on and ride. Maybe that's what happens to these pampered children. They become adults and refuse to take an active part in their horses' welfare.

          If you actually want to have a relationship with your horse, you are out of luck. I find it really very sad that people choose not to learn about their horse and care enough to do at least some of the work.

          I am actually suspsicous that the real reason why the barns will not allow you to opt out of full service is because they can charge you enormous sums of money and then pocket the difference. It's just another way to wring more money out of the customer.

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          • #85
            Seal, actually for me it is NOT cost effective to provide the service of tacking up, cooling down, doing blankets, providing grooming etc etc etc. It is a LOSS of income. Our time is more valuable than the hours spent taking care of clients horses. In my case, we provide this service as we thoroughly (myself and the employees) enjoy the horses and tend to them as if they are our own. Since my customers are spread out across the country, I am not sure HOW they could do this themselves. The difference in what we charge is minimal. I encourage local clientele to be an active part of their horses programs, and ONLY in the case of hectic schedules do we provide full service to a customer. In addition, they can always pay for service and still go ahead and groom/tack their horse etc when they are available to do so. As an aside, our lowest paid person makes $8 an hour for manual labor.
            Think about this for a minute. If we charge $600 a month, where IS the profit vs how much we pay help to feed, clean, turn out, do blankets, stalls, AND show clip etc? We break even. The ONLY time we make ANY money is when we either TEACH, PRO RIDE or hook up the trailer and go to the shows and services are paid for.

            Stepping OFF my soapbox now.

            Owner/Trainer of http://www.geocities.com/plumstedequestrianctr/
            Owner/Trainer of http://www.plumstedequestrianctr.com

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            • #86
              BI if I were you I'd admit I was wrong, back away, and relax.

              You are obviously young and maybe not used to your elders comparing what it was like in their day to what it is like now.

              My dad also used to walk 10 miles in the snow to get to school. Times change, and in some instances not for the better. You may have felt Mr. Emerson is stereotyping, perhaps even wrong, maybe even attacking you, but from now on I would further research something/someone before publicly insulting someone.

              One of those awesome lessons you learn when your a teenager is sometimes your wrong. And you grow with each "I'm sorry, I was wrong".

              You can also grow with those instances when you stand up for yourself and believe in what you believe is right. But I don't think this is one of those times.

              If you want to initiate a discussion, do so. there have been plenty of threads discussing articles in the chronicle and further, but the ones who were respected and were actual discussions were ones that were started with a mature manner.

              Smile, go pet each one of those horses on your extensive string, and thank your parents, trainers, friends, etc for allowing you the opportunity. And the 'denny characters' through the ages that paved the way for you to get where you are

              BTW: Stop burning your bridges

              Jennie
              "all these lines fall short of what i had in mind
              a failed attempt to capsulize a feeling
              so i just try fail and try and try again"
              See my albulm Updated 11/11
              Jennie
              \"If you\'re a horse, and someone gets on you, and falls off, and then gets right back on you, I think you should buck him off right away.\"-Deep thoughts by Jack Handy

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              • #87
                Hey, BI, you talk about earning respect from you elders. I tell you what, when you can come out and compete on equal footing with myself, GotSpots, tle, Nevertime, and a bunch of other folks that have run Intermediate, CCIs and higher (I see you never have competed above beginner novice), I will gladly listen to your experience and expertise.

                I am a univeristy professor and I have numerous students between 18 and 40 years old. I know that you, like my students, have a lot of knowledge that I can learn from, but if one of my students EVER treated me the way you have treated this discussion (with insults and whining) I would cease to give them any special consideration and, more likely I would be harder on them in their research. Why? Because I was like you one time and after having my lunch feed to me SO many times by experts in both the university and eventing worlds I got sick and tired of vomiting my foot back up in front of my peers and learned how to listen and read without instant judgment.

                Reed

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                  #88
                  i said this in the evening forum and i will say it here (not in a rude imature disrespectful childish [insert word of choice here] way)

                  i am through with this topic.
                  if i could delete it, trust me i would.
                  i have said i'm sorry many many times.
                  i still stand behind my opinions but do realize i was a 'tad' disrespectful and for that i am sorry.
                  i will no longer be 'contributing to this topic seeing has how it has gotten me or anyone else any where.
                  GOODBYE!

                  -Caroline
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                  • #89
                    showing my age..




                    Jennie
                    "everything has got a sense of permanence attached to it
                    sucks you in and feeds you until finally you're used to it
                    and now you're so dependant
                    now you're so defensive
                    now you're finding reasons why their all wrong"
                    See my albulm Updated 11/11
                    Jennie
                    \"If you\'re a horse, and someone gets on you, and falls off, and then gets right back on you, I think you should buck him off right away.\"-Deep thoughts by Jack Handy

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                    • #90
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>i am through with this topic.
                      if i could delete it, trust me i would.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
                      You are the original poster. As such, you can close a topic whenever you want.

                      "If you don't want people to get your goat, stop telling them where you keep it."
                      \"So shines a good deed in a weary world\" - Willy Wonka

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                      • #91
                        I don't know...it seems like BI is getting slammed for not showing respect to someone as accomplished as Mr. Emerson, but she, by her own admission did not know who the *heck* he was. So, everyone must be angry that a fourteen year-old was not aware of his accomplishments!?
                        True, some of her statements were a little harsh and maybe belonged more in a forum of her peers. But they just didn't seem that severe to me. And I'm not kid. But I "got one" and she'll be 14 in August. Rebelling and pushing the envelope is just what they do. Yeah and "occasionally" get a little disrespectful too!
                        Hey BI I've got a boarder that you remind me of. She goes to college and pays all of her own horse expenses herself and works off her board here with me and also works at another barn every day, before dawn sometimes so she can get our horses done and be to school on time. When I used to board at a show barn years ago I didn't see that many like her, but they are out there. If she leaves to start a career or a family, you can take her place BI!
                        I think that if Mr. Emerson is half the person that people on this board say he is (and I have no doubt that he is) he would probably be happier that someone had the gumption to say what they meant, even if a little overzealously, based upon what he wrote rather than who he was.
                        Just my opinion....

                        As has been said before, it's only a job if you'd rather be doing something else.
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                        • #92
                          no, she didn't know who he was....but soon after she posted, many many people on this board and on the Eventing bb told her who he was....and what his accomplishments were.

                          It's the fact that after she was told this, she replies with things like this:

                          and i am not going to look up anything about him, i realize he posts on these boards and will most likely read what i am saying, so he has every chance in the world to prove to ME that he deserves my respect

                          That shows a tremendous amount of willingness to learn.

                          ---and as I noted on the event thread, her last post suddenly seems to be missing her proclamation about being "O'Connor obsessed" (sic) and something about Pony Club. Maybe when she found out Denny was a big proponent of PC, she decided that she was above it?


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                          • #93
                            I'm quite ashamed at how some adults reacted to BI. You'd think they were the 14 year olds.LAY OFF THE KID AND DON'T SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF. Lesson is over and I think she has gotten your points. I've seen alot of adults rant on this board and seen alot of snide comments too. BI - bravo to you for not backing down, especially with a bunch of adults hitting you from both sides. someday you will go places and you have the ability to question and are obviously not a sheep. Maturity will fine hone all of this, just remember this when you're older and you run into a younster just as determined.

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                            • #94
                              Originally posted by Lilblackhorse:


                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>That shows a tremendous amount of willingness to learn. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              She is not exactly in an enviornment conducive to learning.


                              -Alison

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                              • #95
                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lilblackhorse:
                                no, she didn't know who he was....but soon after she posted, many many people on this board and on the Eventing bb told her who he was....and what his accomplishments were.

                                It's the fact that after she was told this, she replies with things like this:

                                _and i am not going to look up anything about him, i realize he posts on these boards and will most likely read what i am saying, so he has every chance in the world to prove to ME that he deserves my respect_

                                That shows a tremendous amount of willingness to learn.

                                ---and as I noted on the event thread, her last post suddenly seems to be missing her proclamation about being "O'Connor obsessed" (sic) and something about Pony Club. Maybe when she found out Denny was a big proponent of PC, she decided that she was above it?


                                "What the fuh?" Robby Johnson

                                <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                Yeah, well.. like it or not, that's teenagers for you. They are over-intense in arguing their point sometimes. Then if they are corrected in a harsh, self-righteous manner, they rebel even more, and find it impossible to back down, let alone back off. It sounds like perfect conformation to the breed standard to me.
                                BI, I'm certain that people who grew up and went on to change things in the world had more than a few episodes in their teen years like you're having right now. Probably much more than some others who were quite respectful and pleasant and much more acceptable to the adult population and who dutifully revered those that adults told them they must revere.

                                SayCheese, my thoughts exactly. What has been created here by the "adults" is not exactly an environment conducive to learning.

                                As has been said before, it's only a job if you'd rather be doing something else.
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                                • #96
                                  See, and here I was reading the original post and thinking that, for a 14 year old, she expressed herself pretty darn well and refrained completely from using phrases like "NE 1 NO ThIs gUY??!?!?!??".

                                  BI, you have every right to your own opinion and to respectfully disagree with the opinion of another, no matter who the other is. You are even allowed to make rants regarding editorial pieces on message boards. Yes, it's true. Not being willing to blindly follow the advice & opinions of another, no matter how "famous" that individual might be, is a good thing, IMO.

                                  You have every right to be proud of your accomplishments, and to not like your peer group to be painted with one broad brush. If it makes you feel any better, I have no idea who Denny Emmerson is, nor do I care. That isn't an insult to Emmerson, it just means that I don't know who he is and really don't care that I don't know. He may be the greatest horseman who ever lived for all I know. In my business, we have a "D. Wayne Character". (And honestly, I could care less what he thinks, I don't care how famous - or infamous - he might be. )

                                  Stick with "respect your elders" to the extent that you are not bringing harm upon yourself, and I'm sure you will do just fine. And never be made to feel ashamed for expressing your opinions or being proud of your accomplishments.

                                  Two Toofs
                                  (formerly - but still - NDANO)

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                                  • #97
                                    whatever. Those of you who are coming into this thread late obviously haven't read teh whole thing... where MANY people were telling her that it IS ok to have an opinion even one that doesn't go with the "norm", but the way she expressed herself AFTER people told her who Mr. Emerson is (think multiple olympian, decades of breeding training and teaching) was flat out rude and insulting. I too applaud BI for standing up for what she thought was right... however, she went too far when she became disrespectful and rude and yet DEMANDED respect herself.

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                                    • #98
                                      Let me make a generalization, why is it that some teens can find every picture or mention of, say, Orlando Bloom on the web, but can't be bothered to research someone, like hmmm, Denny Emerson, BEFORE they rant? Not saying that BI cares for Mr Bloom, but I'm sure she knows how to use Google.

                                      And Denny, if you're reading any of this, I'm sure you could give Orlando a run for his money.

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                                      • #99
                                        OMG nooooo. Orlando Bloom is soooo HOT!

                                        -Alison

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                                        • So BI, what exactly is your point? Are you saying that there isn't a thread of truth in DE's editorial (BTW do you even know what an editorial is?) and that teens are spending more than 2 hours a day with their horses. That all the teens you know are true horsemen?

                                          The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. Oscar Wilde
                                          The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. Oscar Wilde

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