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  • Is this normal or a sign of poor nutrition/neglect?

    I saw a horse yesterday that was losing his coat in clumps that left his skin virtually bare. You could literally *peel* clumps off in patches, no pulling at all. Touch it and the hair comes off. He's a dark bay, so his skin is black and he was left with what looked like five to ten winter-length hairs in a square inch of otherwise bare skin. There was no summer coat coming in. He's probably in his early 20's, if age is relevant.

    He had these bare patches along his back and hips, mostly. The bare patches were sizable, covering most of the back and starting on the sides and forechest area.

    Is this horse showing signs of poor nutrition/neglect or is this normal for some horses?

    I've only seen shedding in which you can comb or brush out plenty of winter hair, BUT, there's still a proper coat on the horse, including summer coat coming in.

  • #2
    One of my horses used to shed out in such a way that he looked practically hairless along his neck, chest and shoulders every spring. He was a wooly mammoth in the winter so when the hair came out, it was much like you describe if I wasn't currying him regularly (And by regularly, I mean twice a day during shedding season!)
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    • #3
      We have a schoolie that is somewhere around 20 years old that sheds like this every year......He was actually the BO's mare's foal so we have had him his entire life and he always sheds like this. We decided he molts not sheds. Absolutely not a thing wrong with the horse, but dear god does he look something awful right now (mid shed). Not saying there isn't something skin why's on the horse you are talking of, but some just shed like this.

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      • #4
        It might be an age thing. The old guy is in his early to mid twenties and Cushingoid, I have to say he looks pretty ratty right now, going bald in all kinds of wierd places with curly tufts elsewhere. I bathed him with the Head and shoulders and am oiling his patches with vitamin E, along with adding flaxseed oil to the diet, but it is definitely not rain rot, just thinning hair patches. The skin in the thinning patches is soft and supple, no flaking after the bath, no skin thickening or inflammation, nothing that would lead me to call the vet.
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        • #5
          It could be HERDA?. Do you have any pix to share?
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          • #6
            No, with HERDA the actual skin sloughs off, not just the hair. It sounds like this horse's skin is healthy under the hair. I've never seen anything like what the OP describes so I'm curious to hear more responses.

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            • #7
              It could be either, I think. At any rate, if the horse were mine, I'd be analyzing his diet to be sure we weren't dealing with any toxicity/deficiency issues.

              But I've seen some horses with adequate nutrition go through this, and it's "normal" for them.

              Interestingly, my little lab/pit mix shedded almost completely about 4 months after we pulled him from the shelter. He was about 9 months old and emaciated when we pulled him; four months later, he was in good weight but his old coat was coming out in handfuls. He's never shedded like that since.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by sdlbredfan View Post
                It could be HERDA?. Do you have any pix to share?
                If it were HERDA, it would've happened a LONG time ago. Usually by age 2 they're symptomatic. This horse is in his 20's....
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                • #9
                  Thanks JCS, I have only 'heard of/read of' that disorder, have never actually seen it so that was just a WAG.
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                  • #10
                    I have one that sheds like that - HUGE bare spots with not even a hint of hair, looks dreadful for weeks. He has done this since I got him at age 4, so I quit worrying about it 10 springs ago and figured it had to be normal for him.
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                      Originally posted by JCS View Post
                      No, with HERDA the actual skin sloughs off, not just the hair. It sounds like this horse's skin is healthy under the hair. I've never seen anything like what the OP describes so I'm curious to hear more responses.
                      The skin did look healthy enough under the hair. Unfortunately, I don't have pictures.

                      The barn owner/manager said that this horse *molts* like this every year.

                      Good to hear that it could be normal shedding. I will be emailing the owner of that horse and suggesting that he go out and check the horse though. I just didn't want to imply that there was something wrong with the horse's care on that point if this type of shedding can be normal.

                      OTOH, my reason for suspecting poor care was the condition of this (and every other horse there that I was close enough to see) horse's hooves, as well as the fact that several of the horses were significantly underweight. Yes, they're older animals and we just got through winter, BUT, it's definitely possible to keep older horses in good weight. The BO clearly felt this was normal weight loss for winter, even though there were hips and spines sticking out and ribs clearly visible under winter hair.

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                      • #12
                        We have an old (37) guy that has shed like this for years. He has a thick winter coat. It doesn't seem to matter if we brush it frequently or not. When it's time for it to come off, it comes in large chunks and he is bald underneath. It is only on his back and hips so I have often wondered if it is fungus related. It's not like rain rot. It's more like peeling carpet off. lol. We usually do nothing special for it and his regular summer coat grows in pretty quick after the old stuff is removed. Seems like the summer coat won't grow until the old stuff is gone so better to get it over with.

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                        • #13
                          My QH that I had did that, scared me to death the first year!! LOL. after that realized it was just her way of shedding out.
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                          • #14
                            My young horse sheds out winter coat before his summer coat is ready to sprout. He is not malnourished at all! That is just his way. He has bare spots where he has shed his winter hair, he is body clipped once in the fall.

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                            • #15
                              Both my Cushings horse and my IR horse came to shed out like this in advanced age. We have a 26 year old mare who, for the first time, is shedding out like this now. She is a very bright chestnut, but her hair is coming off in clumps and revealing a very dark coat with short, almost microscopic hairs. We have a feeling it is metabolic related although her weight is excellent and her health from all external appearances, is good as well. We are vetting her next week to see if she has an imbalance of any sort or thyroid condition.
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                              • #16
                                Timely topic, both my mares are doing this this year (well, the young mare, I just bought her last month, so I don't know history), and it is only in spots (shoulders, rump in some spots). I was not going to worry unless the summer hair doesn't start to grow in a week or two. One mare is 27 the other is 6. The gelding is shedding normally. All 3 eat exactly the same feed. And yes, there is a bunch of dead skin that comes off with the clumps of hair.

                                I do recall we had a gelding that shed out like that, but literally he had big bald spots - we called the vet, and when the vet came out he laughed and said that some horses just shed out that way.

                                So, I am going with the concept that this is just normal for some horses, and I think it may vary from year to year.
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                                • #17
                                  It's normal in some horses

                                  but tends to be associated with advanced age, though you do get a few younger horses who do it as well.

                                  His summer coat should come through in a week or two. If it does not, then it's time to start worrying.
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                                  • #18
                                    I have a 39 year old that clumps her hair to baldness. You can pull the hair right out of her. She is cared for well just older and that just happens to be her shedding process.

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                                    • #19
                                      The naked shedder is what I call these guys.

                                      Some years, they seem to drop the coat faster than the summer coat comes in. A couple of mine (chestnuts) are shedding in clumps. I can pull out hair to make naked spots, but regular grooming does not seem to leave mine naked.

                                      In a few days, the hair comes in more and it looks better.

                                      I've noticed that the shedding is more prolonged this year, and we did just have the worst winter in a LONG time, so I just figure that the sudden heat might have something to do with it.

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                                      • #20
                                        Lack of good grooming makes this happen where there is a dander/sweat buildup under a thick coat.
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