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  • Of course you are allowed to question the "party line" as you so graciously put it. But if you had done some research on the matter, I think you would have found that the very fact that the helmet cracks or splits is an indicator that it is doing its job. Upon any impact, force must be dissipated somewhere. Normally it keeps on going until it hits the brain, which then proceeds to bounce back and forth in the skull cavity until all required force is dissipated.

    If the helmet has to split, crack or otherwise survive impact not 100% intact, that is because it is doing its job by allowing the helmet to be the dissipation point for the majority of force upon impact, not the brain. If it just looked pretty and passed on the force to the next available object it would hardly be useful, now would it?

    I think most reasonable folks realize a helmet is no guarantee of saving your life. It's likely to do an above average job protecting a fairly important organ in a certain type of impact. Even those of us who do not typically wear approved helmets are clever enough to recognize that simple fact.

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    Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horse_poor:
      x..its very simple

      he is a pocket trainer client, simply looking for any pocket trainer updates<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      Not in this lifetime or any other!

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      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> posted May. 04, 2004 10:46 AM
        Oh, as an aside, I think the WORST statistical analyses I've seen have been on THIS board, when someone who doesn't want to wear an approved helmet justifies their decision by saying "Well, my friend Susie had a REALLY bad fall once while wearing a hunt cap, and she was just fine! So I don't see why I need to wear one." Gee, what is that, a study of one?

        <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        That's what I think when I see that, too.

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        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erin:
          Tosca, my point was that the helmets are DESIGNED to absorb impact. By implying that helmets are not safe because they split, you're spreading misinformation.

          That'd be like saying that styrofoam doesn't protect fragile stuff because it squishes so easily.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          I am really ticked off about this remark. I didn't misrepresent any research, or make up data. I gave an opinion. This is not spreading misinformation. If this is how this board works, you can have it. I won't post again.

          I am in the research biz. Even ethical researchers can design a bad experiment or study resulting in questionable results. Data can be misinterpeted. Results are often not replicable for no reason that anyone can find. If you want to get unethical, data can be fixed to find a particular result. Unwanted results are often not published. In my business, you question everything.

          Tosca

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          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tosca4711:
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erin:
            Tosca, my point was that the helmets are DESIGNED to absorb impact. By implying that helmets are not safe because they split, you're spreading misinformation.

            That'd be like saying that styrofoam doesn't protect fragile stuff because it squishes so easily.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            I am really ticked off about this remark. I didn't misrepresent any research, or make up data. I gave an opinion. This is not spreading misinformation. If this is how this board works, you can have it. I won't post again.

            I am in the research biz. Even ethical researchers can design a bad experiment or study resulting in questionable results. Data can be misinterpeted. Results are often not replicable for no reason that anyone can find. If you want to get unethical, data can be fixed to find a particular result. Unwanted results are often not published. In my business, you question everything.

            Tosca<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            A parting shot....

            Products which have been designed, tested, and brought to the market do not always perform as expected in real life. People are killed and injured everyday because of this. Read the newspaper.

            Tosca

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            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tosca4711:
              A parting shot....

              <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              One can only hope!

              Somewhere in Texas a village is missing its idiot. www.seeyageorge.com
              Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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              • DMK, I'm stumped at the reaction Tosca is getting from you. What was it that she expressed here that was so awful? She made(IMO) a very well thought out post. She didn't belittle or DENIGRATE anyone. Just because her personal thought and usage of helmets differs from yours ....

                [This message was edited by xegeba on May. 04, 2004 at 12:57 PM.]

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                • um......perhaps you meant 'degrade' anyone.

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                  • and so i ask.....where are the gnomes this fine spriong day?

                    and pocket trainer it is so so so nice to see you again!

                    i was not aware that you turned clients away

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                    • Sorry hoursenhound ...spelling error. Denigrate... attack character, speak ill of. So, no I didn't mean degrade but degrade would work to.

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                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OneonOne:
                        As long as people are sniping on this thread, I'm going to join...

                        It's HELM_E_T, not HELM_U_T.

                        You may continue.
                        <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        Actually, I think that depends on what you're wearing.

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                        \"It is good to be fine.\"

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                        • Hrmmmmm, saying approved helmets aren't any more protective than non approved helmets is kind of like saying.........my granny smoked til she was 85 and didn't get cancer, therefore it is my opinion that smoking doesn't cause cancer.

                          The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. Oscar Wilde
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                          • Bigbay, for some odd reason I keep spelling it HelMUT. Helmut Newton? is there such a person? Maybe it is Lang I'm thinking of. Anyways, the studies you and I have been throwing around have seemed to cause quite a ruckus. A veritable hornets nest! You would of thought Tosca had poisoned aero or something....

                            [This message was edited by xegeba on May. 04, 2004 at 02:47 PM.]

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                            • Pixie!!! I find myself saying that very same thing all the time! Denial....

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                              • Back to the original poster's question:

                                I wear an approved helmet. My choice & I don't nag other people to do it if I don't know them (b/c I hate when people I don't know come up to me & yell at me about smoking. It's just rude.)

                                That being said, my trainer didn't used to wear an approved. I asked her if she wouldn't mind wearing one *with me* because I got worried when she got on without one. She didn't have a problem with that & would put mine on if she needed to hop on to show me something. Problem solved with no hard feelings & she actually now always puts one on if she gets on any horse.

                                You can ask once & explain why you think it's important. Hopefully your trainer will understand. If not, don't nag. It won't work - it never does.
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                                • tosca poisoned aero

                                  that explains his nice behavior all of a sudden

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                                  • xegeba, yes dear. You are thinking of Helmut Newton. Remember you are a Californian. And also because he died in a car crash in January. Tragically died of head injuries.

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                                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bea:
                                      xegeba, yes dear. You are thinking of Helmut Newton. Remember you are a Californian. And also because he died in a car crash in January. Tragically died of head injuries.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      Was he wearing his helmet?

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                                      • Bea!!! Thank God! Was Mr. Newton a photographer? I'm struggling here.

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                                        • oh dear, uberraschung. I was hoping that would go without saying.

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