Horsenhound.... I don't want to denigrate anyone here but.............. WHERE the hell have you been?????? Please go back and read every post(and I truly mean every) and then report back.
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Bea, I'm on creepy....Comment
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Hosenhound's post reminds me of something else that always puzzles me: How is it that people who cant make sense of a straightforward post on an internet bb are capable of interpreting complex scientific articles as long as they conclude that you need to wear a helmet?
El Grande Stimpendo you are the biggest, most pompous, egotistical, rude, arrogant person I've come across today. And considering where I go to school, and where I work, you are off the charts.Comment
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Pretty, I still can't figure out those little faces.... not to worry... So are you saying that your kid is 34 and posting under that name???????Comment
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CRAP BEA....Comment
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EL GRANDE. WHAT DO YOU WANT? I can't take this anymore... I'm self-immolating...Bea... matches please.Comment
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oh well, I bet it's perked your evening up though.
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Does it really matter what these affectionate people do. So long as they don't do it in the street and frighten the horses? Mrs Patrick Campbell (1865-1940)Comment
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BEA... STAY ON THIS THREAD PLEASE. What is my disease?????Comment
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
Pretty, I still can't figure out those little faces.... not to worry... So are you saying that your kid is 34 and posting under that name???????<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Did you not read my post? I just let her pick my name. That doesn't mean that it is for her! Jeezum crow, you people are a little off around here.
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Got it Pretty... Thanks... Things were going at such a rapid pace. Pay no attention to El Grande if you don't want to engage in mental warfare. However, if you think you can beat it at it's own game... go for it. You have to admit that there are some valid points being tossed around.Comment
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
Horsenhound.... I don't want to denigrate anyone here but.............. WHERE the hell have you been?????? Please go back and read every post(and I truly mean every) and then report back.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Whoa there xegeba! I'm sorry if you took my post as a personal attack on you, I assure you it was not and I'm not sure where the vindictiveness comes from
I have done as you suggested and gone back and read EVERY post, and I still don't understand why we are feeding this troll?
This has turned into a ridiculous thread,which is sad because the topic itself is a very serious one.
I think an adult should be allowed to make their own decisions as to whether to wear a helmet or not, however the argument that helmets may not offer any more protection than a bare head is not only grossly misleading, but in a fully enacted worse case scenario, irresponsible to every member of said helmetless riders' family.
Put a fork in me.............I'm doneComment
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Here's one.
I fly in the Navy. When I was flying helicopters, I wore a helmet. When I was flying aerobatic trainers as an instructor pilot, I wore a helmet. Now I'm flying a small twin engine VIP transport, and I don't wear a helmet any more. It isn't a personal choice; it is something that the Navy dictates.
When I ride my bike to the store, which is really close by and just off of a residential street, I don't wear a helmet. When I ride to work, I do, because I ride in traffic and at higher speeds.
I usually wear a helmet when I ride. Sometimes I don't. When I don't, I accept the risk that I am exposing myself to.
Life is dangerous. You start dying the minute you are born.
I finally bought an approved helmet, and wore it to a horse show last Sunday. I'm still using an old, unapproved one for everyday riding, but I'm about to buy another approved one for riding at home. I'm going to wear it more often.
Anyway, I guess my point is that as long as adults are making decisions based on accurate information, it is the right of those adults to decide how they do. I do try to assess risk anytime I indulge in anything that is somewhat dangerous. Of course, I know that any time I get on a horse, I could get tossed and land on my head. But I know that it is more likely to happen if I'm jumping, or if I'm out on the trail where the horse-eating rocks, cardboard and black plastic sheeting are!
Life is terminal.Comment
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Horsenhound!!!! It was a joke. Could someone please explain the face thingies....Might clear up what I really mean.Comment
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Horsenhound... what i meant to say is... El Grande is what the general pop. would consider a "TROLL" Everyone on the thread knows this.... however, it's a cute little bugger and fun to argue with. Kind of breaks up the monotony of the day.Comment
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> After a bad fall which fractured her arm, I talked with her about it, and then asked if she was wearing a helmet. She said no, and I said she was very lucky. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
She fell and did not hurt her head.
A helmet would not have protected her arm.
This is how some riders look at the helmet issue.
*Forever Young clique*
*bullsnap-haters clique*
*Mighty Thoroughbred clique*
*Firey Redhead clique* *Mighty Thoroughbred clique**Arabian clique*Comment
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I wish I posted when I first saw this thread, it would have spared me 17 pages. I classify myself as a helmet nazi. But I don't think it's worth my time to go up to an adult rider and inform them about wearing a helmet. I believe that if you are an American rider, you have hopefully grasped a 12th grade education at best. Anyone who has done so, can pick up an equine magazine or book and read the stats. I have come to the conclusion that b/c we are a literate society, that the adults have already made up their minds on this issue (unless they are a beginner, in which case I might say something). If someone wants to ride w/o a helmet and break open their heads, that's their business, but they are not getting my pity.
I'm thankful that in all of my years of riding, I have ridden at riding schools that require that you wear a helmet, if you were underage or a lesson student. After so many years of riding w/ a helmet, I've become very used to one. They don't feel hot or heavy to me. I even ride in the velvet ones that don't have much ventilation (well I do have a John Whittaker at the moment
). Now I do shake my head to myself when I see an adult rider w/o an approved helmet. But I don't say anything. They know the stats. For whatever reason, they refuse to wear these helmets. I very much doubt that these people are going to heed my advice, when well published literature has illustrated the advantages of wearing a helmet. So go ahead and cringe when you see whomever riding w/o one, but I really don't think that admonishing them is going to work.
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But where would El Grande be without this thread Teal? Has anyone thought about that?Comment
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Oh medidork.... I knew you would rear your ugly head! I say this before I click on your visual treat.Let me just say, there is no shame in the love I have for EL GRANDE STIMPENDO. NONE. No amount of ridicule will convince me that Stimpy is unworthy.Comment
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Okay, here is what I don't like about the argument "she's an adult and can make her own choice" as to wear a helmet.
If someone is not wearing a helmut and has a fall and has a serious head injury, then what happens? Do you have any idea how much a serious head injury can cost? Weeks in intensive care, months in a hospital, then years in a skilled nursing facility can add up to $500,000 to $1,000,000.
Who pays for that? Probably their medical insurance company. Then what happens? Well, the insurance company will raise their rates to make up the loss. Then who pays? Everyone who has insurance through that company. Then who pays? Well, if the person is covered through their employer (if an amateur) or their spouse's employer, then that company ends up paying higher rates for coverage and has to raise their prices on whatever it is they do to pay for the coverage.
Bottom line, we ALL pay for these cases. So, this persons "personal decision" ends up being paid for by other people.
If someone wants to choose to not wear a helmet, not wear a seatbelt, etc., then I'm fine with that if they also agree to pay all medical costs due to that choice out of their own pocket.
Regarding smoking (another personal choice with health consequences) I actually attended a health insurance seminar in which an actuary stated that smokers actually end up having lower health costs in the long run (over the course of their entire lives) because they die younger than non-smokers and do not end up with nursing home costs etc. They do tend to be more expensive than non-smokers in their working years however.
Other health conditions related to lifestyle choices, like heart disease and cancer, have multiple complex causes and contributing factors, so it is not as easy to come up with a "pay for your own choice" sort of system.
But a head injury that could have been prevented with a helmet is a one-time event, pretty cut and dry, and I don't want someone's foolish choice (hairstyle over safety) to add to the increases in my health insurance premiums.Comment
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