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  • El Grande, that line of logic just doesn't make any sense. It reminds me of non-horsey people who express surprise when they find out I still take lessons. "You mean you've been doing this for 25 years and you STILL don't know how to ride??!"

    No matter what discipline you're in, riding is a risk sport. Hell, just working around horses on the GROUND is dangerous, and plenty of people have been killed when they weren't even in the saddle. Maybe it comes from being an eventer, but I'm pretty highly cognizant of the fact that I'm on "borrowed time," so to speak. I accept the fact that eventing, and riding in general, is a risk. But to me, the benefits outweigh the risk. Same as the benefits of driving a car outweigh the risks.

    I could wear an approved helmet every time I get on a horse, and yet be killed if my horse hangs a leg at a cross-country obstacle and flips over on me. Someone who never wears a helmet at all could ride for 70 years and never get so much as a mild concussion. I'm sure with lots of studies and data, we could figure out exactly what the chances are of either of those scenarios happening, but frankly, I don't care. On a personal level, it really doesn't mean squat.

    As everyone says, it comes down to personal choice, and personal acceptance of risk. I'm not willing to give up eventing, but I AM willing to give up a little bit of comfort.

    We all fall off. The only thing that really separates the major wrecks from the minor ones is luck.

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    • This is an interesting pro-choice vs pro-life type debate. Basically, what it comes down to is not whether helmets save lives or not, but whether an adult can make an adult choice about the amount of risk they are willing to asume.
      I personally, rarely wear my helmet. I have gotten better and now wear it jumping and riding youngsters. I would never presume to tell someone else what they should wear. TO me it's in the same realm as telling someone you think they're riding with too much hand or some such. It's their horse, it's their business how they ride it. Just as it's their head, it's their business if they protect it.
      The seatbelt comparisson is ridiculous and totally irrelevant to the debate.
      Unrestrained pasengers can kill other pasengers in a crash, thereby their lack of seatbelt is endangering others. You harm no one else when you don't wear a helmet.
      When someone is riding your horse I think you hvae every right to make them wear whatever you want. They can decide whether they can live with that or not.

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      • People will do as they wish to do. As long as they KNOW helmets are available, manufactured for this purpose, and legal to purchase and wear- whether they DO or not is up to them.

        I'm a predominantly western rider who's CONSIDERING a helmet, having read about Connie's misfortune in Coreene's thread. I'm 33, I no longer bounce like I once did, and I'm becoming more aware of my own mortality.

        Bottom line- children SHOULD be educated to wear them from the start. Trainers SHOULD make students wear them. Riders SHOULD wear them- but when it comes to adults choosing NOT to- well, that's their choice, and no one else's business.

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        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OneonOne:
          People, the bottom line is that if the person is an adult, it's his/her business, not yours. When I first turned 18, I would often ride without a helmet. There was one woman at my barn who ALWAYS made a comment to me about it. You know what? Her nosiness ticked me off to the point that I quit wearing a helmet altogether just to prove a point to her - the point being that it's MY choice, and she couldn't do anything about it. Yep, I'm stubborn like that.

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          Well OnoonOne, you sure must have shown her! Proving that you can make your own choices my not wearing a helmet! What a great way to look at things, to show how smart you are you are going to leave your nogan unprotected! Geez, I envy your stubborness!

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          • I witnessed an accident last year that nobody had any doubt that the child would have died had she not been wearing an approved helmet. Low level hunter show, the child is 14, about 5'6" but fairly slight build. Horse gets distracted by something along the fence line coming into jump #1 and trips over the jump and flips and rolls over the girl. The girl stopped breathing and went into convulsions, luckily the top trauma Doc from the local emergency dept was there to watch his daughter and got this young girl stablized. She survived without any lasting effects. Her brand new helmet was split almost in two. Please parents and coaches set an example to the kids in your care - you are their role model and they will emulate your actions and ideas.

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            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by El Grande Stimpendo:
              OK, but why _not_ wear your helmet in the car?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              you are just too funny for words. Thank you for proving yet again that you just can't make an intelligent responce to a comment.

              And for proving yet again that you can't admit that your wrong. I love the ignorence of people who can't just agree to disagree, or even step down and admit they were wrong. They must continue to press forward, looking like an even bigger idiot, making stupid illogical comments, and not making an ounce of sense.

              Jennie
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              Yes, a novel
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              \"If you\'re a horse, and someone gets on you, and falls off, and then gets right back on you, I think you should buck him off right away.\"-Deep thoughts by Jack Handy

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              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by winter:
                You harm no one else when you don't wear a helmet.
                <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                I think that is what made this post interesting. You may not PHYSICALLY harm someone, but you sure may break a lot of peoples hearts by not wearing that helmet.

                Still a choice is a choice. More power to all.

                Jennie
                Who is going to write a novel.
                Yes, a novel
                See my albulm Updated 11/11
                Jennie
                \"If you\'re a horse, and someone gets on you, and falls off, and then gets right back on you, I think you should buck him off right away.\"-Deep thoughts by Jack Handy

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                • I think it's a little more involved than pro-choice v. pro-life. I am very much about an adult making up their own mind, even though I'm pretty pro-helmet. I don't feel the need to get involved in the helmet discussion until people start making arguments that are illogical.

                  The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. Oscar Wilde
                  The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. Oscar Wilde

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                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MyShadeOfPink:
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by winter:
                    You harm no one else when you don't wear a helmet.
                    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    I think that is what made this post interesting. You may not PHYSICALLY harm someone, but you sure may break a lot of peoples hearts by not wearing that helmet.

                    Still a choice is a choice. More power to all.
                    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    That reminds me:
                    "And finally, I've read all the threads about helmet laws or improved helmet laws and freedom to wear or not to wear one and other such political issues. Everyone, please understand, that for whatever reason my daughter did not have on a helmet, the fact remains she is dead. My best friend is gone. You can argue rights and politics until the cows come home, but, until you stand over the casket of your 18 yr old daughter who had so much left to give, but was taken so suddenly, please don't stand on principal about your rights. Get off your soap boxes and realize that what people are trying to tell you is that they love you and don't want to see you hurt. That's it. No politics. No infringement on your rights. Plain and simple, they love you and don't want you to get hurt. Not to wear a helmet is not "exercising your rights". It is a selfish act that has the potential to leave devasting grief behind for those who love you. You may pass on with your principals in tact; but the friends and family you leave behind will suffer indefinately."

                    from http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/f...m=45160866&p=4

                    Again, I'm all for choice and don't bug people about it, but when Regina said this it made me think quite a bit about how "personal" choices affect other people...

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                    • El Grande Stimpendo, or "Ren & Stimpy Go to Acapulco."

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                      • I'm more scared by bad riders who dont take lessons that an advanced rider not wearing his/her helmet.

                        The CDC website says that approx 350 people per year die from falling in bathtubs. I don't think that many people die every year from falling off horses without helmets, but I would be interested to see any statistics to the contrary.

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                        • I know this isn't what the post said and it was to present a fact, but the stats IMHO don't matter much if at all- if one in 5,000 falls get killed, your family probably won't be saying, Oh, good, she only have a 1 in 5,000 chance of being killed.

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                          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erin:
                            El Grande, that line of logic just doesn't make any sense. It reminds me of non-horsey people who express surprise when they find out I still take lessons. "You mean you've been doing this for 25 years and you STILL don't know how to ride??!"

                            No matter what discipline you're in, riding is a risk sport. Hell, just working around horses on the GROUND is dangerous, and plenty of people have been killed when they weren't even in the saddle. Maybe it comes from being an eventer, but I'm pretty highly cognizant of the fact that I'm on "borrowed time," so to speak. I accept the fact that eventing, and riding in general, is a risk. But to me, the benefits outweigh the risk. Same as the benefits of driving a car outweigh the risks.

                            I could wear an approved helmet every time I get on a horse, and yet be killed if my horse hangs a leg at a cross-country obstacle and flips over on me. Someone who never wears a helmet at all could ride for 70 years and never get so much as a mild concussion. I'm sure with lots of studies and data, we could figure out exactly what the chances are of either of those scenarios happening, but frankly, I don't care. On a personal level, it really doesn't mean squat.

                            As everyone says, it comes down to personal choice, and personal acceptance of risk. I'm not willing to give up eventing, but I AM willing to give up a little bit of comfort.

                            We all fall off. The only thing that really separates the major wrecks from the minor ones is luck.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            Yes it makes perfect sense. Riding is a risk sport, and the risk is a lot greater to someone who falls on their head on a regular basis. Even if helmets were infallible, a rider who regularly falls off would be at significant risk of serious non-head injury.

                            If you fall on your head with a helmet and come out OK, its your lucky day.

                            If you fall on your head without a helmet and come out OK, its your really lucky day.

                            If you fall on your head every day, your days are numbered - helmet or not. It's so simple.

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                            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RoyalTRider:
                              Gee, El Grande, I don't know. Let me go ask David O'Connor, the man who's broken his collar bone, like, nine or six or whatever times. It's a crying shame HE can't learn to ride better. I'll go ask him what's so wrong with his position in dressage that he's gotten thrown THAT many times training horses of all ages and abilities to do one of the toughest sports in the world. Face it, Grande, that argument will NEVER work.

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                              Royal - in the example you cite, there's no argument in question to work or not work. His injuries are already fact. Clearly he's doing something dangerous. He's sustained bone fractures something like 6 different times doing the same thing. He may or may not be a good rider. You don't need to know if he is or not to realize he's doing something dangerous.

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                              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pixie Dust:
                                OK...this is way late, but last time I checked, bathtubs don't spook!


                                <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                Neither do spaceshuttles, but astronauts still wear helmets.

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                                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It reminds me of non-horsey people who express surprise when they find out I still take lessons. "You mean you've been doing this for 25 years and you STILL don't know how to ride??!" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  I'm proud to say I recently celebrated the 25th aniversary of my last riding lesson.

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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And for proving yet again that you can't admit that your wrong. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


                                    Actually, I can. It's just that the need so rarely arises. When are you going to tell us why you dont wear your helmet in the car?

                                    I sure hope nobody who's posted here about their helmet love is a smoker

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                                    • Why don't I wear a helmet when I drive? Because dangerous sports all have different protective gear. I wear an ASTM approved helmet when I ride. I wear a bike helmet when I bike. And I wear a seatbelt when I drive.

                                      For the level of driving that I do, a seatbelt is all that is needed. If I was a racecar driver, I'd have a helmet as well. Just like how I would wear a protective vest as well as my usual helmet if I ever decided to try eventing. In fact, I went on a cross country vacation in Scotland last year and bought and wore a safety vest for just that reason.

                                      No one is advocating bubble wrap suits for everybody, all the time. It's not that people need to go all out with their safety gear. It's just the complete lack of ANY safety gear that scares people.

                                      And, I suppose if you want to think of it like this, a car IS your helmet. It's hard, compresses when you run into something, and protects you from other objects. Then you have a seatbelt to keep you in the right place inside the car--like a really big chinstrap.
                                      -Caroline
                                      \"If I go crazy then will you still call me SUPERPONY!\"

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                                      • And to carry the automobile comparison a step further, the airbag is the person who thinks they know best.

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                                        • Also, I do not smoke, drink, do drugs, or engage in any illegal, dangerous activites. That's something I do agree with you about, El Grande Stimpendo. I hate smoking because it kills OTHER people just as much as it kills you. And, in my opinion, hurting other people is NOT something that anyone has the right to do.
                                          -Caroline
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