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  • Note to DMK: I know I said I would never post on a helmet thread again, but this is my one exception

    The one time I rode without my usual approved, and was helmetless, I fell on the back of my head. My skull was fractured in seven places, amongst other things. My doctor, who never minces words, said "Those fractures are the places where your helmet should have broken instead."

    It's a personal choice. I choose to wear one. And I'm still taking meds for vertigo for not wearing one, 8 1/2 years ago.

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    • Oh, no, I've lost my sarcasm. Has anyone seen it? It's very obvious, and I'm sure I misplaced it here somewhere. The comment about better horses/riders was supposed to be sarcastic, if I hadn't lost the piggly sum bitch.

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      • I am an avid helmet wearer and would never think of getting on a horse without one. It is known that an approved helmet reduces the severity of a head injury, and we can debate endlessly on the extent of injury prevention, but I look at it this way. If I wear a helmet, the benefit is that the severity of a possible head injury (and thus time out of work, hospital time, putting my family out etc...)is reduced. And the benefit of not wearing a helmet is...uh...no hat hair, and I'm -$40. Sorry, but don't really see a debate here! Sure we can all say it's a matter of choice, but I think choosing not to wear one is stupid, just like jumping off of a bridge is stupid.

        But one question I have is this...we do see a lot of people receiving concussions with an approved helmet. Why are they only as effective as they are? What prevents them from being made safer?

        [This message was edited by CosmicDust on May. 06, 2004 at 07:05 PM.]

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        • A lot and lot and lot of falls, just looking at every rider in America, are probably good old horse acts up riders thumps hard to the ground. You know the hard, nasty feeling. Helmets can do a great deal of good there- read the current Do I need a new helmet? thread. And common sense tells us that if you just plunk onto the groun and smack your head and your helmet gets hit first, it takes hardest impact.

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          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erin:
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by El Grande Stimpendo:
            Insurance premiums reflect risk. Most of the risk associated with riding is of the terrible rider variety.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            Riiiight... I'm sure any insurance adjuster would MUCH rather insure Bruce Davidson, who's riding multiple horses over the biggest, toughest, don't-fall-down cross-country courses in the country, than little-miss-backyard-rider Suzy. Sure. That makes perfect sense. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            No. You made a mistake. You didnt consider that there are so many more lousy riders than good ones. The backyard Suzy's outnumber the Bruce Davidsons by a ratio of something like 6,000:1. The question should have been: which would the insurance co rather cover for a severe head injury: ONE Bruce Davidson or SIX THOUSAND backyard suzy's?

            If they're smart, they'd take BD. In practice, the risk associated with either is too small for any insurer to worry about.

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            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dogchushu:
              Oh El Grande, you crack me up! You remind me of the tobacco company executives stubbornly arguing that there's no proof cigarette smoking causes cancer!



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              No your comparison is wrong too. I've never suggested that helmets are NOT safer than no helmets. What I've questioned all along is how anyone knows the difference is enough to get so worked up over, particularly for a competent rider?

              Why, for instance, don't people wear their riding helmets in cars? Is it because you'd look like a dork? It would mess your hair? Why?

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              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I must be up on DMK's ladder <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                OK, so when you climb a real ladder, do you put on your riding helmet? If no, why not? Ladders are dangerous.

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                • Well El Grande, you fooled me. I thought you were arguing that there's no proven benefit to approved helmets vs. unapproved. I don't think that's accurate.

                  As to why people get so worked up about it, I don't know. Personally, I don't really care what someone else wears. I wear an approved. Others at my barn wear unapproved. Yes, I've even seen some ball caps. My barn owner wants all juniors and beginners to wear approved. Competent adults can assess their own risk.

                  Why don't I wear a helmet in my car? Frankly, I doubt it would make much difference in something like a car accident. The most common impacts of a car crash may not be to your head, and the strengths needed for a helmet to protect your head against the forces involved in a car crash are probably much different than with a riding fall. But, the truth is, I haven't really thought it through. There are just some risks I take, and others I don't.

                  Same with riding. Some risks I take (riding the mare when she's had no turnout, just been clipped, and it's really cold, windy and stormy) and others I don't (riding without a helmet). Other people take or don't take different risks. Their choice.

                  I believe competent adults are free to come to their own conclusions about the risks they wish to take, and I support your right to wear whatever you want based on that belief. I just don't agree that approveds are no safer than unapproveds.



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                  • Then you have no disagreement with me.

                    BTW If you're going slowly enough, a car crash could have less impact than falling off a horse. And the most common impacts from falling off a horse are not to the riders head either.

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                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by El Grande Stimpendo:
                      My Shade - why not put on your helmet in the car?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      why don't you kiss my @$$ with your snotty comments? God #!)* people can't even have a discussion without acting like their five. I have nieces and nephews who can respond more intelligently than that.

                      And obviously, my post bothered you if that's all you could respond with. What's the matter, someone brings sentiment into it and you can't handle it?

                      Grow up.

                      I'll now raise back up to my level, and leave you at yours that is somewhere under the manure pile.

                      Sorry Erin, edit if you like.

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                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And the most common impacts from falling off a horse are not to the riders head either. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        Boy, ain't that the truth. I fell off today and my butt is going to have a HUGE bruise tomorrow! (And YES, I was wearing a helmet! )

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                        • "As I said earlier, if you don't want to wear a helmet or an approved helmet, fine... just don't delude yourself in the face of a large body of evidence that says an approved helmet will best protect your head in a fall, and say that an unapproved offers just as much protection. It doesn't."

                          Erin, I am in complete agreement...I am just so tired of this issue as well as a select unmentionables, getting people so pissed at each other. I believe my APPROVED has saved my life several times, but I can't PROVE it...but I would never take a chance to be proven wrong, i.e. not wearing one "just to see".

                          Wearing an approved helmet is just placing hope in a bit of more technology in the hopes that our brains don't spill all over the ground if we should hit something hard.

                          Let's face it...we are ALL involved in a dangerous sport...some of us just prefer to be safer. Will we ever know for certain it was our APPROVEDS that saved us when we fell/fall? No. But would any of us living and not a veggie want it any other way?

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                          • [QUOTE]Originally posted by Moonkitty:
                            Oh, no, I've lost my sarcasm. Has anyone seen it? It's very obvious, and I'm sure I misplaced it here somewhere. [QUOTE]
                            Check a Seinfeld re-run, I've lost mine there before.

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                            • OK, but why not wear your helmet in the car?

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                              • Flame me if you want. This isnt directed at anyone in particular. If you really believe your helmet has saved your life multiple times, you're doing something wrong and need to consider what is causing you to fall on your head so often. Helmets arent infallible, and if you fall on your head often enough that its really the case that you are on 'borrowed time', the safest thing to do is to find another sport, a safer horse, stop jumping or whatever.

                                What would you say to someone who told you 'I've driven my car into a lamppost 9 times. Seatbelts are a lifesaver!'?

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                                • Gee, El Grande, I don't know. Let me go ask David O'Connor, the man who's broken his collar bone, like, nine or six or whatever times. It's a crying shame HE can't learn to ride better. I'll go ask him what's so wrong with his position in dressage that he's gotten thrown THAT many times training horses of all ages and abilities to do one of the toughest sports in the world. Face it, Grande, that argument will NEVER work.

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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by El Grande Stimpendo:
                                    Flame me if you want. This isnt directed at anyone in particular. If you really believe your helmet has saved your life multiple times, you're doing something wrong and need to consider what is causing you to fall on your head so often. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Hm... My unnaproved helmet saved my life once. Freak accident- horse fell and propelled me into some very heavy wooden things which I knocked over with my head. Probably wouldn't have had a concussion with an approved. Probably would have split my head open with nothing.

                                    That *1* time was enough and since then I've always worn a helmet.

                                    Doesn't make me a helmet nazi, and if others want to take the risk, after having a brief mental flashback of flying headfirst into a barrier and shuddering, I figure it's their choice.

                                    But then again, after reading this thread, I think I'm going to start duct taping pillows and body armor to myself and demanding that everyone else do the same...

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                                    • I wear a helmet A)because I'm a junior and I am required to and B)because I value my head. But I think it's every person's choice on whether or not they would like to wear a helmet or not. It's their head, they should be allowed to do what they want with it. I know my trainer wears a helmet 99.9% of the time, that .1% is if she is trying to demonstrate something to us in our lesson, and she just hops on one of our horses. Sure people not wearing a helmet irks me a bit, but like I said, it's their decision, and the last thing they want is someone soming up to them and saying, "Umm excuse me, you know, you should really be wearing a helmet. If you fall you could hurt yourself." I think they know that, but hey, they are willing to take a risk, then why should the helmet advocators tell them other wise? It's their choice, and I know it's my choice to wear a helmet (I've fallen on my head too many times not to.) Oh, and BTW I knew someone who used to ride at my barn who would drive home wearing their helemt, strap buckled and all

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                                      [This message was edited by HorseyGurl182 on May. 07, 2004 at 11:19 AM.]

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                                      • This isn't all-inclusive, but I generally wouldn't train under someone who made a habit of not wearing a helmet (which also answers OP's question). Why? Because when I see a helmeted rider, I see a SERIOUS rider who understands the risk and wants to try to protect themselves and who cares what a preventable injury would mean to those who cared about him.

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                                        • OK...this is way late, but last time I checked, bathtubs don't spook!

                                          My helmet has never saved my life, not even close. But I figure it's an easy way to *reduce* my risk if I ever do hit my head....plus, it keeps my hair out of my face!!

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