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  • tosca - put me firmly in the freedom of choice catagory (as stated several times in several points, but I must have been on a ladder when I tossed that ball over the heads of some).

    But I still think that is a separate issue from whether an approved helmet protects your head from a specific type of injury better than a ball cap or unapproved. I just don't think the physics of that argument is particularly debatable (OK, we can - and do - debate anything and everything on this board - I just don't think you will find any quality science to back up the idea that the other options are safer for a particular type of injury). But I support yours, mine and any adult's right to do whatever the hell they want with their noggin. Equally, if an owner of property, a horse, the manager of a showground or a governing federation decides that all riders shall wear X, then I say more power to them. Their game, their rules - I can decide if I come to the party based on their rules, simple as that. No sweat off my brow either way.

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    Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I could, actually, point to my concussion story as a reason NOT to wear a helmet. I fell off (my bombproof horse slipped and fell on grass while we were cantering in a pasture at home) and hit my head. I blacked out. I received no medical attention. Yet here I am. See... who needs a helmet! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      I think the logic is equally uncompelling either way.

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      • Exactly. Which is why I was not using that logic to argue either example.

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        • You know DMK, I was on the ladder with you, and the ball did not go over my head when you were happy with Tosca's parting remark. That was what I was originally talking about, but perhaps I was on the ladder when that ball went over your head. Just thought it was mean to do to a newbie poster, who actually said nothing wrong.

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          • ehh? Then I dont understand what the significance of your concussion story was.

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            • Then see the post about you missing my point... which you obviously did!

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              • xegeba, actually I thought the phrase "parting shot" was not innocent as the driven snow and uttered in pure kindness. More like it was the exactly like the flippant, smart ass remark yours truly used to toss out at the Parental Unit. Subsequently followed by said Parental Unit wielding wooden spoon or hairbrush, cursing the day the smart ass Child Unit learned how to talk.

                So these days, I figure if you can give smart ass, then you must have declared yourself tough enough to receive smart ass.

                Somewhere in Texas a village is missing its idiot. www.seeyageorge.com
                Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                • I guess so. I still dont see how its not a my friend susy story.

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                  • DMK... it was far from a flippant remark... what it was.... an innocent remark from a kid to a parent... The parent thought it was a stupid and invalid .Nothing worse than a public put down... embarassing to say the least.. Is this post confusing????? I would be disappointed to know DMK, that you are one of those that can dish it out but can't take it.

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                    • evidently the ball not only went over my head, but the genral vicinity in which i wa standing

                      i guess i do not recall a flippant remark....?

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                      • if you go back to when tosca makes her"parting shot" and then you have DMK's reply. This will take some effort. What brand are those cigs ? I have not a clue how to do the quotation thing.

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                        • marlboros.......and to qoute, you go to the post, click the little file with qoutation marks in the lower right hand corner...etc

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                          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by El Grande Stimpendo:
                            I guess so. I still dont see how its not a my friend susy story.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            El Grande Stimpendo

                            Centre Equestre de la Houssaye
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                            • I think we all had figured that out, Medi. Cute picture though.... where do you guys find this stuff?

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                              • is EGS friends with the gnomes?

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                                • Have her do a search on "TBI", traumatic brain injury", folks, there is no such thing as a a "mildconcussion", I , too ,thought I had "gotten away" with a mild tbi, but, what I have learned about brain injury in the last 5 years makes me realize that there is no "mild" concussion. My own my own "mild", or "moderately severe " we concussion did have some lingering effects; though, .I was able to ride around a prelim crosscountry course three months after my concussion, but, I realize now that other were lingering effects five yearslater;, see if your state braininjury asoc., could arrange for her to attend a braininjury survivors group , where she could learn what we survivors go through every day.

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                                  • horsepoor.... there is no such thing as a gnome, or a troll... there are however, many different people who express themselves in different ways. The only thing I know for sure is... Mean people suck.

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                                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tosca4711:
                                      The fact that a helmet can withstand X lbs of pressure is not proof that it prevents or lessens brain damage via concussion. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                      Ummm, Tosca, maybe you need to step out of your "research" and stop taking everything so incredibly literally. I never said it was proof. I gave you a made-up example of what the part of the standard might say.

                                      But tell ya what... you just keep arguing with the basic principles of physics that are taught in every high school in the country; I'll keep wearing my approved helmet, and if we're ever in similar falls, we can compare who's brain is in better condition afterwards.

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                                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
                                        I would be disappointed to know DMK, that you are one of those that can dish it out but can't take it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        I rather doubt that. As for the rest, I suspect we will have to agree to disagree.

                                        Somewhere in Texas a village is missing its idiot. www.seeyageorge.com
                                        Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wanderlust:
                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tosca4711:
                                          The fact that a helmet can withstand X lbs of pressure is not proof that it prevents or lessens brain damage via concussion. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                          Ummm, Tosca, maybe you need to step out of your "research" and stop taking everything so incredibly literally. I never said it was proof. I gave you a made-up example of what the part of the standard might say.

                                          But tell ya what... you just keep arguing with the basic principles of physics that are taught in every high school in the country; I'll keep wearing my approved helmet, and if we're ever in similar falls, we can compare who's brain is in better condition afterwards. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          OK. A law of Physics states: two objects of different weights dropped from the same height will hit the ground at the same time. This statement is true, but it only works in a vacuum, when all other variables are controlled for. Galileo demonstrated this.

                                          The US military was (is?) using a helicopter which was designed by engineers (using the laws of physics). The helicopter was designed to fly, but it doesn't. It crashes. The engineers worked on this problem, but couldn't fix it because they didn't know why it didn't work. The US military sent a lot of people up in the helicopter, even knowing the problems. Many of these people died. (This was on 60 minutes)

                                          There was a 4X4 designed by engineers to drive alone the highway safely. It didn't. Whenever a tire blew, the vehicle rolled over. It was eventually tken off the market.

                                          I am saying that theory does not always translate into what happens in real life.

                                          I am willing to let this rest, but you guys apparently aren't.


                                          DKM: Perhaps my "parting shot" was not to you taste. If you read the posts I had just been accused of misrepresenting data (which I hadn't), and I had my hand slapped by the management. I was ticked off.

                                          Tosca

                                          [This message was edited by tosca4711 on May. 05, 2004 at 08:58 AM.]

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