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  • #81
    Kentucky has been using a form of legal slaughter for animal control purposes since the establishment of the very first county shelter in the state. Euthanasia is used in every county shelter in existence here, and it has not worked to control the population of unwanted cats and dogs yet. Just what makes you think that slaughter of horses will work? How about a more progressive thought process, like maybe don't effing breed them if you dont need them? How about if we take the dollar signs out of it? What do you think would happen then?

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    • #82
      Originally posted by hissking View Post
      How about a more progressive thought process, like maybe don't effing breed them if you dont need them? How about if we take the dollar signs out of it? What do you think would happen then?
      Hope you like it REALLY only being a sport for the super-wealthy. Regulate breeding (based on what, precisely? How do you decide who NEEDS to breed and who doesn't?) and take away ag-use exemptions for horses because some people think they're pets and the CHEAP barns will be $800+/month. County animal control will have to start euthanizing horses by the truckload and they'll just LOVE that. But hey, unwanted pets get dumped at the shelter! (Maybe they could bolt-gun them and feed them to the dogs and cats...)

      Life lesson: Life is about dollar signs, unless you live in some magical world where no one pays for anything and it's all sunshine and roses. All of us own horses who were bred to make money in one way or another, unless we are already wealthy enough to breed our own for amusement value only. Doesn't matter if someone bred it to get a Sabino Pintarabaloosabred Show Horse they'll register on a website hosted by angelfire and get a nifty certificate made in photoshop, if it was a warmblood breeder using choice imported German semen so they can ask $15,000 for a weanling who could snap his leg in the paddock before a saddle ever gets put on his back, or a racehorse breeder hoping he's got the next Rachel Alexandra but knowing odds are it'll be a middling claimer. They're ALL hoping to make money. If they don't breed, they go out of business, and we don't have horses to buy.

      Response: We can buy those horses sitting in the kill pens until they all have homes and THEN all those people can start breeding again. Because someone who'd blow $15k on a weanling is going to get exactly what they need with a sorrel gelding no papers in the New Holland kill pen. Or, only the BEST can breed. Because parental success is a TOTAL predictor. Because of course none of Birdstone's offspring have ever held a candle to Smarty Jones'. Or some breeds are more valuable than others. If it's a Super Inspected Grade A German-Bred Warmblood, it's okay. In fact do AI to cover as many mares as possible. THOSE never end up in bad places. If it's a solid grade pony who's well-built but paperless who's carted the family kids around the county fair circuit for years? Ew, who'd ever want to reproduce THAT? Backyard breeders.

      Not everything bred has value. But unless you have the magic crystal ball saying EXACTLY which cross this year will produce something valuable and which is going to produce junk, how do you say "You may breed, but you cannot."
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        #83
        how about saying, if you breed-you're responsible for that animal until it dies! the law will find you and fee you. perhaps that will stop irresponsible breeding. I have bred dogs and they all carry a contract that they will come back to me if the owners cannot care for them, those that didn't sell, are mine to care for...forever. As are my horses. BE RESPONSIBLE!
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        • #84
          Originally posted by MassageLady View Post
          how about saying, if you breed-you're responsible for that animal until it dies! the law will find you and fee you. perhaps that will stop irresponsible breeding. I have bred dogs and they all carry a contract that they will come back to me if the owners cannot care for them, those that didn't sell, are mine to care for...forever. As are my horses. BE RESPONSIBLE!
          True, but dogs are not horses....

          and how do the horseless get a horse if it isn't for breeders - since it's not a dog, the co-ownership clauses are frowned upon....

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          • #85
            Originally posted by hissking View Post
            Kentucky has been using a form of legal slaughter for animal control purposes since the establishment of the very first county shelter in the state. Euthanasia is used in every county shelter in existence here, and it has not worked to control the population of unwanted cats and dogs yet. Just what makes you think that slaughter of horses will work? How about a more progressive thought process, like maybe don't effing breed them if you dont need them? How about if we take the dollar signs out of it? What do you think would happen then?

            for starters dogs and cats reproduce faster than horses...

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            • #86
              I totally disagree with the if you breed it you are resposible for it for life. It is a horse not a human. Also it becomes the responsibility of the person who owns it. If you can afford to buy it, you can afford to take care of it, if you ca't dont buy it or sell it. If we start giving animals rights like people I might as well ship my self off to a desert island.
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              • #87
                Originally posted by greysandbays View Post
                Nope. Just "horsey women".

                Horsey women view their horsies as surrogate deities, spouses, or offspring -- and they extend this surrogacy to the entire horse population.

                Horsey women usually board their horsie, but might keep their horsie at home on a "farmette". Either way, their horsies don't have to do anything to actuall earn their keep or justify their existence beyond being surrogate deities/spouses/offspring. Occasionally, Horsey women do things for money in the horse buisness, but it rarely provides their sole means of support.

                Horsey women might ride their own horsie (rarely horses) passably well but are not really competent all-around riders. They spend a lot of time and energy endlessly fussing around the barn but don't accomplish much.

                Horsey women are convinced that nobody in the whole world loves horsies more than they themselves do and are equally convinced that their horsie loves them back. They feed treats and "cookies" to their horsies and feel special.

                Horsey women have "issues" with their Significant Others (or utter lack of SO) on acccount of their Horsey womenishness.

                Horsey women have the dillusion of being strong and independent but can't rise to the occasion when dire circustances demand.

                Horsey women fall to pieces upon the death of their surrogate deity/spouse/offspring.

                Horsey women are creatures of over-emotion and under-logic. They frequently co-opt someone else's tragedy in order to get emotional.

                Horsey women usually hold limosine liberal political views -- and include themselves in the class that is entitled to dictate how others should behave in most of life's matters and who must give up what for whoever else.

                Some COTHers (off the top of my head; I'm sure there are others) I am pretty sure are NOT "Horsey women": Bluey, JSwan, Misty Blue, Alagirl.
                FYI, I love both my horses and they are well taking care of ie vet, food etc, but they are not humans or children they are animals.
                Both my horses earn their keep by giving lessons and acting as my personal riding horses for shows and trails.
                I do not like every horse I meet and if some went went to heaven I would think this world wound be a better place for it.
                Most of the time when I have to get hay, take my horses to the vet, load then or anything ese I do it not my huband.
                I am a copetant rider who is certified to teach and I have broke and trained my share of horses, some being very dangerous.
                oh and I am not liberal, very conservative.
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                • #88
                  Originally posted by aucowwy View Post
                  FYI, I love both my horses and they are well taking care of ie vet, food etc, but they are not humans or children they are animals.
                  Both my horses earn their keep by giving lessons and acting as my personal riding horses for shows and trails.
                  I do not like every horse I meet and if some went went to heaven I would think this world wound be a better place for it.
                  Most of the time when I have to get hay, take my horses to the vet, load then or anything ese I do it not my huband.
                  I am a copetant rider who is certified to teach and I have broke and trained my share of horses, some being very dangerous.
                  oh and I am not liberal, very conservative.
                  If you are taking umbrage and your self-description is at all accurate, I fear you have misconstrued the concept of "horsey women".

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                  • #89
                    I missed it then- no being sarcastic. Please reinterate.
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                    • #90
                      Originally posted by aucowwy View Post
                      I missed it then- no being sarcastic. Please reinterate.
                      I had a longish post all typed out, then the cyber-gremlin ate it.

                      Short version: "Horsey women" is a dysfunctional sub-set of "People involved with horses.

                      If your school math included diagramming "sets" and "sub-sets", this concept could be illustrated by drawing a big circle and labeling it "People Involved With Horses". Inside that circle, draw a ring of circles labeled "Social Hobbyists", "Anti-social Hobbyists", "Physical Activity Hobbyists", "Competitors", and there would probably be a few others (some of these circles would have some overlap).

                      Inside this ring of circles, draw another circle labeled "Horsey Women". There would be some overlap with the previously mentioned sub-sets, more in some, less in others. This is the dysfunctional fringe that has bats in their belfry.

                      There would be other subsets like Dedicated Horsemen, Casual Horsemen, True Professionals, and Neglecters/Abusers that would not overlap Horsey Women and thus not pertinent to this concept.

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                      • #91
                        greysandbays is making perfect sense to me. I know exactly the type he's talking about and they ARE utterly oblivious. Though I think he's (uh...he? no offense if I"m wrong!) missing a set, possibly a subset or just with overlap, of Horsey Women who are urbanites, limousine liberals, very wealthy, may or may not be married, like to ride and show the pretty horsey but aren't interested in daily care. They do not groom for themselves, they don't muck, they haven't got the faintest idea how to run a barn, wouldn't know a hay field if they did a faceplant in it, only know about feeds based on the latest nutrition fad they read about and will bug the owner about, but they love to bring friends to shows to coo over the horsie and admire the stylin' show clothes of whatever persuasion and sit in the nifty director's chairs patting horsie and sipping drinks. And of COURSE they are anti-slaughter/anti-breeding/anti-whatever-rollkur-is/anti-doping (unless it's the ace their trainer uses before every round on horsie)/anti-profit, you can't make MONEY off horsie. (May or may not appear on a reality television show about 'real housewives', includes a subset where making money off horsie matters when they miss too many payments on the Beemer or the McMansion and need the sale or insurance money.)
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                        • #92
                          Originally posted by danceronice View Post
                          greysandbays is making perfect sense to me. I know exactly the type he's talking about and they ARE utterly oblivious. Though I think he's (uh...he? no offense if I"m wrong!) missing a set, possibly a subset or just with overlap, of Horsey Women who are urbanites, limousine liberals, very wealthy, may or may not be married, like to ride and show the pretty horsey but aren't interested in daily care. They do not groom for themselves, they don't muck, they haven't got the faintest idea how to run a barn, wouldn't know a hay field if they did a faceplant in it, only know about feeds based on the latest nutrition fad they read about and will bug the owner about, but they love to bring friends to shows to coo over the horsie and admire the stylin' show clothes of whatever persuasion and sit in the nifty director's chairs patting horsie and sipping drinks. And of COURSE they are anti-slaughter/anti-breeding/anti-whatever-rollkur-is/anti-doping (unless it's the ace their trainer uses before every round on horsie)/anti-profit, you can't make MONEY off horsie. (May or may not appear on a reality television show about 'real housewives', includes a subset where making money off horsie matters when they miss too many payments on the Beemer or the McMansion and need the sale or insurance money.)

                          I actually think Greysandbays covered that in the original lengthy post, I know I read it....that was found by some sooo offensive

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                          • #93
                            Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                            I actually think Greysandbays covered that in the original lengthy post, I know I read it....that was found by some sooo offensive
                            I'm thinking those for whom "the shoe fits" found it most offensive because they saw in it their own reflection and were outraged. Cinderella thought her fancy slipper should make her special and wasn't fond of anybody thinking otherwise.

                            Non-qualifiers that expressed an opinion mostly seemed to find it accurate and amusing.

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                            • #94
                              Originally posted by greysandbays View Post
                              I'm thinking those for whom "the shoe fits" found it most offensive because they saw in it their own reflection and were outraged.
                              Keep telling yourself that, it will help you continue to categorize people in specific groups so you can feel more secure about yourself. I just want everyone to be happy.
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                              • #95
                                Oh, the shoe most definately fit more then a few feet on here, that was why there was all the outrage. Personally, I found it pretty accurate having worked with a bunch of "horsey women" from Greenwich Village in NY and I got a good laugh out of it. Kudos Grey and Dancer!!

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                                • #96
                                  I see now Thanks
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