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  • Oh they are all related somewhere! I train for a TB rescue / rehab and they all seem to haveNative Dancer in there or Hyperion - Nasrullah - Nearco.... if I have 5 horses in training - I have fun looking at their pedigrees and saying - he is his half nephew and those tow are second cousins... etc etc - hee hee. Sometimes the way I can tell a horse was better bred is to see that the sire and dam were winning horses themselves... but truth is, as riding horses, you gotta go by the horse on his own conformation, mind and merit in general.

    For instance, I helped a barn liquidate their horses - they tended to breed anythign to anything - yes, there were big names in the pedigrees but you coudl tell by looking at the record that a lot of the horses were young when bred and down a series of generations - doing some checking - a horse woudl blow out an ankle and never do much at the track but because he had some Native Dancer in there and some something else, he was taken back and bred to everything though he really never amounted to much and then his offspring sent to train with cheapie trainers and broke down fast adn then sent hoem to be bred and bred - nothing careful and there I was - trying to place some TBs that are the type that sort of stay "green forever" and too dangerous for most horsepeople to handle and not worth the effort for most experienced horse people. So, of course, I bougth two of them (I am a sucker - they were very pretty to look at).

    Anyone want to share their dosage for their horse and describe what kind fo a worker they are - if they are physically really strong, agile and have good endurance? BE HONEST! It woudl be interesting to see if the thoughts on dosage are real.

    Speedy has a very very low dosage - one woudl like for a stakes winner type. My two mares have a high dosage and they both are athletic and terrific but they are nto as physically strong as Speedy. Also, Speedy was given so many chances as a racer and sold for a lot of money and never raced in cheapie races - he did go in some claimers in the end but everything was a high dollar claimer (he hurt his shoulder and after that never raced as well as he had). The two mares were tested and never raced. So I woudl think the dosage did reflect their performance as a racehorse. I have a 17.3 TB in training and though he woudl make a fabulous A hunter - he is not as agile and powerful as Speedy - not even close so I want to look up his pedigree and see - I am goignt o bet it is high.

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    • Not suprised N. Dancer is everywhere in steeplechase bloodlines - Northern Baby is (I think?) one of THE most successful sires of steeplechase horses.

      Interesting you like the Danzig breds, Devildog - we had a little colt by Makin (Danzig X Give Thanks) who was a snarky little critter. I've heard that a lot of the Danzig bred horses can have a bit of an 'attitude'.

      'O lente, lente currite noctis equi' - Ovid

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      • I just wanted to chime in about What Luck -- I have a What Luck mare:

        La Body Beautiful

        By Lejoli out of a What Luck daughter. You may notice she's double Bold Ruler, close up .. .and she looks it! I love this mare though, she's so classy and her last owner used her as a trail horse and would gallop her on the trails. I have ridden her and she's very sweet, a little on the muscle but not bad at all. She's going to be bred to a Swedish Warmblood in the spring, if I can get her in foal -- she's 16 now and I hope I get another baby out of her. She also has Sir Ivor close up. She's a 3/4 sister to Ambassador in Love, who is now deceased, but was approved for Trak breeding. I found this mare in the local trader paper!

        The other mare I have that makes great big nice sporthorse babies is a Nijinsky granddaughter: Dramatic Beauty

        She's just 15hh but has big foals -- she also has Damascus and Turn-To in there. She's a nervous mare though, and can be a little nutty at times, but is a nice riding horse. She hates to be alone. I have heard the Nijinskis can be the nervous type, a little "hotter".

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        • Is anyone familiar with a stallion Continental Morn as having potential hunter offspring?

          He has Blushing Groom, Fleet Treat, Raja Baba, Well Decorated?

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          • Southern Promise

            Here's my yearling 1/2-TB filly. She's by a son of Capote - how are Seattle Slew babies in the non-racing world? I have high hopes for her so I hope you give me the right answer
            Erin
            Dodon Farm Training Center - on Facebook

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            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silly Mommy:
              OK, I'm not as much a dummy as I thought. Found one!
              <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              Here's another one:

              http://www.tbheritage.com/Portraits/BlueLarkspur.html
              Erin
              Dodon Farm Training Center - on Facebook

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              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beethoven:
                My friend wants to look up her horse, but he is not on pedigreequery, so what is the website where you can type in the horses name and get their parents. There was a post earlier this year explaining how to do this, but I can't find it!
                <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                You have to pay for the service, but you can use either Brisnet or Equineline

                Also, wanderlust - who is your guy's dam? You could always add him to Pedigree Query (or let me do it...)!

                Erin
                Erin
                Dodon Farm Training Center - on Facebook

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                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by doublete:

                  Mine is by Common Grounds.. Can anyone find a picture of him? I just ran a google search and didnt have any luck...

                  Retraining and rehabbing Off Track TB's.
                  http://www.geocities.com/doubletefarm<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Try contacting the farm where he stood stud -- I contacted the people at Coolmore (and their US division) and they sent me their full color stallion brochure with Alzao's info in it as well as a bunch of other info on him. A quick search reveals that Common Ground spent some time at the stud farm linked below. Good luck.

                  link to stud farm

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                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horse_hugger:
                    Also, wanderlust - who is your guy's dam? You could always add him to Pedigree Query (or let me do it...)!
                    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
                    He's out of Diamond Duo by Badger Land, with Ribot on both top and bottom in the 4th. Also has Count Fleet and Bold Ruler in the 4th. Not too shabby.

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                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wanderlust:
                      I just yesterday bought a half brother to Real Quiet (Derby and Preakness winner). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      From the rest of your post, it appears you meant to say that you bought a horse by Quiet American (as is Real Quiet).

                      In breeding parlance, horses are only half siblings if they are out of the same mare. This is because a stallion can sire over 125 foals per year. While a mare can have only one. So, if every foal by one stallion was said to be a half brother/sister to every other foal, the term would become meaningless.

                      If you did buy a horse out of Really Blue, then forgive the above..... You are correct -- you did buy a half brother to Real Quiet.
                      "He lives in a cocoon of solipsism"

                      Charles Krauthammer speaking about Trump

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                      • Another stallion inquiry-

                        Does anyone know a stallion named Roscius? If so do you know anything about his offspring?

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                        • Cool, I guess my mare's pedigree is pretty nice: http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...=Standard&x2=y

                          She wants to be an eventer, I think. Great jump, bold, all-business gallop. But she's a sweetie who charms everyone, fab work ethic, and has tried her heart out doing dressage with me. If I were rich, I would clone her. Then send the baby to a real rider who could do more with it than I have with my girl!

                          MsDuch

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                          • Original Poster

                            At the risk of looking really stupid I'm going to ask what is dosage?

                            Mary

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                            • What a very interesting topic! Sadlers Wells is my horses Grandfather on his Sire's side, and Mr. Prospector was his Grandfather on his dams side . . . All truly confusing for me. But cool none the less!

                              Thanks for the link to find out his pedigree. I even saw some Native and Northern Dancer in there.
                              ~Horses lend us the wings we lack~ \"unknown\"

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                              • Dosage explained:

                                http://www.chef-de-race.com/

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                                • My two seem to run true to their dosage, but it's tough to say, as it's not like you get a true test of stamina in the hunter world. But one has a DI of 0.41 with the more important (IMO) CD=-0.58 (fairly uncommon for a US TB), and he does take a while for his motor to get humming. Then he is perfectly content to cruise right along. Nice trait in a hunter. The other one is DI=1.75/CD=0.55 and his motor does get in gear a little faster. But these are still fairly low numbers for sprint crazy American TBs so I am not sure what it really says about dosage and sport horses (other than we already KNEW we wanted the dam's pedigree loaded for endurance!)

                                  On the topic of dosage, I noticed most of Denny's stallions were in that classic model of endurance on the bottom with speed/endurance on the top. And Reputed Testimony is one of the nicest looking horses I have seen in a while.

                                  The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right time, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
                                  Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
                                    From the rest of your post, it appears you meant to say that you bought a horse by Quiet American (as is Real Quiet).

                                    If you did buy a horse out of Really Blue, then forgive the above..... You are correct -- you did buy a half brother to Real Quiet.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Dammit, I knew that. In fact, have often corrected people on it. Big brain cramp, brought on by big headache, brought on lack of sleep (and lack of any money in savings account ) due to excitement over the new pony.

                                    Thanks for the correction, LHU.

                                    ~formerly Master Tally~

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                                    • Original Poster

                                      OK, I went to the site...thanks Simke....Rave has a dosage of 2.0 and a CD of .43.
                                      So what does that mean?
                                      He bled out badly as a 2 yr old and lost, then as a 3 yr old ran 4 more times on Lasix and lost badly. He was a terrible race horse. He is a wonderful show hunter.
                                      I read about it, but am dixlexic and really don't get it. Sorry all.....please help.
                                      Mary

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                                      • inmotion - what are his numbers (the stuff inside the parens)?

                                        The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right time, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
                                        Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                                        • Okay, here's dosage as relates to distance:

                                          Distance Average DI Average CD
                                          5 1/2 f 4.46 0.81
                                          6 f 4.50 0.87
                                          6 1/2 f 4.01 0.81
                                          7 f 3.97 0.81
                                          8 f 3.18 0.67
                                          8f & 70 yds 3.42 0.71
                                          8 1/2 f 3.15 0.67
                                          9 f 2.96 0.63
                                          9 1/2 f 2.58 0.55
                                          10 f 2.58 0.55
                                          11 f 2.09 0.43
                                          12 f 2.06 0.41

                                          Blah, can't make the table come out well.

                                          It's in this article. Dosage is just a way of classing TB's. A high DI means they're sprinters, a low one means they're more likely to do well over distance.

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