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  • Hey Carolinagirl-

    My new greenie is a grandson of Seattle Slew too!! He is by Canadian Slew and out of Guilty Miss

    My other new baby is by Dig Zig and out of Geliefan.
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    • My first horse, Try Friday, was by Cabin Mate and out of Lisa Sugar...he had Whirlaway like 2 lines back, and when I was little, I used to brag to anyone who would listen...lol

      My boy now is by Rollicking...dont know his dam though...considering my trainer bred him, I guess I could just ask, lol

      ~Try Friday~
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      • I placed a Native Prospector horse (I work for an OTTB rescue/rehab) and he is sound and incredible for jumping - like the kind of jumper people search the globe for. He's actually a grandson of. I have heard the Northern Dancers are good jumpers but have soundness issues. btu to be honest, I have 8 TBs in my barn right now and they all are somehow related to each other - most have Native Dancer and Northern Dancer and Man O War and Hyperion and Tom Fool and Princequillo and Secretariat and and and - they all seem to be related - I guess you sort of want to look at just the last two generations or you could get confused looking at too many pedigrees.

        I mean, I have one Native Dancer great grandson and he's about as un-athletic a horse as I have ever met and DEAD quiet - best for trail. Not a 'forward thinker' at all and so forget showhorse. He's not it. But pleasant and sweet for sure.

        My main squeeze in my barn is Slightly Speedy - a 15.3 very heavy boned Irish TB from the Princequillo line with Bold Ruler - and his mother's line is mostly Irish lines with Ribot in there. His dosage is very low and he was very good as a racer in Ireland until he hurt himself in a steeplechase. He is extremely gifted as a jumper but panicks over jumps and I am thinking it was due to his bad fall.

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        • A new horse just came in at my barn... out of a Damascus DAUGHTER by a Breeder's Cup Juvenile winner (Success Express). Very sweet horse, good conformation. I haven't seen him move yet, but I could be in trouble if I do and like what I see. He seems to be pretty calm about most things though.

          Dressager
          You don't throw a whole life away just because its a little banged up - Tom Smith
          You don't throw a whole life away just because its a little banged up - Tom Smith

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          • They had a thread about this recently on the Racing forum. Turns out, a pet peeve of many racing industry folk is when we refer to a famous ancestor that is farther back than a parent (some are OK w/grandparents).

            I looked up my never-raced TBs ancestry online a few weeks ago and was happy to find Native Dancer and War Admiral back there. WAY back there I laughed at myself, figuring ALL TBs out there have someone famous back there, I mean that's why they were bred! I figured his lineage wasn't anything more than novelty, which is just as well to me since he does his job well (as a dressage horse, go figure!) It was interesting because my gelding actually looks like a chestnut version of Native Dancer...but then again, he is a TB so how different could he possibly look? (please don't flame me for this last thing, it's just an offhanded comment and not a blanket statement about TBs)

            Horses--especially racehorses--are not bred at random (people aren't "bred" completely at random, but it is certainly more random than racehorse breeding). I had some fun the other night choosing horse names completely at random and doing pedigree research on them. I would search "Charlie" -- I don't actually know this horse, but I figured there was a good chance that there was a racehorse with this name and I was right. He shared a lot of ancestry w/my own horse. I did the same for several other horses and they all had famous guys back there...4th and 5th generation back there!

            So, I guess my horse and I are going to have to get by on our wits alone, rather than good breeding (I certainly don't have any famous relatives to brag about!)

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            • My new boy is a half brother to CarolinaGirl's new boy, by Seattle Sleet (Seattle Slew). His dam is by Trempolino, and I was pleased to see she is the grandaugter of Green Dancer.

              You can see his pedigree here: Went a Dancin'
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              • Linny: THANK YOU!!!!! I never imagined I would learn so much. What a gift. Thank you so much. I will post recent pictures of Sweetie soon. Her name fits her. She has an outstanding attitude.


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                • My current OTTB, Ufology, is by Stage Colony by Pleasant Colony. He's out of Twilight Zone(NZ). She placed in a stakes race I believe. Ufology's breeder owns Stage Colony.

                  My new TB that's coming is a 3 y.o who failed during race training (he was too slow). He is by Rubiano out of Movie Miss. I'm getting him for FREE, sight unseen, and pic unseen, except for shipping. Good deal! The breeder (who also bred Ufology), paid $10k for his breeding, too! Rubiano is standing at Lanes End farm.

                  Both these horses will be trained to jump. I'm sure they will make wonderful jumpers. Ufology will make a WONDERFUL mid level dressage horse.

                  I used to have a previous OTTB. He was by Corwyn Bay (IRE) out of Blowing Bubbles. He was a wonderful jumper, but a piss poor race horse.

                  Alright.. I just thought I'd add this in :-)

                  Lisa

                  Owner of:

                  · AQHA Guerratera
                  · Murphy, 9 yr old Paint gelding
                  · Utah.. aka Ufology 4 y.o OTTB gelding..
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                  Mighty TB; OTTB; & Thread Killers cliques..
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                  • Agree - it is a novelty - a lot of people are mesmerized by their horse's pedigree and frankly, I think that is wonderful for them - do not let the racing industry put a damper on that - but to be real, as someone who works in and out of that industry to a degree - I see so many OTTBS, that after a while, the pedigrees start looking very similar as they are all criss crossed with each other. I think that what 'matters' are not just the parents but their parents but really that is it. What did the sire accomplish? What did the sire's sire accomplish? There has been a lot of breeding out there and sometimes a horse will be born to a great sire (one out of many) and that stallion will not amount to anything and then will be bred to a nice mare with no real genes of greatness and then you get a so-so racer. AND of course, many so-so racers make GLORIOUS show horses... and a lot of GREAT racers make terrible riding horses.

                    But it is still fun to look at sometimes. I have to giggle sometimes because I will be like HEY - Trey is Richie's nephew! OH and Oucata is Trey's second cousin (twice) and Storm's half brother... all in one barn. Wonder if they say "say hi to Aunt RosieRunner, please!" hee hee

                    But I do want to add that when I see a Slew son or grandson I seem to be able to spot them. They seem to move so nicely.

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                    • I was wondering if anyone in Texas has heard of a stallion named Uncopyable. He's the sire of my gelding. Uncopyable was a Texas accredited stallion, is dead now.

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                      • Linny, could youm look up "Dreamers Disease"?? That is Benjies real name....it may have an apostrophe in it...
                        My mare Corellis is by Blue Cinders(who is by a full brother to Bold Ruler) out of Royal Core by Cormac out of Call Royal by Bonne Nuit..That is her real JC name ...where do you look them up? Same as we do online or do you ahve a secret ???? Gotta love the Bold Rulers even with the attitude!

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                        • Corellis is clsely related to Nancy's "Foolish." I use the Del Mar pedigree site and all the rest is just me spewing otherwise useless info that I have picked up. This what mR Linny calls "useless info that won't ever make me money" and he's right.
                          Neither of them are in the Delmar database. I hae a CDrom at work that should have them, it's from BRIS. I can do them at work in the am. I found out this morning that I have the day off! How did I get so lucky?

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                          • I've had a couple Present Value babies, they are terrific. I tried posting his pedigree on horse prodegy but the link didnt' work. I know a few were sold back east a few years ago, and I think are doing well in the hunters. One of my babies (Morning Star) was sold back east, but did really well in the jr. medals in Cal. This is a great line for the medals, they are flashy, but not too big. Very athletic, spunky horses. I loved every one of them.

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                            • Incredible stuff and so very interesting
                              I looked up my latest Irish import who is aching to be a **** eventer. He is by a TB stallion with Roberto as paternal grandpa and Arts and Letters as maternal grandpa and out of a Diamond Lad mare. I guess he looks good on paper as well as under tack

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                              • Carolina Girl
                                Seattle Sleet himself was not a star but he is descended from a great female family. I think he was bred by EP Taylor's Windfields Farm.
                                I'm ot familiar with his female family but it is rare to see a 1997 foal with Nasrullah in the third cross.

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                                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SunshineGA:
                                  Yep! Must be an Unbridled thing! So what have we learned? BE careful about Unbridled lines (which is probably why we don't see any on the hunter circuit)

                                  I've also heard the Prospector babies have lameness issues, anyone experience this? The one gelding had ankle problems (and some brain problems... lazy as all get out and wouldnt jump at all) and the other gelding had a fractured shoulder when I got him to begin with so ended up with problems anyway.

                                  Sir Ivor progeny are great!

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                                  Unbridled was by Fappiano who himself has sired quite a few nice hunters. Unbridled also sired one of Aaron Vale's GP jumpers (forget his name) and I believe it was BB'er Heather who met Unbridled in Kentucky a few years ago and said he was a lamb. Perhaps these "nuts" as you call them were their mother's children? Not good to go on a public bb and bash a sire without all of the facts, you know?

                                  My own horse Rhodes Point is by a stallion called Press Card who is by Fappiano who is by Mr. P. His sire's dam line is Never Bend (Nasrullah) and his dam's dam line is Secretariat (Bold Ruler). While I choose to event him he could easily be a hunter or eq. horse. He is a good jumper with a tic-toc natural rhythm.

                                  My mare Willow was a very heavily Nasrullah bred horse, with some lovely English TB bloodlines on the dam's dam side. Notably Owen Tudor/Tudor Minstrel. She was gorgeous and everything you would picture an event horse to be - catty and agile and fearless.

                                  Ti Amo Romance, the offspring of Willow that bb'er Fred and I bred, is by A Fine Romance and brings even more Nasrullah blood to the equation, though he also brings Fred's fantastic contribution of Gay Missile/Missy Baba to the equation. He was bred to be an athlete, and we will see where his career takes him. At this point my hope is that he will be an FEI three-day horse.

                                  Robby

                                  edit to add: I found This Site On Fappiano while searching and thought it was pretty neat. I'm looking for a picture of him as he was quite stunning. He died at age 13, and Unbridled died young too.

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                                  • Fappiano was gorgeous. I would love to have bred to him. Someone earlier (JUNO?) had a horse out of Lassie Dear.. Lassie Dear is a daughter of Gay Missile.. dam of Brave Shot, sire of A Fine Romance.
                                    It scares me how young stallions often die.
                                    My vet (also vet for Cdn eventing team) was once vet for a big race horse breeding barn (where Brave Shot stood!) and we were talking about stallion mortality. He said that 16-17 seems to be a critical age for them. If they get past that, they often live into old age......
                                    Our 'little' Ti Amo looks like one very high class hunter......
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                                    • I have seen Gold Bridge often in the pedigrees I've pulled up. Anyone know his story? Also the stallion Fair Trial by Fairway? Thanks for any info

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                                      • well my OTTB's are all British or Irish.
                                        My current mare Foxwood Polo is by Glacial Storm out of a Deep Run mare.
                                        Glacial Storm I have never found a photo of but he was a chestnut with 'chrome' like Foxy. he stood at Coolmore in Ireland in their NH section.
                                        Deep Run was one of the best steeplechasing sires of the 70/80s/90s.

                                        My previous mare also was a Deep Run granddaughter.

                                        Foxy is a big substantial mare with great movement and a bold jump. Hope to event her after she has bred me a gorgeous foal!
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                                        • My beast is out of Winter Tobin and by Fatih. Anyone know of these horses? Native Dancer bloodlines. Almost every horse in his pedigree has his same body type: pretty thick for a TB...almost warmblood type. Great mover, adorable jump, brain leaves much to be desired .

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