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  • Thanks Mary. I knew that Soph was something special, but I had never really checked out Ozzy's lines, just knew I liked him! I tell you, that woman has an eye for the horses. Just sold a grey Caro bred stud, I want to say it was personality issues, but could have just been the right price at the right time, you know? Also gelded 2 yrs ago a well bred chestnut who was just gorgeous. I got really lucky when I found her.
    My old hunter Monty out in CA was a Ribot grandson. If he's still alive, he'll be turning 23 this year. He was big (17 hands) and could jump the moon. On the name thing, someone saw fit to change his registered name from Bob's Greco (ick) to "Tiny Tim". I just couldn't show that big guy as Tiny Tim, so we went for Lord Montague. It worked. Abby is Say Yes First. I used it, but wasn't happy about it. Sophie I had contol over, so she is Sweetsofistication...and that one you will see in the ring some day (and hopefully hear announced over the intercom!)

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    • Has anyone heard of these two stallions-I posted earlier in this thread and on H/J for the first one but thought I would give it one more go:

      http://www.pedigreequery.com/tmp/149...4020303474.php

      or

      http://www.pedigreequery.com/tmp/150...1876122342.php

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      • Hi there. I couldn't get the links to work, might by my less than exceptional computer skills though. What are the names of the studs?

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        • The stallions are Roscius and Cobra King....

          I just KNOW if I ask about Roscius in enough places someone will have something to say

          I wish I could post the pedigree-both are pretty fancy

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          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beezer:
            Madeline, I see your point, I honestly do.

            But there is no way, no how I am showing a horse named Rusty Gun. Just not gonna do it. And off the top of my head, I can think of _dozens_ of other registered names that would have been deal breakers for me.

            _***** Dear Santa: All I want for Christmas is two good knees. *****_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            Madeline, I see your point too, and I would not change a horse's name unless the old name really bugged me.

            And my goodness. WHO would name a filly Road Weary and then be surprised that she didn't win at the track?

            (But, it was the owner before me who changed the name.)
            If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by poltroon:


              And my goodness. WHO would name a filly Road Weary and then be surprised that she didn't win at the track?

              (But, it was the owner before me who changed the name.)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


              The same fools that named my first TB US Choice

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              • Among my favorite "nope" names: Look Out Below.

                Cute ... but not for any horse you hoped would leave up the obstacles!

                ***** Dear Santa: All I want for Christmas is two good knees. *****
                Congratulate me! My CANTER cutie is an honor student at Goofball University!

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                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LMH:
                  The stallions are Roscius and Cobra King....

                  I just KNOW if I ask about Roscius in enough places someone will have something to say

                  I wish I could post the pedigree-both are pretty fancy<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  So what was Roscius from? The last crop of Stage Door Johhny? I had no idea he was still breeding that late.

                  As for Cobra King, his pedigree is very interesting. I have a mental notation to always keep an eye out for Farma Way (deceased) offspring since a) he was a drop dead beautiful, classic hunter style horse and b) his tail line is Diplomat Way, which seems to work for some hunter people out there. AND, Cobra King's dam is a Fabled Monarch mare, and Fabled Monarch (stood at Warioto) has produced some nice hunter offspring. Nationally ranked offspring, IIRC...

                  Now that picture on pedigree query isn't so hot, but that may not mean a damn thing. It would be interesting to see him move and his offspring.

                  The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right time, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
                  Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                  • Phew-DMK THANK YOU for finally noticing me frantically waving here-I thought you might like some of the names in the boys pedigrees.

                    I don't know if Roscious was the last crop of Stage Door Johnny but certainly close.

                    I am not certain if Roscious is breeding TODAY-I can't find any offspring listed after 1997. I know he was sold to carry on in the hunters and supposedly was breeding at that time. He would be about 16yo now I believe.

                    I thought Cobra King might catch your eye for the Diplomat Way blood and I of course was drawn to Fabled Monarch.

                    Perhaps when Roscius went on the the hunter life, they changed his name?

                    One stud to make you coo is Not For Love-mentioned earlier in this thread. Talk about a LOOKER!

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                    • Roscius filed a report of mare bred in 2002, so he was still breeding last year.

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                      • Yup, that Diplomat Way certainly does it for me! The way I look at it, Marfa and Farma Way were both exceptionally good lookig horses, Diplomat Way certainly produces lookers, Fabled Monarch does the same.

                        Most people talk about influence, when in truth they are looking at something 3-4 generations back (I am guilty of the same thing). In this case you are at least talking about the immediate family.

                        Let me know if you find any Marfa Way mares.

                        The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right time, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
                        Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                        • Oh Simkie can you give me details? Where did you find the info...I would actually love to know who owns him so i could contact them.

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                          • I know my old trainer from high school (when I showed hunters) bred her mare to Quiet Cat, and a few of her students bought his offspring. Just looked him up on pedigreequery, and lo and behold there is a little i next to his name and when you click it is says "well known hunter sire". I didn't see anything spectacular in his breeding, but I could be missing things, just took a quick look. Apparently he produced well though. Anyone out there know anything about him?

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                            • Hmm, and I am just guessing, but Simkie may be linked in to Jockey Club interactive. You can order just about anything from equineline.com for a price. They have specials every month that you can get for free. I don't remember what this month's was.

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                              • hrsrdr37, would it count if I handled Young Ralph ("Alfie") on and off for about 7 years, bred my mare to him, handled about 5 or 6 of his half siblings, have a few dozen pictures of him, named many of his offspring, and knew his dam as well as I knew Alfie?

                                Oh yea, he did sire the horse that set the world record at 5 1/2 furlongs (HeckofaRalp - Young Ralph X Heckofadevil)...

                                The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right time, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
                                Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                                • Color me just as surprised to see your post. It's not like he was an even minorly well known stallion in FL. In fact he pretty much only bred home mares and a few neighborig farm's mare in SFL (the dam's name is not familiar, but I will probably be at the farm this Christmas and will check and see if she is a mare that came after I left the farm).

                                  But he was one of my all time favorite horses, and .

                                  My scanner isn't hooked up at this exact moment, and I have to head off to work, so if I may not be able to add anything until tonight or tomorrow afternoon.

                                  "I used to care, but things have changed..." Bob Dylan
                                  Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                                  • Okay, here's my mare...

                                    http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...=Standard&x2=n

                                    I've read all of the posts here and was waiting for someone to bring up Vice Regent, who is my mare's grandsire on the top, who I understand was quite prolific especially here in Ontario. This mare is quite heavily Native Dancer bred through Nearctic-&gt;Northern Dancer a couple of times (I know, who isn't?) and one cross through Native Dancer-&gt;Native Charger (who someone referred to a little earlier in the thread). She also has an additional Nearctic cross on the dam side through Saber Thrust.

                                    Her dosage numbers are:
                                    4-1-6-0-1 (12)
                                    DI = 2.00
                                    CD = 0.58

                                    Any comments on her sport horse suitability from pedigree and dosage alone? Any anecdotes from anyone who's had similarly bred horses?

                                    I'm pretty much a dosage neophyte so if anyone can interpret an opinion of them, in somewhat laymen's terms, I'd love that

                                    She's my cup of tea, but not to everyone's liking! Here she is strutting her stuff in the dressage ring

                                    ~Mighty TB Clique~
                                    "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity." ~ Ellen Parr
                                    ~Mighty TB Clique~

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                                    • OK, hrsrdr, here are a few pics of Alfie...

                                      You will have to forgive the pose, at that point in my life I was showing QHs and the 3/4 rear view is mandatory for that discipline. I do have a conformation pic in an 8X10, but just the thought of taking out of the frame and putting it on the scanner defeats me...

                                      All these pics were taken around 1984-85, and if you are wondering what is going on with that RF leg, that would be the mother of all bows. I have seen and worked on literally 100s of bowed tendons, and never seen one as bad as his. But knowing the farm trainer and the track trainer, that bow was not caused by a structural weakness in the horse. That bow had a cause, and it was caused by human ignorance.

                                      Alfie was bred by the farm I worked at. His dam, Stage Door Betty was one of the winningest daughters of Stage Door Johnny, and she looked a lot like SDJ. She was also the most dominant, nasty, confident old wench of a mare I ever came across. A total displeasure for anyone to work with. Unless of course you were her mother, Betty Sessa (a wonderful person and we miss her so much). Then she was a total sweetie. But she was a real one person horse and she would light up everytime she saw Betty drive by on her golf cart. The only other person she ever tolerated was man named Frank Presley. But even Frank had to request the presence of Ms. Betty when it was time to catch the old wench.

                                      In one of the strangest things I have ever seen, her fillies were eeeeeeeeevil, almost studish aggressive (her filly, Dark Starski, had people at the track fearing her arrival months before she ever left the farm). But her colts were as laid back and mellow as anything I ever met. Unfortunately she liked to produce fillies. Sigh...

                                      I got Alfie in my layup barn after that - ahem - bow. I don't think anyone thought he would make it back after that, and somewhere along the line they decided to use him as the farm stallion. So he became a permanent resident in my string, since that was where we kept the breeding stallions. He was the perfect gentleman from day one. There are not too many TBs in a busy barn I would trust to ground tie in an aisle to be groomed, but he was one of them.

                                      His offspring tended to be stamped by the dam, expecially the fillies. The boys looked a little more like Ralph, and some of them had his massiveness (he was one stout horse). He did have that funny knack of creating an aggressive filly and a sweet colt just like his mother though. And it was anyone's guess what size horse he would produce, but if the dam had a tendency to throw small, then small was probably what you got. Naturally when I bred my 15'0 QH mare to him (a not so humble mare in her own right), of course I got a chestnut filly who grew to... 14'3... (sigh) My friend bred her mare that same year, and got a bay colt. My filly went on to be known as the spawn of Satan (we revisited the "who is the boss" question at least monthly, and she never won, but she never gave up hope either). Meanwhile the colt was and is the sweetest thing on the planet.

                                      I would love to see some pics of your guy, and forward them on to the farm. I know they would like to see them too!

                                      "I used to care, but things have changed..." Bob Dylan
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                                      • another pic

                                        "I used to care, but things have changed..." Bob Dylan
                                        Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                                        • And one of my favorites

                                          "I used to care, but things have changed..." Bob Dylan
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