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  • #41
    Am I the only one that is dying to know where Greysandbays lives???

    My RETIRED horse costs me an average of $425 a month normally! That's with front shoes every 6 weeks, wormer, and pasture board! That's not including the $150 twice a year for fall and spring shots!!!!

    As his feet are looking better these days, we just pulled his shoes and I'm looking for some less expensive options in VA and southward (anyone with great options, feel free to contact me!). The cheapest I've ever heard was some pasture board places that were like $5 or $6 a day... and they basically go out on hundreds of acres to live out their golden years with minimal human interaction.

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    • #42
      Yes, yes, yes!!

      I'd like to move where I can take care of a horse for $450/yr!
      I pay close to $8000/yr for 3 horses (that includes partial board for a pony and a lesson horse) and that doesn't include show costs, vet, farrier, transportation, insurance, etc. I've never seen a tube of wormer for $3 either!


      Sheeeeesh, I'm living in the wrong place!

      As for the rest - tell your friend to pay his board. Simple as that.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
        Sorry to break it to you but - THAT is legal advice.
        I guess I was reading it in a different light...more like conversation that actual advice. Didn't mean for it to come out that way. Since it has all been copied/pasted- there is no point in deleting the post- but I'll do it anyway.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Tini Sea Soldier View Post
          Am I the only one that is dying to know where Greysandbays lives???

          I live where you can keep a healthy horse as a backyard pet for about $1000 a year, but it costs me $500 a year in basic supplies to keep two house cats. I think the place where you can keep a horse for $450 a year is NeverNeverland for most of us.

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          • #45
            I think the saying is "...possession is 9/10ths of the law..."

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            • #46
              I don't think it's fair to expect a BO to absorb the costs of caring for someone else's animal. Pay the board or sell it & pay the BO, before the horse leaves the property.

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              • #47
                I feel sorry for the horse. If the Owner is not able to sell the horse they should catch up on board and maybe work with the barn owner to sell the horse and come up with some split, but from the sounds of these parties involved, who knows what a raging mess that would be!

                Lots of people, especially now, have had to tighten their belts and luxories are the first to suffer or go and lets face it horses are luxories. Most barn owners and trainer do the best they can and are sympathetic and understanding people but they don't have to be, it is their grace in situations like this to help people get through a tough time or find a solution. But in this case, the turn off , for me, unless I misunderstood was the horse owner being upset the barn owner would make an additional profit off the money owed, which to me almost sounds like the horse owner could care less about the horse's fate and would be fine with the barn owner selling the horse as long as they do all the work and only keep the board owed and turn over the "extra." That is not exactly the best character description of a person.

                I hope for the horse the situation works out best for them and heed the advice about getting dragged in, when it comes to money people act crazy and when it comes to horses people act crazy so combine the two and you have a powder keg!
                "All life is precious"
                Sophie Scholl

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by DiablosHalo View Post
                  One of my boarders got behind 2 months (for the tune of over $3k)- we worked it out and I gave him time to catch up so he could move the horse. I didn't lose a nickel- or any respect. In that situation- I was not legally allowed to hold the horse. The police here said if I held the horse, I would be arrested as that is a criminal act. Was just letting her know there are options.
                  Are you in the U.S.? If so then it's likely that your state grants a lien to you for boarding services rendered. If that's true then the advice the cops gave you was defective. Most officers are honest, hardworking folks but their legal knowledge is often very narrow, very shallow, and frequently wrong.

                  If you can work out an arrangement with a delinquent boarder then that's a good plan. I've done it on several occasions. I've also taken a few horses in lieu of a board bill. Only had to sue one boarder (and that's because he would not return my phone calls).

                  But I'd check with your lawyer. You need to be able to protect yourself against both deadbeat boarders and ignorant cops.

                  G.
                  Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

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                  • #49
                    I got behind on board once, roughly a month and a half, in college. I still feel horrible. But I paid every penny before I moved my horse. And the only reason I got behind was that there were a lot of extra fees that weren't disclosed.

                    Anyway, that was then and this is now. If I got behind on board and couldn't clear it up, I'd let my BO sell it with my permission and I would likely let them keep the above and beyond if it was going to be 500 or less.

                    Like greysandbays, I keep my horses at home. Although unfortunately my horses cost me wayyy more than 450 a year... Darn Thoroughbreds!!! Really though, I just spent 400 or so on 90 bales of hay!

                    Anyway. It costs me enough to keep them, I need to pay it out of pocket and my feed store, hay guy, farrier, and vet don't float my horses for two and a half months. Barn owners shouldn't have to for boarders either. Their profit margin is small. People wonder why they may not like the care, sometimes it is directly related to things like this!

                    End vent.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Eye in the Sky View Post
                      Good LORD! Why do I get the creepy picture of an old dirt farmer with neglected old structures on the property and a horse in need of a vet, but without one, trying not to die and hoping he will not be the next one needing the "backhoe guy"!
                      Funny, I got the same picture. No vets, no farriers, no feed, no worries. Brilliant!

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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by rcloisonne View Post
                        Funny, I got the same picture. No vets, no farriers, no feed, no worries. Brilliant!
                        Don't forget that maintence free barbed wire fence. http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thum...wire-fence.jpg

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                        • #52
                          It does vary from state to state, but if the barn owner sells the horse for more than the back board, the overage is supposed to go to the original horse owner. I was at a barn where a horse was sold, but it was sold for exactly what was owed, which solved that problem. And yes, the barn owner and I did ride the horse before it was sold, without owner permission, because we had to see if the horse really knew what the owner claimed --- and the answer was yes, it sure as heck was a push button barrel horse. Owner hadn't been out more than 2 or 3 times in the year+ the horse was there.

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                          • #53
                            Like greysandbays, I keep my horses at home.

                            But evidently not on the same planet !?!?!

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                            • #54
                              I keep my horses (a TB gelding, trakehner mare and mini gelding) at home.
                              Farrier every other month is $30 for trimming. They're barefoot. $180/yr each.
                              Wormer X 4 a year - $40/yr for the big two. The mini gets the remainder of the TB's.
                              Feed. The TB gets about 1.5 lbs of 12% - $150/yr. The new mare gets 4 times what he gets, because she came in thin. Make that $600/yr for her.
                              Hay - I buy orchard grass hay from my neighbor at $3.25/bale. For the TB, I'd put a bale in the run-in and it would last a week - winter only. about $60/yr. With the new mare added, I'll feed 1/2 bale/day in the winter. Total about $200/yr.
                              I haven't had to have a vet visit in a long time, my horses don't leave my property, and I've been fortunate not to have injury or illness. I do my own combo shots.

                              Costs:

                              Mini - $200/yr
                              TB - $450/yr
                              Trak - $1000/yr.

                              This doesn't include my initial expense of putting up 3 strands of hotwire around my pastures. I did that myself. I have a wreck of an old barn that I use the center aisle as a run-in shed and store hay in the stalls. I live in a temperate climate where grass grows early and long. My horses aren't pampered, and seem to do better that way. They don't need sterilized, gold-plated automatic waterers. They need to be able to move and breathe fresh air.

                              I have 14 acres and a 160 year old farmhouse, which I bought at auction for $60K. The house is pretty spartan, since the same farm family owned it from the time it was built until the 99 year old owner died. They didn't do any improvements since they had plumbing added in 1961. I live almost as rough as my horses, without central heat and air and carrying in firewood in the winter. I think it's better for me, too.

                              StG

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                              • #55
                                Back to the OP.

                                It's April 2nd now and another weeks board is past due and tacked onto that 450...now about 520ish (using 450 for 6 weeks). Next week there will be another 70 or so and it will just keep going up every single day.

                                Just feel there is more to the story then OP has shared. As usual.

                                Tell "friend" to pay the dam board. Or arrange for BO to sell the horse for the 1k and split any difference between what's owed and the sale price to compensate BO for a) finding the buyer and b) allowing friend's horse to eat free for 7 weeks now.
                                When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                                • #56
                                  OK I can see <450 a year for my air fern draftx and QH. I get orchard grass mix round bales 4x4 (barn kept) for $25. Unfortunately my TB's are not that easy or cheap to maintain. No matter what I crammed into them this winter they still look like crap this spring. This winter was not a fun winter to try and keep weight on a hard keepers even blanketed.

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                                  • #57
                                    FWIW I bought a horse from a barn owner who had gained the horse from a lein in WA state. He told me he was only able to charge his costs so far including back board, a vet bill he paid, and attourney fees. If he sold the horse for more money than his costs, the extra money would have been due legally to the previous owner. Who he didn't want to deal with. So I got the horse for an absolute steal.

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                                    • #58
                                      Originally posted by Sister7 View Post
                                      So I got the horse for an absolute steal.
                                      I think that is why legally the horse needs to be sold at public auction. If open to bids, it is less likely someone could "steal" a horse, in cooperation with the barn owner, and stop the horse's owner from getting the remainder of fair market value.

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