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Thinking about allowing boarders, maybe, next year, what would you pay?

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  • Thinking about allowing boarders, maybe, next year, what would you pay?

    A stable located 5 min from downtown Appleton, with 40 acres to ride on, out door arena, out door roundpen, lots of pasture, 35 stalls, some with dutch doors somewithout. Foaling stalls, or lay up stalls. The downer is no indoor. It has an ''indoor' the size of a round pen, and the aisle ways are huge, they use to just work the horses up and down the aisle ways (it is an aisle then the 'round pen' then another aisle so it is an L shape) and do circils in the round pen area. Thinking of taking on outside boarders, as there are shelters, and quite a few stalls are set up as full dutch doors that go out to pasture. And might take on inside boarders if I decide. Also has large grooming area and huge tack room.

    I understand aisle riding not the greatest, but by large aisles I mean large, as in you could set up grids and do a circle at the end. There will also be a full set of stadium jumps.
    The big problem is where I live unless you have an indoor arena you can't ride Dec-Feb unless you want to ride in the snow.

  • #2
    Welll, since board varies wildly from area to area...where are you? There's a lot of "Appletons" in the country.

    A good way to figure it out:
    *First decide if it's full or part board.
    *Then decide what is included with whatever type you want to provide. (blanket changes, deworming, holding for vet/farrier, etc)
    *Check out commuting distance (from your place) barns and what they charge...check both those with indoors and without.
    *figure out what the cost of keeping each horse is...amount of hay daily, grain, bedding, etc.
    * Decide how competitive you want to be in cost...realizing also that whatever you charge for board over the cost of supplies required will be your salary for all the extra work. Sometimes a realistic board price over amount needed to keep horses doesn't have enough leftover to provide a living wage.

    Now you can more easily figure out what to charge in board. We could all give you numbers...but if we're not in your area it won't be much help.

    I'd guess you could charge slightly over a place without an indoor but not close to the cost of a place with an indoor.
    You jump in the saddle,
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    Jump in the line!
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    • #3
      i think you should...

      charge enough to pay to have your head examined.
      "They'll be no butter in hell."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by AnastasiaBeaverhousen View Post
        charge enough to pay to have your head examined.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by AnastasiaBeaverhousen View Post
          charge enough to pay to have your head examined.

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          • #6
            You're going about this from the wrong end. First, find out what hay, grain, shavings, grass seed, fertilizer, etc. etc. cost in your area. Add in the other costs you need to cover: mortgage, taxes, insurance, equipment payments, labor, etc. Divide by the number of horses you can handle and you'll get a number you HAVE to get in order to make it work. And good luck.

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              #7
              I already know the cost per horse. Our large square bales that are pretty much the weight of 700lb are $35, one flake equals 1/2 a bale of hay and that is for an alfalfa mix. 1,500lb round bales that are a mix are delivered are $50. 50lb bales of hay that are a timothy mix are about $2.00 a bale and alfalfa bales are $2.90. As for shavings we pay $40 for a gravity box of them or $80 for a hopper box.

              I don't know if I even want boarders. I have always delt well with owners that had their horses boarded with me when I leased out a place that were in training, but have never done the straight out boarding, mostly due to all the drama that goes on with boarding barns it seems. I have always done taking blankets on and off and if the owner can't make it to hold the horse as long as the horse is good I don't mind holding it. As for if the horse needs wraps changed and extras due to injury and stall rest then would charge extra for that.

              Yes, yes, head should be examined just for being in the horse world I think.
              I just wish the place had an indoor. But for free use I'm not going to argue.

              Personally I think I am just going to end up getting a couple of lesson horses in the next few years and doing lessons out of the place spring-fall. Besides it gets so cold up here I don't usually see my students till spring anyway

              I know there are 2 other barns that offer outdoor board in the area that have an indoor for $175 a month. The first one your horse just goes out back and that is it. They have round bales and are on pasture. More of a private place then boarding place.
              The second one has fewer horses in the pastures but do to the owners not knowing how to feed they have foundered about 10 horses, and people help themselves to riding your horse when you are not there (actually there is another stable like that around here also)

              I was looking more at for people that pleasure ride during the nice times of the year and doing lessons. The other stable that is near by is where I have and would keep my more advanced students that wish to continue to ride thru winter. That is also where the small XC course is being put in.

              I just keep on getting told by tons of people I should board as it is a good way to make money. But by the end of everything even if you charge high you make lower then minimum wage. Though was thinking of taking a couple just to off set expenses on my 2 horses.

              Like I said this would be all next year. As stable needs to be cleaned up, grounds made to look like show grounds again, etc.

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              • #8
                Repeat after me...no, no, no, no, no!

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                • #9
                  I guess there are some areas where horse boarding is very cheap, but I don't care what the feed, hay and bedding cost, even if it were FREE it wouldn't be worth it to me to board a single horse for $175/mo. What about the cost of the facility (mortgage, electric, repairs, machinery) and everything else that would take me twenty minutes to type out?

                  Just do the numbers carefully and make sure you will be acting as a business, not a charitable organization that supports other peoples' horse habits.

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                  • #10
                    Well heck...I want hay prices like those! That's less than half what I pay for timothy/grass bales and we don't even have horse quality rounds anywhere nearby.

                    If you have another place you're running a business out of..I'd guess the extra travel and labor just wouldn't be worth it. The profit in boarding alone is pretty small...same pretty much everywhere. Add in the hassle of getting in hay, grain and bedding to two locations and getting to two places to clean and care for the horses at least twice daily...mrh, the profit probably wouldn't be worth it.
                    Adding in the extra drama...ain't no amount worth that.
                    You jump in the saddle,
                    Hold onto the bridle!
                    Jump in the line!
                    ...Belefonte

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                      #11
                      Misty,

                      I only train and give lessons out of the other stable. The horses that are there all live outside 24/7. I help with chores at times, but I would not be running two stables as the owner of the other stable does those things.

                      We will definilty run the numbers before doing anything, but I think I will stick with only training horses boarded there.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GaellentQuest View Post
                        I just keep on getting told by tons of people I should board as it is a good way to make money.
                        Apparently tons of people in your area are smoking crack
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                        • #13
                          Could you bill yourself as a "colt raiser" type place where you board young horses and handle them constently? That seems like it would feed nicely into your training business. You wouldn't be able to charge the most for that service, but would likely get the lowest maintenance owners.

                          Also sounds like your place might be ideal for lay-ups. You COULD charge quite a bit more for that. The aisles sound perfect for hand-walking.

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                          • #14
                            How could someone tack up or groom if another person is riding in the aisle?
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by InstigatorKate View Post
                              Could you bill yourself as a "colt raiser" type place where you board young horses and handle them constently? That seems like it would feed nicely into your training business. You wouldn't be able to charge the most for that service, but would likely get the lowest maintenance owners.

                              Also sounds like your place might be ideal for lay-ups. You COULD charge quite a bit more for that. The aisles sound perfect for hand-walking.
                              Actually that is a buissness that a friend and I have thought about doing since we love to work with youngsters. Have tons of expereince working with them, and have produced well mannered youngsters that anyone can handle. j

                              As for the aisle riding, I didn't say it was perfect. I would exercise a horse that way if I knew the horse. At that place you don't tack your horse up in the aisle, there are grooming stalls. Also every stall has a place to hook up crossties.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by furlong47 View Post
                                Apparently tons of people in your area are smoking crack
                                This.

                                If you break even on boarding, you're doing well. And why go to all the bother and expense if you're just going to break even? Nope, do not board. Continue to go out and train/teach elsewhere. Boarding is nothing but a headache.
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                                • #17
                                  I'm not clear. Are you in business now or are you still a personal, hobby-type activity? If you're not a business then then you can do pretty much what you want. Once you become "public" the "alphabet soup" will have a lot to say about what you do. Particularly in a "Nanny State" like WI.

                                  Note that I lived in Appleton, WI in the late '60s and graduated from MU, undergrad and Law. I know about the "nanny state."

                                  As to board economics, full care will have a cost to the provider of a minimum of $300/mo. even in a very low cost area (and I live in one). Board is a "loss leader" to get in training, lesson, etc. work that actually can make a profit. This does not mean to avoid it, but only to realize that it won't buy many groceries for the owner.

                                  What is the going rate in your area for various types of board? If you don't know then do a survey by calling around and asking. If you don't want to do it yourself then ask some friends to help you out by making a few phone calls. Any price information you get here will have only a slight relevance to your market.

                                  G.
                                  Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

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                                  • #18
                                    I gotta say that '40 acres to ride out on' isn't really that much, particularly if some or all of it is fenced. Even at a walk, it takes me about 10 minutes to cover 50 acres. If you are just circling that 40 to build muscle or stamina, I guess its OK, but I sure as heck would not advertise that as 'acres to ride on'.

                                    Perhaps it would be the perfect place for halter horses? You could do a lot of in-hand work in a wide aisle way. That is assuming that the Halter Horse World is still active, I have no idea, I don't swing that way
                                    Facta non verba

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                                      #19
                                      Actually Lawndart 40 acres is a lot in this area to have access to, especially right down town, and by litterally 10min from the mall.

                                      I have decided not to board unless it is a good friend. I will stick with what I have already done in the past : Only do boarding for horses in training and riders that are in a full training/lesson schedule.

                                      G- wow guess you didn't like Appleton much lol.

                                      Well until I got ill I was activly training, riding, and giving lessons. That is one of the reasons that I am not planning anything until next year.

                                      So I guess the decision is made : Only horses in training and students horses will be there.
                                      Still will operate out of the other stable also. I enjoy working there, I enjoy teaching there, and we are puting in a XC course there.

                                      The stable that I will be living at will be where I give basic lessons, have access to lots of acrege to ride on, and beautiful stalls with dutch doors and private turnouts.

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                                      • #20
                                        Appleton is a lovely place. But WI is still a "Nanny State."

                                        G.
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