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  • #41
    You mean....no girth fuzzies??????
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    • #42
      I only stopped riding for about 6 or 7 years and couldn't believe the changes when I came back:

      GPAs- i remember thinking "who would pay 400 bucks for something that looks like a baseball hat?"

      Monogrammed stock collars - these were getting fashionable when I stopped riding, but I loooooooooved stock pins. Not quite sure why though, as now I've returned to riding I'm anxious to get my collars done!

      Ulcers- I owned a horse for 10 years and never knew a thing about ulcers. I come back and it's all "ulcer this and probiotics that" not a bad thing though!

      Skin conditions- I remember seeing rain rot on someone's horse as a child, and knowing it wasn't cared for properly. But I'd never had to deal with scratches and fungus and cellulitis and all kinds of weirdness.

      Zippered boots- never wanted a pair until I put my old field boots back on for the first time and swore I'd have to cut myself out of them to get the darn things off!

      The cost of stuff- maybe it's because I'm an adult now and pay my own way, but 200 bucks for a pair of breeches I'll probably stain? 90 bucks for a shirt I wear once every 2-3 weeks? 4-5 grand for a new saddle? It just makes you want to cry. Oh, and 15 to 20 for nearly every shampoo, ointment, and spray you could imagine. Those things add up way too quickly!

      Most of the changes have been wonderful...the vet care I get now...well I think I'd have been able to ride my OTTB for much longer if I had the vet care I have now 10 years ago.
      Other changes I see I don't like so much, but 10 years ago I had no jumping experience and no larger show experience. Some things are definitely eye-opening!

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      • #43
        Don't buy the hype about toes at 45 degrees being ok.

        Toes forward helps you use your leg better and relax your thigh. But it also comes from years and years of turning your whole leg forward from the hip. It's the ballerina thing in a different direction. I think unconditioned noobs or trainers in a hurry have neglected this bit of equitation. If you hurt your knees and angles achieving the look, someone trained you wrong for a long, long time. That's too bad.

        The good news is that once you have made your hips strong and flexible the way they need to be, it doesn't go away. You get toes forward, a relaxed and effective leg for free forever afterward.
        The armchair saddler
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        • #44
          Originally posted by mvp View Post
          The good news is that once you have made your hips strong and flexible the way they need to be, it doesn't go away. You get toes forward, a relaxed and effective leg for free forever afterward.
          The bad news is, after a certain age, it ain't gonna happen.

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            #45
            Yeah.. I'm struggling with the whole leg thing. After so many years of putting most of my weight on the outside of my feet to get my toes forward, it's really hard to get my weight distributed more evenly across the whole ball of my feet.

            I'm only riding once a week until I find my own horse. Just don't want to "waste" $$ leasing or taking more lessons because I'm trying to save for my poni-fication fund. I think once I start riding more I'll have more success re-training my muscles for a more solid leg.

            In dressage, your toes are more forward as well, but that is a much looser leg than the hunt seat I'm doing this time around. Just a slightly different skill set.
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            • #46
              As a short chick riding wideloads of the h/j, dressage and plain old buck-you-off variety, I can assure you that you can get plenty of grip from the toes forward leg position.

              I also started out as the toed-out kind. I know exactly where your ankles and knees hurt. I don't know if you can recondition truly aged muscles and ligaments deep in the hip. I am grateful to have been corrected by some thorough teachers while I was still in high school.

              The fix is so simple it's almost physical-therapy like. Standing still, stirrupless, you take your whole leg off the horse and turn it as pigeon toed as you can manage from the hip. One leg at a time. If you are in the right position, you'll feel a gentle pull in your hamstrings. Pull over and make this correction while riding when you need it and the whole thing won't take very long.
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              • #47
                Originally posted by mvp View Post
                The fix is so simple it's almost physical-therapy like. Standing still, stirrupless, you take your whole leg off the horse and turn it as pigeon toed as you can manage from the hip. One leg at a time. If you are in the right position, you'll feel a gentle pull in your hamstrings. Pull over and make this correction while riding when you need it and the whole thing won't take very long.
                Added hint on this if you have womenly thighs - when you move your leg like this, reach down behind your leg and pull the muscle of your inner thigh back as you put your leg on the horse. It'll allow you to move your leg a bit further into the proper position.

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                • #48
                  It may be that riding hours daily, 7 days per week since a young age does the damage over time.
                  I comfortably have my toes forward when I ride, there isn't any thought to it, it's just the way my legs go now. Same with deep heels. I hop on a horse and the toes automatically point forward and the heel sinks down, even bareback.
                  But we did spend an awful lot of time on a horse back then. Was completely normal to get dropped off at the barn before school, take the bus to the barn after school and get to the barn at sunrise on weekends. In summer we were there from sunrise to sunset every single day. Conditioning rides daily...sometimes 2-3 conditioning rides daily ponying other horses. Schooling. Some of us worked taking out trail rides. Lessons. Even just screwing around...playing hide &
                  seek or tag on horseback.
                  Wish kids and parents these days had the time and ability for that type of immersion into riding. For the horse crazy kids, it was invaluable.
                  You jump in the saddle,
                  Hold onto the bridle!
                  Jump in the line!
                  ...Belefonte

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                  • #49
                    I wasn't ever really away from riding but I grew up at a very old-school barn and didn't own for quite a while. I went to work at a large, modern facility after a couple of years of casual riding and couldn't figure out why my shiny rust breeches and velvet helmet were getting giggles.

                    I knew how to get a shine on a horse without show sheen or a hose, which was regarded as some sort of voodoo. Never mind toes forward, I was taught toes IN which has made the transition to a more modern seat pretty easy as all those muscles are trained and flexible. I didn't know a danged thing about blanketing- not something we did at the barn I learned to ride at, and they still don't. (ABUSE ABUSE CALL THE ASPCA!) Counting strides was new to me. We just managed the pace and worked it out. No one knew about mud knots or running braids. Saddles and vet care have come a long way, and I'm not convinced all of it is positive development. The old, flat saddles at that old barn still fit a wide array of horses just fine; new saddles just aren't as accommodating.

                    I still don't know what I'll wear if I ever get back into the show ring. I find rider turnout to be very casual at most shows these days; not sure I could do it.
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                    • #50
                      My first go around riding in my mid 20's, my breeches did that flared out thing at the hips, cavalry style. I could never understand the point of that! Kept my helmet, which I couldn't use 30 years later as a re-rider, but did still have my nice leather wrapped crop, which was much admired as old school by my 20 something instructor, LOL.
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                      • #51
                        As my hair-cutter lady says, I'm stuck in the late '70's to early '80's. I've ridden all my life but with the 'net, now I get to really see what others are doing and swap ideas and update a lot of my thoughts/training/ideas/etc. with like-minded people. Plus some real twits... :-)

                        Somehow, I've never had a problem with the toes forward thing, even today at my middle-aged age. I've never had any sort of zippered boot but I'm Western and it ain't happenin' on my watch. I still like dark leather, never did get into the light leather.

                        The cost of things just boggles me, yet the price of horses are down. I don't show anymore but have a hankerin' to do local stuff. I went to some local shows (even was the ring steward at some) and was mildly appalled at the turnouts of the riders. It might have been local but the horses needed brushings and finishings. People were loud and on the rude side, instead of quiet and respectful. One judge (I'm going to h*ll for saying this) didn't know the patterns and I had to walk her through them before the classes. Still, I had a good time at them, things could have been worse.
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                        • #52
                          I think my biggest shock when I came back was the ideas about what "matches" in horse show apparel.

                          Hmm, don't you just LOVE this pink shirt, navy jacket, and puke green breeches? Stunning for sure! Be sure you throw on your brown belt with that outfit!
                          The best sports bras for riders are Anita 5527 and Panache! Size UP in Anita, down in Panache (UK sizing)

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                          • #53
                            Good to know I am not the only rerider from the sixties and seventies. The toe out thing also confuses me, and I find my legs more secure with toes forward. Schooling chaps and jeans were so cool, but I love the half chaps. I still have my old schooling chaps, made to order for a huge $100. I think zippered boots are the best thing about modern riding- but I haven't been able to afford any.
                            I never knew anything about sheath cleaning! My geldings never had it done. Paste worming was a great leap forward. I haven't seen anyone hot shoe in years. Supplements were almost non-existent. Crosby and Stubben. Can't believe I showed hunters in my very flat Crosby, wide leather bridle, homesewn jacket- and still was in the ribbons.
                            No one would have been caught dead in a light colored, unoiled saddle- we oiled and washed before each show- the darker the better.

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                              #54
                              Here's another thing that NEVER came up 12 years ago and had horses on turnout in Western MA 24x7 all summer long.

                              TICKS!

                              Never found a tick on my horse, lyme or otherwise. Now, it's all I hear about.

                              Is this a global warming thing???
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                              • #55
                                I love this thread.
                                "We need a pinned ears icon." -MysticOakRanch

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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by MistyBlue View Post
                                  How about we all go show this season Old School Style?
                                  Ya know...with plain velvet helmets, canary yellow shirts, Madras coats, rust britches that button and zip up the front and cordovan/oxblood boots. No stock pins though...hated those.

                                  In flat plain flap saddles without any pad underneath and wide flat leather bridles with pelhams and double reins.

                                  On TBs.
                                  Don't forget to cut the elastic chin strap off of that velvet helmet when your mother isn't looking.
                                  "Go on, Bill — this is no place for a pony."

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                                  • #57
                                    Some people are simply not built for toes forward. All I'm sayin'. (Well, that, and it's like skating--I can do an outside-edge spreadeagle and a 'true' Ina Bauer. There are skaters at the Olympic level who cannot and will never be able to do either because their hips aren't open enough and there are no stretches that will ever change it.)

                                    And I don't care if old-skool Crosbys aren't in style, I went out and bought one on eBay and it's mine and you can't have it! My horse loves it. (Okay, I'm remembering why I sold the last one and got an equally ancient Steubben AP that I still have that I love but the horse isn't as hot for--it's a PDN and i'ts like sitting on a freakin' board.) And I bought a FLAT Crosby bridle and I'm keeping that too and I've got a PELHAM on it so nyah. (I just need reins that look better with it. Any suggestions?)
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                                    • #58
                                      What surprised me the most, now that I think about it, is the predominance of women.

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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by huntereq_princess View Post
                                        What happened to personalized barn jackets? I miss having a jacket with my name and barn name on it...
                                        I have one! My barn does them. And I'm definitely not a re-rider lol. Neither is my trainer. We love our personalized jackets and everything else... And the barn colors.
                                        Different flavors of crazy, but totally NUTS. You know its true. - GreyHunterHorse

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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by huntereq_princess View Post
                                          What happened to personalized barn jackets? I miss having a jacket with my name and barn name on it...
                                          OMG when I was 12 (early 90's) I joined my first "big" H/J barn and they made us buy everything to match the barn at shows....trunks, blankets, polo shirts, etc.

                                          We had to have the uber-spendy fancy Letterman jackets that had the barn name on the back and my name on the chest....and I wore mine to the horse shows, to dance class, to school (because I wanted to fit in with the kids who had ones from school sports LOL), and everywhere else. They were the real deal wool and leather and I grew up in Seattle....imagine the barn stink and "rain rot" that came out of that coat--No wonder my classmates thought I was crazy.

                                          I love looking at my pictures from showing in the 90's on my OTTB with my favorite hunter green hunt coat, velvet hunt cap (with the clear harness) and my girth fuzzy to match my white show pad. Oh and the fuzzy eq. boots I had to borrow since my mom wouldn't spring the money to buy them for me (she's a smart lady). Oh, and everyone in my barn HAD to ride in a Crosby Hampton Classic....which back then was basically a PDN with a suede knee flap

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