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Wake up Horse owners, you are going to lose your right to freedom of movement.

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  • Wake up Horse owners, you are going to lose your right to freedom of movement.

    THink that you are not a livestock owner? You are according to the USDA. They want you to chip all of your horses and report to them anytime that you take them off of your property with in 24-48 hours. And another report when you return to home. They want your foals chipped with in 24hr of their birth. If you think that this is not going to affect you, think again. Right now in TX we are fighting a law that was passed on the state level. WI has a similar law already. These aren't just id tags, they are RFID tags so that they can be tracked. Just like the boxes in the comercial with the lady in the middle of the highway at a help desk

    They claim that it is to protect the food supply, but no one in the US eats horses. Rabbits are eaten, but not included in the plan. This is a handout that was produced here in TX that we are sharing with the uninformed.


    Did you know that the USDA plans to make every owner of even one horse, cow, pig, goat, sheep, chicken, or pigeon register in a government database and subject their property and animals to constant federal and state government surveillance? It’s called the National Animal Identification System [NAIS] and is already in progress since House Bill 1361 passed. It must be repealed. If not, effective January 1, 2008, this is what we will be forced to deal with:

    EVERY HOMEOWNER with animals must obtain a 7 digit USDA ID number keyed to GPS satellite surveillance coordinates with all the property and owner’s information permanently stored in a USDA database. We will be required to pay yearly permit fees, purchase tags/chips and electronics to scan/read these tags and chips.

    EVERY ANIMAL must be tagged with a Radio Frequency tag or chip, readable at a distance, with a 15-digit USDA ID number.

    OWNERS MUST REPORT within 24 hrs every sale or purchase of any animal, every death or slaughter, every missing animal, every placement or loss of an ID tag and every time an animal leaves or returns to the owner’s property. [This includes paperwork because of vet trips, trail rides, loose goats, dead chickens due to chicken hawks or raccoons.]

    TRAIL RIDES and other movements off your ID’d premise [TRIPS TO THE VET] must be reported to the government within 24 hrs or you may face penalties, fines and confiscation of the animals.

    PENALTIES for non-compliance can be up to $1000 per day. You might not register, but if you go to the vet or have them come to your home and you don’t have proper ID, your vet will have to report you by law.

    ARE YOU AFRAID? You should be.

    If you too are uninformed, don't be. Go google this and see what you find. Then take appropriate action. Write to the people. If you oppose it, don't go quietly into the night.

    Sometimes the internet is a place for conspiracy theories, and sometimes it is a place to find out information that just isn't being covered by the media. No, we are too focused on hunting accidents and port management to notice that our rights are being taken away.
    "I reject your reality and substitute my own" Adam Savage--Mythbusters

  • #2
    Please fight against this.




    • #3
      Who produced the handout?


      • #4
        Why does it matter where the flyer came from?

        The 358th Texas Animal Health Commission meeting Thursday Feb. 16, 2006

        First I would like to say that HB1361 went under our radar and was passed already. What does this mean to you and I if you live in Texas?

        1. You and anyone that owns a horse, cow, pig, sheep, goat, chicken, llama, captive game bird, exotic livestock, captive cervidae, ratite or "other" is required to register your premises. It's free until July 1, 2006 (Isn't that comforting.) The government wants to know who you are and what you own! That's just the first step into the invasion of your privacy.....it gets worse.

        2. If you do not comply by Jan. 1, 2007 you become a criminal!! And here's the penalty:

        A) Under section 161.148 and entitled "Administrative Penalty" the Commission may impose an administrative penalty against a person who violates a rule or order adopted by the Commission. The penalty for violation may be in an amount not to exceed $1000. "Each day" a violation continues or occurs is a separate violation for purposes of imposing a penalty. The amount of penalty shall not be based on a per head basis and the Commission must base the amount of the penalty by evaluating six factors as provided by Section 161.148. After which the executive director would issue to the commission a report that states the facts on which the determination is based and the director's recommendation on the imposition of a penalty, including a recommendation on the amount of the penalty.

        I want to let that part sink in for everyone reading this before I go on with the rest of the meeting content. I hope everyone noticed that you will never be able to own a small farm or even one chicken or horse in the state of Texas without having to pay and let the government know about it. You no longer have that right or freedom! Notice that the fine can multiply "each day" that you don't comply and the amount of your penalty will be recommended by the Executive director of the TAHC who is none other than Bob Hillman, DVM.......that's right....... a veterinarian! How do you like America now?!!

        What can we do now? HB1361 needs to be REPEALED!! We can do this, I know we can!! Texas State Rep. Bryan Hughes of District 5 which includes Camp, Harrison, Upshur and Wood Counties sent word to the meeting that he would have voted "NO" to HB1361 if he had known the full content and conseqences to the small farmer/livestock owner. He needs to be commended for having the guts to admit that and now we know at least one state rep. in our corner! Write to him! Write to all of your reps. and congress people!! Don't let up! We as American's don't deserve our freedoms being ripped away from us!! It's happening right now!! PLEASE fight back!!

        Here is the website to find out who represents YOU!!! Pass it on to your friends and family! Sign every petition you can! Copy and paste the petition in this thread and e-mail it to your friends and family. Post it on other horse and cattle talk forums! E-mail, write and call too!! It's going to take ALL of us to get involved to get this changed!


        Bob Hillman made the statement in the meeting that Wisconsin is in the same process at this time and Indiana is next. More shortly about the meeting........


        • #5
          I'm prepared to get ripped for this, and I'm going only on what the OP has written--because, as suggested, I've never even heard of this before. . .It could be annoying to report every movement, couldn't there be some actual protection for horses in this? Aren't all these posts about, "Have you seen this missing horse?" and "Do you know what ever happened to that horse?" and "Look at the horse I just rescued" enough to make you *want* to have some tracking device/tattoo mandatory?
          And maybe there would be fewer idiots breeding scrub in their backyard if it were more of a hassle to have horses.
          "I never panic when I get lost. I just change where I want to go."
          -Rita Rudner


          • #6
            My first thought after reading this is who's gonna keep track of all of those birds!?!? Huge paperwork and waste of money and time. I am sure that it will not appeal to general tax payers for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Who is the author of this petition? He is a total nut, lunatic to even think of this!
            Will get a dream horse!
            More riding, swimming, and rowing, less posting


            • Original Poster

              Not that it matters too much, but a woman here in TX named Bea.

              It is just a compilation of the facts of what we are going to be required to do under the HB 1361

              It is just crazy with the amount of movement of horses that we do in this state and the numbers of small owners. Think grannies and their chickens. They fall under this. Parakeets are exotic animals under their definition and will require premise ID and banding. The list goes on.

              Please, if you don't believe me, invest some time and do the research. Prove me wrong. I would so like to be wrong about what is happening.
              "I reject your reality and substitute my own" Adam Savage--Mythbusters


              • #8
                actcasual I see your point, the problem with that thinking is the people & horses that you are concerned about won't register them. Think about all the people who don't get coggins on their horses? Do you really think they'll register the premise or report anything?


                • #9
                  We don't need law to take care of horses. We only can take care of the horses - many of the "moves" are motivated primarily by money not by law.
                  Will get a dream horse!
                  More riding, swimming, and rowing, less posting


                  • #10
                    The USDA is underbudget to inspect and prevent soring at TWH shows - but they're going to hunt down those of us who don't microchip our horses and report their movement? Riiiiight!

                    I don't doubt that such a plan is in progress and should be opposed or modified (microchipping is not such a bad idea - but reporting movement?), but I think the reality of enforcement will be close to impossible.


                    • Original Poster

                      Prieta: you have a similar law on your books in WI that they are implementing. It is part of an effort by states to get in line with what the USDA is going to implement. I don't know what your law is, but ours is HB1361 and it is no longer a bill. It was passed unanimously and signed by Rick Perry.
                      "I reject your reality and substitute my own" Adam Savage--Mythbusters


                      • #12
                        Pardon my bluntness, but SO WHAT?

                        When the nuero form of EHV-1 hits your barn and kills your horses because there was not a good enough way to track it, you might just change your mind! Or when your horse is stolen, you might really appreciate a way to track him and positively identify him for his return to you.

                        There are many, many positive benefits to horse owners available based on this program and - IMO - the benefits outweigh the PITA factor.

                        The above post is an opinion, just an opinion. If it were a real live fact it would include supporting links to websites full of people who already agreed with me.



                        • Original Poster

                          I don't mind choosing to microchip my horses. I do object to being required to put RFID tags in my animals and bands on my chickens.

                          The difference is my freedom to choose.
                          "I reject your reality and substitute my own" Adam Savage--Mythbusters


                          • #14
                            'Cause I'm doing paperwork for my business and can only skim through. I stop here because I am irked that we are required to do more paperworks and pay more money for that "black hole". I simply do not understand why it has to pass!

                            On my banking statement, I simply type down,

                            "bank loan 1800
                            reason: support that damn bank
                            2 reason: huge interest with measly principal"

                            Don't need anymore beaurocratics to run us around especially with horses!
                            Will get a dream horse!
                            More riding, swimming, and rowing, less posting


                            • Original Poster

                              LLDM you are free to choose your opinion. But don't you support the right to liberty that our forefathers fought and died for? Do you want to live in a place that can tell exactly where you are and when you are there? What about if you go to a horse show and report that, but the traffic is bad so you choose an alternate route? They will know that you went another way. That is the point of reporting it. They only have to follow the ones that are reporting movement. And if they pick up on someone else, then they can find them.

                              No one wants to lose their beloved horses from disease. But they know who is where every time we gather just from the coggins papers. They can find you to notify you if there is a disease outbreak.

                              As far as theft, the microchip is not the end all answer. There are devices to disable them that only involve a disposable camera and a battery or two. You could have them removed and replaced. The point is that it will only keep honest people honest. Crooks will find away around it. And if they are stealing horses, I classify them as crooks.
                              "I reject your reality and substitute my own" Adam Savage--Mythbusters


                              • #16
                                Really, I can see where the bird trackage would be a pita. . . but if bird flu is really going to be the Armageddon, you can see why govt would feel inclined to get involved.
                                But so far I'm not hearing anything that makes me think the potential evil is so much greater than the potential benefit.
                                As far as the slobs of the world breeding backyard horses, case in point: Man in Fincastle or hereabouts has gone to court multiple times in the last year over his collection of horses that he can't be bothered to feed or sell--or keep fenced with more than scotch tape and baling twine. (It's news enough that the regional paper is busily reporting it--and we tend not to do "agriculture court.) Under the law described here, he'd have a grand a day multiplied by 30 horses sized-incentive to give up his valiant stand-off with the gov't.
                                "I never panic when I get lost. I just change where I want to go."
                                -Rita Rudner


                                • #17
                                  I think that with the growing awareness (and concern) about mad cow, avian flu etc we are going to see more and more of this in all countries. I am on the fence on this one. I can see the intended value of it, but really, the gov't does SUCH a good job of keeping track of the things they already have to keep track of...right?? (Insert dripping sarcasm) I wouldn't necessarily be opposed if I thought an agency actually could track animals like this. I guess it remains to be seen.


                                  • #18
                                    I'm prepared to get flamed, but I don't have a problem with it. Maybe I'm naive, but I don't see any government entity being able to handle the amount of information that this will generate any time in the near future anyway. I'm sorry, but I don't think the sky is falling.

                                    As for taking away all those liberties... From what I've read here, the bill isn't restricting movement or ownership, it's just tracking and taxing it. How is that taking away liberties? If you've got the money and follow the rules, you're fine.
                                    Y'all ain't right!


                                    • Original Poster

                                      Much of the tracking is already done for bovine and commercial chickens by lot.

                                      One aspect of the premise ID is that by having one, you consent to random inpsections of your premise. In other words, by having it you are consenting to a warrantless search of your property. If we are upset about the government wire tapping conversations to terrorists from inside this country without a warrant, shouldn't we be upset about their ability to perform a warrantless search or "inspection" of our land?

                                      Mad cow should be on the decrease after the law passed in '97 that forbids the feeding of certain types of feed to bovines. As the old cows die off and we don't feed that type of feed anymore, it should go away.

                                      Frankly, you have more to fear from migratory birds with bird flu, than my backyard flock of chickens that go nowhere and are self contained.

                                      Tell me what is SUCH a great benefit to give up so many of our rights? Do you know that they are considering at a later time dogs and cats and rabbits?
                                      "I reject your reality and substitute my own" Adam Savage--Mythbusters


                                      • Original Poster

                                        Some of it is about the money. Some people that live on the edge and are self sufficient, use chickens and their eggs to survive. They will not be able to afford to keep them. So now the government takes that away and gives them, food stamps? That not a better way.
                                        "I reject your reality and substitute my own" Adam Savage--Mythbusters