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  • Horse meat served in CA

    The point of the article was that they were serving whale meat illegally, but they also served horse meat.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/11/...rge/index.html
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    Rather ironic about the horse meat, since CA is one of the states that has actually banned it for human consumption. Just goes to show you can get pretty much anything you want as long as you're willing to pay for it and not question from where it's coming, ban or not.
    Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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      Originally posted by ZiggyStardust View Post
      The point of the article was that they were serving whale meat illegally, but they also served horse meat.

      http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/11/...rge/index.html
      Gee the sky falls for you every day doesn't it? That is so very sad.

      What is sadder still is that no one in the article seems upset at all that a unendangered species aka horse was also what was for dinner. *tsk*
      "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there"

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      • #4
        Has it always been illegal to serve horse meat for human consumption? I was always told that our hamburgers at elementary school (during the 1960s) were made from horsemeat and that's why they had that sweet taste. I've tried doing a little research to see if this was actually true but I'm not the googler that some of you are.

        Anyway, it wasn't bad at all. An acquired taste, because it did have an odd, sweet tang, but I can remember developing a liking for it. If it actually was horsemeat. Hey, why would cafeteria ladies lie?

        Not all whale species are endangered, BTW. Bottlenose dolphins, for example, in the Atlantic are not. We have so many in our estuaries that sometimes you practically have to kick 'em out of the way to launch a johnboat. (OK not really. But almost!) But I cannot imagine eating them. I've attended marine mammal necropsies and the meat is a dark purple with a really strong smell. I wouldn't want to know what they taste like.
        I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

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          Pain't, in the majority of US states it's still legal to have your own horse slaughtered for private consumption. You can give away the meat, but can't sell it. It used to be legal to sell and consume it. In CA, they've made it illegal to even eat it privately. Which is what makes it so deliciously ironic that in CA of all places there's a restaurant serving horse meat.
          Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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          • #6
            I've eaten pickled bowhead whale blubber and skin. It's not bad, if you like fat. (Well, the blubber part. The skin's a bit like chewing on your cuticle.) Someone at SI brought it back from a field research trip so we all had to try it.

            I'd try horsemeat if I knew where it came from, but if it's been hanging out in 90-degree heat in an illegal butcher's yard or if it was slaughtered without a clearing period at a feedlot I'd be worried about what it had been dosed with. I don't have a problem with people eating horsemeat, I just generally have a problem not knowing where my meat came from.
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              Originally posted by arabhorse2 View Post
              Pain't, in the majority of US states it's still legal to have your own horse slaughtered for private consumption. You can give away the meat, but can't sell it. It used to be legal to sell and consume it.
              Well, maybe we really were being fed horsemeat at the elementary school, then.

              But Bram, Quanah and Houdini don't need to worry. I'm not so fond of horsemeat that I'd consider eating them!
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              • #8
                There would be a lot less boohoo about it if horse people would be more like cattle folk.

                They breed it and eat it.
                (or like rabbit breeders, they don't only show their cute bunnies, but have competitions on recipes and fur use...)

                Yeah, it is illegal in California to eat horse, no matter how legal it was raised, killed and shipped. But legalizing pot is high up on the agenda...

                Availability of horse meet is not too long in the past, I remember seeing an 'All in the Family' episode were they had meat for dinner.

                And yes, I like to know where my meat comes from. Even though I do eat mostly 'lips and a**holse, AKA hot dogs and bologna...
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                  Originally posted by pAin't_Misbehavin' View Post
                  Has it always been illegal to serve horse meat for human consumption? I was always told that our hamburgers at elementary school (during the 1960s) were made from horsemeat and that's why they had that sweet taste.
                  I wouldn't imagine horsemeat being sweet tasting...I would imagine it to be tough and oily...
                  however, I am not much of a meat eater myself, I do enjoy fresh fish when locally caught.

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                    Originally posted by Woodland View Post
                    Gee the sky falls for you every day doesn't it? That is so very sad.
                    Good lord, get over yourself. Did I editorialize at all? No, I just posted a link to a story I thought people here would be interested in. Obviously, you care too, because you responded.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by gloriginger View Post
                      I wouldn't imagine horsemeat being sweet tasting...I would imagine it to be tough and oily...
                      Not at all oily. In fact very low in fat and cholesterol.

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                        Originally posted by danceronice View Post
                        I'd try horsemeat if I knew where it came from, but if it's been hanging out in 90-degree heat in an illegal butcher's yard or if it was slaughtered without a clearing period at a feedlot I'd be worried about what it had been dosed with. I don't have a problem with people eating horsemeat, I just generally have a problem not knowing where my meat came from.
                        Yes, I wonder if the patrons would still try it if they knew that it could possibly have some nasty drugs in it, but I figure that the restaurant assumes that would dampen some of the customers' spirit of adventure, ha. I think the article mentions that someone was seen retrieving a package from a car in the parking lot. They just have to hope it was in an effective cooler, I guess.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                          Yeah, it is illegal in California to eat horse, no matter how legal it was raised, killed and shipped. But legalizing pot is high up on the agenda...
                          Hey leave our potheads alone!

                          Besides we need the money. Pot is already our number one cash crop , but it is illegal. I mean I don't get how you could grow an estimated 35 billion crop a year and still be illegal?

                          Hmm once it is made legal, I wonder if big agriculture will move in and start growing pot-maybe genetically modified pot with some enhanced "qualities" will be grown ??

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tkhawk View Post
                            Hey leave our potheads alone!

                            Besides we need the money. Pot is already our number one cash crop , but it is illegal. I mean I don't get how you could grow an estimated 35 billion crop a year and still be illegal?

                            Hmm once it is made legal, I wonder if big agriculture will move in and start growing pot-maybe genetically modified pot with some enhanced "qualities" will be grown ??
                            Then the US won't have to import hemp....
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ZiggyStardust View Post
                              Yes, I wonder if the patrons would still try it if they knew that it could possibly have some nasty drugs in it, but I figure that the restaurant assumes that would dampen some of the customers' spirit of adventure, ha. I think the article mentions that someone was seen retrieving a package from a car in the parking lot. They just have to hope it was in an effective cooler, I guess.
                              Seriously. What next, black-market fugu? Except that could literally, instantly, kill someone....
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                              • #16
                                Patrons that don't care that they eat contraban meat, whale or horse are not likely to care where it came from.

                                (and come on, you think the beef suply is all clean, you are dreaming)
                                Originally posted by BigMama1
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                                • #17
                                  California would most likely be thrilled to have another source of "nasty drugs".

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                                    There's not a whole lot in the beef supply that can make you instantly acutely sick if it's handled correctly. Or most meats. If they're exposed to air they're going to "test" for bacteria, but if they're handled properly it's not that dangerous. Most people don't get sick from contaminated food-we're not THAT sensitive (unless you're elderly, an infant, or have an immune deficiency.) Our guts can handle a lot of things. Most people get sick from BADLY HANDLED food. Not storing it properly, not cooking or preparing it correctly. Meat isn't even the most dangerous of all--because it's "healthy" and rarely cleaned well enough or cooked at all, sprouts get a lot of people VERY sick. Inadequately cleaned unpeeled potatoes, when cooked wrapped, have gobs of nasty stuff on the outside that loves a hot, anaerobic environment. Heck, store canned tomatoes in a metal can in the fridge instead of putting in a nonreactive container and you are going to get VIOLENTLY ill.

                                    Drugs? There's nothing that's going to kill you instantly, or is even likely to kill you faster than a whole lot of other causes. You're vastly more likely to get hit by a car or have a heart attack than die because your beef were treated with anitbiotics.

                                    Whale--if it's a fish-eating species, you have to worry about mercury content. Horses--who knows where it's been, how it's been handled, what is on that meat, and at a sushi restaurant it's entirely possible it's raw. I'll eat raw beef when I know how it's been kept and how long it's been out. Heck, there are restauarnts in Japan that serve raw CHICKEN, that amazingly don't have people dying. Meat passed out the window of a car? I'm gonna take a wild guess that's not been kept below 40 F. Possibly killed yerstday while still full of tranquilizers and painkillers? Who knows.

                                    And of course we all know what happens if you get badly-prepped fugu....
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                                      Inadequately cleaned unpeeled potatoes, when cooked wrapped, have gobs of nasty stuff on the outside that loves a hot, anaerobic environment. Heck, store canned tomatoes in a metal can in the fridge instead of putting in a nonreactive container and you are going to get VIOLENTLY ill.
                                      Really? I would have thought that an oven would be hot enough to kill anything. And never knew that canned tomatos refridgerated in an open can do funky things.
                                      Good to know...not that I ever not wash a potato or swap opened tomatos into a tupperware, but still...yeesh!
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                                        Originally posted by danceronice View Post
                                        There's not a whole lot in the beef supply that can make you instantly acutely sick if it's handled correctly. Or most meats. If they're exposed to air they're going to "test" for bacteria, but if they're handled properly it's not that dangerous. Most people don't get sick from contaminated food-we're not THAT sensitive (unless you're elderly, an infant, or have an immune deficiency.) Our guts can handle a lot of things. Most people get sick from BADLY HANDLED food. Not storing it properly, not cooking or preparing it correctly. Meat isn't even the most dangerous of all--because it's "healthy" and rarely cleaned well enough or cooked at all, sprouts get a lot of people VERY sick. Inadequately cleaned unpeeled potatoes, when cooked wrapped, have gobs of nasty stuff on the outside that loves a hot, anaerobic environment. Heck, store canned tomatoes in a metal can in the fridge instead of putting in a nonreactive container and you are going to get VIOLENTLY ill.

                                        Drugs? There's nothing that's going to kill you instantly, or is even likely to kill you faster than a whole lot of other causes. You're vastly more likely to get hit by a car or have a heart attack than die because your beef were treated with anitbiotics.

                                        Whale--if it's a fish-eating species, you have to worry about mercury content. Horses--who knows where it's been, how it's been handled, what is on that meat, and at a sushi restaurant it's entirely possible it's raw. I'll eat raw beef when I know how it's been kept and how long it's been out. Heck, there are restauarnts in Japan that serve raw CHICKEN, that amazingly don't have people dying. Meat passed out the window of a car? I'm gonna take a wild guess that's not been kept below 40 F. Possibly killed yerstday while still full of tranquilizers and painkillers? Who knows.

                                        And of course we all know what happens if you get badly-prepped fugu....

                                        Correctly handled food...

                                        We have long forgotten e coli outbreaks from burgers...and no, the reason was not only the undercooked stuff...it started so much earlier

                                        And yeas, canned foods can do a serious nobel worthy act if not treated accordingly.
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