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  • #61
    Originally posted by ~DressageJunkie~ View Post
    ExJumper, he just ran straight out of the gate in my first round with no warning.

    I don't think there was much I could have done to keep him in by using an outside leg and the reins. He has done this at every show and he even does this at home and once at my lesson. No matter what I do I can't keep him from running out, he ignores my leg (or crop) and sticks his nose out to avoid the bit.
    If Tex does this at home and in lessons, why would it be a surprise that he'd do it at a show? I'm not shaking my finger at you. It's your trainer who should show you how to help you get control of your horse's shoulder and prevent him making the dash for the gate. And he should have done it in a lesson because until you know how to do that, you're not ready to jump a course at a show.


    I think it's sad for those who lost all respect for me and those who now think "Abuse" with all my posts but thats your opinions.
    I think it's sad that you have a trainer who takes shortcuts instead of teaching you how to ride better. The broom thing was a cheesy trick, no matter how you look at it. And you deserve better.
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    • #62
      What a disappointing turn of events.

      Originally posted by mp View Post
      If Tex does this at home and in lessons, why would it be a surprise that he'd do it at a show? I'm not shaking my finger at you. It's your trainer who should show you how to help you get control of your horse's shoulder and prevent him making the dash for the gate. And he should have done it in a lesson because until you know how to do that, you're not ready to jump a course at a show.

      I think it's sad that you have a trainer who takes shortcuts instead of teaching you how to ride better. The broom thing was a cheesy trick, no matter how you look at it. And you deserve better.
      What mp said.

      You and Tex absolutely deserve better, DJ.

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      • #63
        DJ, I have a 16.0H 1250lbs warmblood cross I am 120lbs. 5'7 myself. This boy is strong. Problem is we have an open arena with no fence at home, no fence well no gate. At one of our shows we were going around just fine (he has shown before here without a problem) and as we come around to the gate on our right he does a flying lead change to his right lead to head out the gate. As I felt it I immediatly started to check him. I got him stopped with very HARD CHECKS as we were 3/4 of the way out then I fussed at him and backed him 1/2way back thru the arena and finished our course. This is all on video and if I had a way I'd put it on here for you. So then before our next class we went to the warm up ring and I worked him back and forth by the gate if he tried to go out we backed up and had a little talk. After this I've not had a problem again. Also if you KNEW this was going to happen why didn't you CLOSE THE GATE??? most shows have the gates that you can close so why wouldn't your trainer opt for that than hitting him or stopping him, whatever, from going out??

        I can't see how they didn't kick you out. I have a friend/student that went in and she has a bad habit of smacking her horse on the neck when he did something wrong. I told her to stop or be out of here and I said you BETTER NOT even think about doing it at a show where it reflects on me. Well she did because he ran like a maniac (because she will not listen to training) around the arena after a jump and almost took her off into a fence she smacked him on the neck and turned him in circles. She was DQ'ed and told by the judge if she ever did it again on that GHJA show that she would not show there again. THere are better training techniques I agree sometimes a horse needs to learn respect with a pop or a good fussing at but not to be hit all the time and surely not with a rake stick or broom stick or any other stick.
        to each his own

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        • #64
          Four pages of posts and you STILL think that allowing your "trainer" to hit your horse with a rake is okay?

          Let's not waste any more breath here, folks.

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          • #65
            DJ, forget the whole debate about whether your trainer was right or wrong... I think the one issue you really need to consider here is the difference between taking your horse to a show to compete and taking him there to school him.

            It seems clear from your posts that you are both at the stage where shows should be about learning experiences only. What this means is that regardless of how unpredictable Tex's behavior was, it was not your job (or your trainer's) to punish him for it. Young or inexperienced horses do some really bizarre things in unfamiliar environments. Your job was to give him confidence and ride him as positively and calmly as you could - EVEN if that meant another DQ. "Unplanned exits" happen. It would have been so much better to have him run out again and then just calmly take him back to the warm up area, school him there, end on a good note and go home and work on what you need to. Instead you and your trainer seemed to see this as a be-all end-all situation where everything had to be fixed there and then. You forgot that (even if you had won) this show will be nothing but an embarrassing memory down the road when you're achieving real success.

            We all get carried away by adrenaline sometimes so don't beat yourself up over it, but do think long and hard about your goal for each show. Real horsemanship starts when your ego takes a backseat (and sometimes your trainer ). Good luck!
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            • #66
              Am I the only one wondering why the green horse is not going in his first class o/f with the trainer up, not the equally green o/f rider? No offense, DJ, but a horse who thinks he can (and has gotten away with) charging out the gate is best shown at first by someone who has an iron leg, is carrying a whip and can absolutely prevent any such episode.

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              • #67
                DJ --
                I have been reading every post on this thread. Not ONE person has piped up and said, "Hey! Lay off! That trainer did the RIGHT thing!"

                Think about that. Not one.

                You are trying to minimize your trainer's actions now, but that's not going to fly because there are too many eyewitnesses to what happened. This didn't take place in your back yard, but at a public show. Quin saw it. The whole crowd saw it and gasped. Every trainer at that show saw it.

                Quit trying to defend what happened and learn from it. I assume that's at least one of the reasons you keep coming back to this forum -- to learn.

                Some have given you great advice about how to ride through this. Depending on someone to stand at the gate with a rake-in-hand is not making you a better rider -- and I still have no clue why your trainer thought it would. One thing I learned from my trainer, who sounded like a broken record about this -- IT'S NOT THE HORSE, IT'S YOU! I don't know how many kids have pouted around after a lesson because our trainer would not just "admit" that the horse is a lousy citizen. You did not, and still do not, know how to ride Tex out of his "dart and run" through the gate. The trainer chose to hit your horse with a rake rather than teach you how to ride. That's the bottom line.

                Heck, if you want your horse hit over the head with a rake, I bet your mom or dad could do that for you for free. But if you want to learn to ride, you'll need a trainer to teach YOU how to do that.

                And if you want to learn about life, and how to be responsible, independent and trustworthy ... here is a great chance. As so many have tried to tell you on this thread -- you want Tex to trust you. That's essential. You have to earn that trust. And not caring if someone bashes him in the head with a wooden pole ... you are abdicating your role as the leader. It is your job to keep him safe, and that would certainly include standing up for him against all comers. Even (or maybe especially) rake-wielding ones.

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                • #68
                  It's easy for a trainer to teach when everything is going well. Heck, you could teach a parrot to say "heels down", "shorten your reins", "look up", "shoulders back", "thumbs up". It's when true problems arise that the quality of the trainer becomes evident.

                  Your trainer should have ridden him over his first course, or even many times in the ring, to solve the "run out the gate" problem, and should have taught you, at home, how to prevent him even trying it.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by catknsn View Post
                    Am I the only one wondering why the green horse is not going in his first class o/f with the trainer up, not the equally green o/f rider? No offense, DJ, but a horse who thinks he can (and has gotten away with) charging out the gate is best shown at first by someone who has an iron leg, is carrying a whip and can absolutely prevent any such episode.
                    BINGO! I fully agree, especially since he has done this at home! If you insist on showing him and you can't control him at home, have the trainer ride him!
                    Makes sense to me!
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                    • #70
                      DJ, as a former trainer/instructor, I am going to tell you that what your trainer did was DEAD wrong. Absolutely and completely wrong. As others have said, YOU need to sort this behaviour out, yourself, on Tex's back. Your trainer using a wooden object to stop Tex exiting does not in any way, shape, or form reinforce your legs/hands/seat, which are the issue here. And are what you should be using to stop unwanted movement. I am not going to repeat every bit of good advice you have gotten in this thread, but hope that you take a bit of time and think about it. (After you are done being huffy and offended that we are all agasted with your trainers extremely poor decision.) In your defense, you are a kid and HE (who is in a position of authority) should know better. Now you also know better, so in future, do something about it.

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                      • #71
                        why bother....

                        You know, I haven't posted here in months and I see nothing has changed. You people are wasting your time and energy responding to DJ. She likes the drama and the attention. Only an idiot would believe that hitting a horse in the face with a rake is acceptable - kid or not, she knows right from wrong and is just looking for attention. If she really believes that what her trainer did was acceptable, there is NO HOPE for her! Stop feeding her addiction to drama/attention..... JMHO

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Pharma Chick View Post
                          You know, I haven't posted here in months and I see nothing has changed. You people are wasting your time and energy responding to DJ. She likes the drama and the attention. Only an idiot would believe that hitting a horse in the face with a rake is acceptable - kid or not, she knows right from wrong and is just looking for attention. If she really believes that what her trainer did was acceptable, there is NO HOPE for her! Stop feeding her addiction to drama/attention..... JMHO
                          Wow...harsh words.

                          But oh SO true! ::clapping::

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                          • #73
                            I read the original post before it got deleted, but didn't have a chance to reply to it until now.

                            DJ, it's pretty clear that everyone, myself included, thinks that what your trainer did is wrong. Whether you choose to think it's right or wrong is up to you, we can't decide that for you.

                            IN THE FUTURE, I would suggest working past open gates as much as possible. At home, at the trainer's, at shows (though I think you should take a break from showing until you can fix this problem). You need to ride strongly past gates. Open that inside rein and LEG LEG LEG on the outside. You need to do it BEFORE he tries to run out. If you can't do it, then someone stronger/more experienced needs to. Although, if that person is the rake-brandishing trainer, I would make him ride unarmed. Not even a crop. Actually I don't think I'd let him on the horse at all. But anyway, you need to fix the issue from his back, not by having someone brandish a weapon on the ground.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by ~DressageJunkie~ View Post
                              I don't think there was much I could have done to keep him in by using an outside leg and the reins. He has done this at every show and he even does this at home and once at my lesson. No matter what I do I can't keep him from running out, he ignores my leg (or crop) and sticks his nose out to avoid the bit.
                              No offense, then you shouldn't be showing him at this time. If you cannot keep him in the ring (and you said this has happened at every show), you need to work on the problem with a trainer and at home because it is not safe and your inability to correct the problem is not helping to train him correctly. How does he act when your trainer rides him? Has your trainer been on him? Maybe he needs a trainer to show him so he is exposed to the show atmosphere with someone who is able to keep him in the ring. Once you are able to keep him in the ring and he is responsive to your aids, you will be better prepared to show him. Now, freak accidents do happen, but you said this happens pretty often which is not good and needs to be addressed at home (or in training), NOT in the show ring.

                              You two have made a lot of progress, but you still have a lot of work cut out for you. Good luck!
                              Last edited by mcm7780; Aug. 13, 2007, 10:36 PM. Reason: typo!
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                              • #75
                                Cute horse, and three thoughts for you

                                1) I was actually thinking about your situation as I rode my green horse today. It is almost universally accepted that one ought to compete a little lower than they are schooling. So if you are schooling 2'6" at home, show 2' or 2'3". If you are schooling first level dressage, show training level, etc. As I understand it, Texas was not yet schooling courses but you showed him over a course of fences. That's backwards, kiddo. School higher, show lower. And if he always runs out of gates, then that is what you should be schooling. Fix it at home.

                                2) Thanks for sharing the pictures. They provide a missing piece of information. Your stirrups are four holes too long and your hands are in your lap. With your reins and stirrups that long you cannot possibly be using effective outside aids to correct the problem. I don't think it's fair to say that he "ignores" your outside aids. I can't see how one could give effective outside aids with hands in lap and reins this long. You have no control of his shoulders. He can duck out in the blink of an eye-- which, by the way, he could learn to do in front of a fence once they get higher, so please take this seriously. This is not meant to be a criticism of you. You apparently do what your trainer tells you to. Buy the German Riding Federation's handbook, or the USPC handbook, or George Morris' hunt seat equitation. All have very good descriptions of how the proper position allows one to ride the course more effectively. Wonderful books that I consult all of the time, even at my ripe old age. Don't be surprised if you find that they are inconsistent with some of your trainer's advice. They are still very good books.

                                3) Since four pages of posts by experienced competitors have not persuaded you that what your trainer did was wrong, I suspect that nothing will. Nothing, of course, except getting disqualified if/when he does it again. Because that is absolutely not allowed, not only because it is abusive but because it's outside assistance. If you want to show again, this won't fly.
                                Shut up! You look fine! --Judybigredpony
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                                  #76
                                  Westlaw, no way do my stirrups need to go up 4 holes let alone one. If I put them up anymore my knee would be almost off the saddle. The irons already come above my ankle when my leg is out of them.

                                  My reins are a bit too long. My trainer wanted me to have a loose contact with him since he is green and figuring out his balance but I should have shortened them and gotten my hands out of my lap.
                                  -Lindsey

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                                  • #77
                                    Oh dear. I'm not touching this one with a 10' rake. Er, pole.

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                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by TB or not TB? View Post
                                      Oh dear. I'm not touching this one with a 10' rake. Er, pole.
                                      Amen sister.
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                                      • #79
                                        Originally posted by ~DressageJunkie~ View Post
                                        Westlaw, no way do my stirrups need to go up 4 holes let alone one. If I put them up anymore my knee would be almost off the saddle. The irons already come above my ankle when my leg is out of them.
                                        Indeed, you are right. That must be why your crotch is only 1/2 inch above the pommel of your saddle in every picture. To get off of his back, you can either levitate or shorten the stirrups.

                                        Sorry to have made an inaccurate observation. I'll apologize for thinking that you were also looking down, because that isn't true either.

                                        Originally posted by ~DressageJunkie~ View Post
                                        My reins are a bit too long. My trainer wanted me to have a loose contact with him since he is green and figuring out his balance but I should have shortened them and gotten my hands out of my lap.
                                        Your trainer doesn't want you to maintain contact on the reins with a horse that runs out of gates? When he's standing there ready to block the horse's exit with a farm implement? Passing strange.

                                        It's interesting that you are so devoted to this trainer's advice but have been so resistant to dozens of people -- people with whom you voluntarily shared your story and showed your pictures.

                                        Lots of folks show pictures and share stories and get critiques on here, and the advice is often very good. Excellent riders put videos of themselves up all of the time-- check out Xctrygirl on eventing, graciously taking critiques of a video although she has competed for decades. That's a smart rider, opening her mind to what others have to say.

                                        You can disagree with me-- and I'll disagree right back-- but you've disagreed with everyone, which seems like a sign that you're not ready to hear anything but you are right, you're doing it right, your trainer was right. If you want to hear it, I'm sure that someone will be willing to say it. Your horse will not give you that feedback. Horses go exactly as you ride and train them.

                                        Happy riding.
                                        Shut up! You look fine! --Judybigredpony
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                                        • #80
                                          Okay I don't know what the heck happened at that show, I have never jumped a horse in my life, and I think it's okay to smack a horse sometimes (not for the reason that started this thread), but I just looked at the photos and I don't think this show was a big deal. Isn't it okay to not be good, to not have a good trainer, and to tool around on horseback? Of course, I suppose then you don't come to a forum and ask for help that you don't want, but still. I really just wanted to point out this funny and very cutepicture . I don't know what is going on there. Isn't the palomino cute too?

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