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  • #21
    Originally posted by ExJumper View Post
    Shit. Moments too late.

    Can we all please remember that the first person to comment on a thread (any thread, really...) should make sure to quote the entire OP? That would really help some of us out.

    I've been following DJ's progress quite closely and am surprised by what I can infer from this thread. Anyone care to update me either here or by PM?
    Well I meant to quote it sorry.
    Tex ran out the gate on her first course and she was DQd
    For her 2nd course her instructor told her he had a "surprise for her and to be ready" (something maybe he could tell her re: Tex leaving the ring?) and as Tex tried to exit the ring again, WHAM! Trainer smacked him in the face with a rake handle. Tex continued on his course, poor guy.
    Last edited by Angela Freda; Aug. 12, 2007, 11:57 PM.
    Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

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    • #22
      Originally posted by ExJumper View Post
      Quite frankly I have been very impressed with you of late and am honestly trying to find out the story because it's looking kind of shady from the replies so far.
      My thoughts too- just when she got on Tex and started to enjoy riding and was having some success THIS has to happen!
      Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

      http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post
        Well I meant to quote it sorry.
        Tex ran out the gate on her first course and she was DQd
        For her 2nd course her instructor told her he had a "surprise for her ans to be ready' (something maybe he could tell her re: Tex leaving the ring?) and as Tex tried to exit the ring again, WHAM! Trainer smacked him in the face with a rake handle. Tex continued on his course, poor guy.
        S'okay. I forgive you

        Hmm... On the face? I would maybe be okay with an ass-whack, depending on the situation.

        My mare had some in-gate issues when we started showing and there were many shows in our first year where my trainer stood at the in-gate growling at us and brandishing a crop. But my mare was one to avoid things by going backwards, not forwards, so he face would never be a target.

        Oh, and she never actually hit her. Just growled, mostly.
        Originally posted by tidy rabbit
        Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community.

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        • #24
          Well, DJ, I wouldn't worry too much about the internet critique. This guy did this at a show, the whole audience gasped, and you bet the farm that it's the talk of every barn in the circuit tonight. If he jumps your case for posting about it, then I'd tell him that if he's embarrassed of what he did, he shouldn't have done it. The whole h/j world out here saw him. Not like it was a secret or anything.

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          • #25
            You do need to understand that what your trainer did was wrong, and would get both of you suspended at a rated show.

            Your next lesson needs to be learning to teach this horse to pass the gate quietly at all three gates!
            "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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            • #26
              ....

              Quote:
              Originally Posted by ~DressageJunkie~
              First SNL, if you read the whole post I said keep in mind, the handle not the actual rake.

              Enjoytheride, my trainer (and the other trainer standing there) said it was pretty sneaky and I was doing everything right but it just happened so fast.


              Originally posted by SaturdayNightLive View Post
              Yeah, I read the whole post. I'm still going with .
              I am with you.

              ... implying that because it was the handle it was acceptable ?




              Yours in sport,

              Lynn
              Last edited by WhatzUp; Aug. 12, 2007, 10:50 PM. Reason: - to add ~DressageJunkie~'s post ...
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              • #27
                Originally posted by ~DressageJunkie~ View Post
                Usually a post is deleted for a reason, as in it doesn't need to be re posted.
                DJ, ExJumper asked in a polite manner to know the story from YOU as well. even if repeated (verbatim) from another post before responding. Doesn't she deserve a better response than what you gave her? Even when you feel beat upby 10 people, hon, that one person that tried to be fair...you have to drop being mad even when you feel like you could spit nails. It won't help you here of course, but while riding, ExJumper might have had some helpful advice for the next time Tex tries some garbage with you. Just a different side of things, DJ. Not harping on you.

                Ok, I'm going to be very honest with you. I'm not saying your trainer is trash because chances are, the heat in this thread is due to having some abusive trainers in the past or in denial of babying their horses and this is an opportunity to dispute it...without having to face the said trainer. For some, what your trainer did was a problem as far as shows and what's allowed, reputation, as well as plain ole having a good heart. Having a good heart aside, I'll let you find that on your own, the "legal issues" in showing: no shows I know of would have allowed this. Ever. The reputation of the trainer: Wow. I'm shocked in that I'm a former cop AND have competed some fairly competitive levels...yet I don't have the same spine this person does. I would NOT have lost my cool like this, in that people talk and I become the "horsehead beater by rake" person. When it's true, how do you get away from that? It's hard enough when it isn't true!
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                • #28
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                  Originally posted by War Admiral View Post
                  You do need to understand that what your trainer did was wrong, and would get both of you suspended at a rated show.

                  Your next lesson needs to be learning to teach this horse to pass the gate quietly at all three gates!
                  Yes, and yes.

                  Yours in sport,

                  Lynn
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Appassionato View Post
                    DJ, ExJumper asked in a polite manner to know the story from YOU as well. even if repeated (verbatim) from another post before responding. Doesn't she deserve a better response than what you gave her? Even when you feel beat upby 10 people, hon, that one person that tried to be fair...you have to drop being mad even when you feel like you could spit nails. It won't help you here of course, but while riding, ExJumper might have had some helpful advice for the next time Tex tries some garbage with you. Just a different side of things, DJ. Not harping on you.

                    Ok, I'm going to be very honest with you. I'm not saying your trainer is trash because chances are, the heat in this thread is due to having some abusive trainers in the past or in denial of babying their horses and this is an opportunity to dispute it...without having to face the said trainer. For some, what your trainer did was a problem as far as shows and what's allowed, reputation, as well as plain ole having a good heart. Having a good heart aside, I'll let you find that on your own, the "legal issues" in showing: no shows I know of would have allowed this. Ever. The reputation of the trainer: Wow. I'm shocked in that I'm a former cop AND have competed some fairly competitive levels...yet I don't have the same spine this person does. I would NOT have lost my cool like this, in that people talk and I become the "horsehead beater by rake" person. When it's true, how do you get away from that? It's hard enough when it isn't true!
                    Well Freda has it summed up pretty well besides the major fact that he wasn't hit in the head with the rake. My trainer more held the rake while Tex ran straight into it.
                    -Lindsey

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                    • #30
                      When I was 16, I didn't stand up to an adult (my riding team coach) on the subject of the "best" way to get a reluctant (green) horse onto a trailer. Twelve years later, my horse STILL has occasional loading issues. I'm not going to go into the gory details, but suffice it to say that learning to stand up for your horse - and your ethics - is both an important lesson AND a very difficult one to learn. I've never completely forgiven myself for allowing my horse to be mistreated, but I'm grateful that I learned the lesson without anyone actually getting physically injured.

                      So the moral of the story is twofold:

                      1) For the peanut gallery: it's a lot to expect of a teenager to stand up to a trusted adult (in my story, for the record, I didn't even TRUST my coach - I'd seen the way her horses were "trained" - and yet I still didn't make her stay the he!! away from my horse...and I'm hardly the shy, retiring type in general ). It takes a LOT of guts, not to mention the knowledge that the adult is wrong, which is hard to come by if you have been learning a good deal from said adult about everything else.

                      2) For DJ: THINK about what you are being told and decide for yourself whether it is an ethical way to treat a horse. Trust me, you can end up with a lot of regrets and your horse can end up with lifelong issues: imagine, for example, a horse who instead of running OUT the gate, throws his head and spooks every time he goes by the gate. For my money, the horse who tries to duck out is far easier to rehab.

                      Also, though I preface this with the assertion that I blame the trainer in this, not DJ, if ANYONE did ANYTHING like that at a show I was running, the trainer, the horse, and the rider would all be asked to leave IMMEDIATELY. Depending on the circumstances (such as these), the horse and rider might be allowed back if they came with a different trainer. The trainer would not be welcome on the grounds again, EVER. One does not hit a horse in the face - or intentionally allow the horse to hit itself in the face - as punishment for anything besides, on occasion, biting.
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                        #31
                        Originally posted by Kementari View Post
                        Also, though I preface this with the assertion that I blame the trainer in this, not DJ, if ANYONE did ANYTHING like that at a show I was running, the trainer, the horse, and the rider would all be asked to leave IMMEDIATELY. Depending on the circumstances (such as these), the horse and rider might be allowed back if they came with a different trainer. The trainer would not be welcome on the grounds again, EVER. One does not hit a horse in the face - or intentionally allow the horse to hit itself in the face - as punishment for anything besides, on occasion, biting.
                        Jeez, this is the reason I deleted this thread. I don't want my trainer to be bashed.

                        I still trust him and I don't seen anything he did wrong. Maybe you had to be there to see it as it truely was.
                        -Lindsey

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by ~DressageJunkie~ View Post
                          Jeez, this is the reason I deleted this thread. I don't want my trainer to be bashed.

                          I still trust him and I don't seen anything he did wrong. Maybe you had to be there to see it as it truely was.

                          But you said yourself that the people who were there were horrified....it can't be that your trainer is just the shining star and everyone else sucks...I'd have to think that the majority were correct.

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by ~DressageJunkie~ View Post
                            Jeez, this is the reason I deleted this thread. I don't want my trainer to be bashed.

                            I still trust him and I don't seen anything he did wrong. Maybe you had to be there to see it as it truely was.

                            You said yourself the people who did see it gasped. I've been following your posts, and I have liked you, especially you signature, since I have a saddlebred, but this is unacceptable.

                            At the barn I started riding, the horses were neglected and abused. My parents weren't horse people, and, as an eight year old, I didn't know that wasn't how things were done. I left the barn eventually, and looking back, I am horrified at the things I witnessed.

                            It is up to you to decide if running out a gate during his first jumping course which is is doing in a strange area is enough to warrent a green horse getting smacked (or smacking himself, although in the first post you said he was "half hit adn half hit himself") in the head with a hard wooden pole, but the many reactions you have now witnessed show you what others think of this. I don't think I will, personally, be able to read your posts anymore without wondering about possible abuse.

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                            • #34
                              DJ, kiddo -- people WERE there. There is one eyewitness account from a very credible person who saw the whole thing ... and you yourself said the whole crowd gasped. This is something you really need to think about and not just get defensive.

                              I know you were excited to post on here about Tex's first jump course at show -- and this has taken an unexpected turn. No one wants to take away from you the fun and pride you have about Tex doing as well as he did, which apparently was very well aside from the whole running-out thing.

                              But the thing about horses is that there is way more to learn than just riding. And you are being given a gift here -- don't pass it up. There is a lesson in what happened -- and how people have reacted to it -- both those who were there and those to whom you have told the story. Give it some thought.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by ~DressageJunkie~ View Post
                                Well Freda has it summed up pretty well besides the major fact that he wasn't hit in the head with the rake. My trainer more held the rake while Tex ran straight into it.
                                You said he hit him with the rake and let Tex run into the handle.
                                The trainers intention was for the rake handle to meet the horses face, regardless of how it happened it's wrong.
                                Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                                http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by ~DressageJunkie~ View Post
                                  I still trust him and I don't seen anything he did wrong. Maybe you had to be there to see it as it truely was.
                                  Smacking the horse's shoulder, behind your leg, on the rump with some safer object (the end of the broom, not the handle) would have been 100x more acceptable than the head. What if the rake handle went in his eye? his ear? caught in his nose?
                                  Now do you see what was so wrong?

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by Quin View Post
                                    Once I realized the trainer had stepped forward and hit the horse on purpose while you were on course I was sure you were going to be disqualified,...
                                    And I am not the only one who got that....
                                    Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                                    http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by ~DressageJunkie~ View Post
                                      Jeez, this is the reason I deleted this thread. I don't want my trainer to be bashed.

                                      I still trust him and I don't seen anything he did wrong. Maybe you had to be there to see it as it truely was.

                                      But Quinn was there and saw it

                                      I trust her judgement

                                      You need to re-think what is acceptable and not acceptable

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by ~DressageJunkie~ View Post
                                        Jeez, this is the reason I deleted this thread. I don't want my trainer to be bashed.

                                        I still trust him and I don't seen anything he did wrong. Maybe you had to be there to see it as it truely was.
                                        If it truly involved a horse's head intentionally hitting a rake handle while passing the in-gate, then it was wrong.
                                        Proud member of the EDRF

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                                          #40
                                          Originally posted by olympicprincess View Post
                                          Smacking the horse's shoulder, behind your leg, on the rump with some safer object (the end of the broom, not the handle) would have been 100x more acceptable than the head. What if the rake handle went in his eye? his ear? caught in his nose?
                                          Now do you see what was so wrong?
                                          Thats the thing, I (nor does anyone on here) don't know for sure if he was trying to hit him in the face, he could have ment for the shoulder. It's hard to aim with a 900lb horse running at you.
                                          -Lindsey

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