• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Buying US made Strap goods/Leather

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Buying US made Strap goods/Leather

    I have bought a lot of European made strap goods over the years. But lately i have noticed more & more are made in "3rd World Nations". Most likely in sweat shops by child labor - if i want to really think about it.

    I have gone to several manufacturing web sites and can not find anywhere on them if they say where they are made. Except for the "finer" European items there is no statement of where they are made or out of what they are made.

    Which brings me to this. When i was a kid cheap strap goods came from Pakistan. Our pony club instructors told us to avoid those items because they were "inferior". They also told us that the leather used was not usually from cattle. That they could use; cow, horse, pig, goat, sheep, kangaroo, dog and cat and still legally call it "leather".

    My Stubben was pig hide. I have had some great goat skin gloves. But dog hide gloves - ewww. Yep i get it other countries know we are wasteful and silly with our "bi-products" But still....

    I love Campos western boots - i get them from a friend in Mexico. They are PROUD that they only use quality skins. I buy the cow hide - but they use LOTS of other kinds!

    My questions are: Are there good USA or Canadian manufactured strap goods for English & western? And when we import strap goods can we tell what hide it was made from? And if so does it matter?
    "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there"

  • #2
    Quillins in Paris, Kentucky.

    Comment


    • #3
      I have had the same question lately. I have started buying only American, but the strap goods are hard since you just don't know!
      On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog

      Comment


      • #4
        I'm not on the buy American train, but I am definitely on the "good quality strap goods for less $$$" train.

        Bartville Harness Shop in Christiana, PA. Search the forums to read the raves about them. They're Amish so they're very low tech to work with (only answer their phone from 8-8:15 a.m. on weekdays, only take cash or check, their catalog is a glorified set of color copies) but boy do they make some nice stuff. They're the contract supplier for many of Nunn Finer's strap goods, including the stirrup leathers/breastplates/some of the bridles. Get on their mailing list--they're already a steal at everyday prices, but they have 15-20% off sales several times each year.

        Perri's Leather is another choice. A lot of their stuff is Amish-made and all of it is made in the USA http://www.perrisleather.com/

        I do get my halters from Quillin, and they're lovely. They make a beautiful girth too.

        And of course, for custom stirrup leathers, nobody beats Gary Mundy.

        No idea if any of them tans their own hides.
        Last edited by jn4jenny; Feb. 19, 2010, 12:08 PM.
        Head Geek at The Saddle Geek Blog http://www.thesaddlegeek.com/

        Comment


        • #5
          The tanning process itself has largely gone overseas. It's messy and some chemical tanning treatments are non environmentally correct.

          Then you get things like the hides shipped to other countries, processed, cut into smaller pieces then shipped back where it is cut, sewn,assembled into what we call strap goods and labeled "Made in XXXX". Which is correct but does not mention where those hides were processed.
          When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

          The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

          Comment

          • Original Poster

            #6
            I wanted to add that a German friend got me thinking about it. She is a new US Citizen and is fiercely "Buy American".
            "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there"

            Comment


            • #7
              I have used strap goods from Quillin's Leather (halter), Perris (used bridles and stirrup leasthers) and Tory's (used stirrup leathers and martigales; want to try the bridles) So far I have been satisfied with the American made stuff and will continue to buy American. I, too, prefer my leather goods either made in Europe or made in America

              Comment


              • #8
                She is a new US Citizen and is fiercely "Buy American".
                She'll get over it! Honestly, there is precious little that is made in the U.S. nowadays, which is one of the reasons our country is in the shape it's in! I wish our legislators would wake up and smell the coffee....

                I once bought a cheap snaffle bridle at an auction about ten years ago, not realizing it was little more than cardboard--don't know what it's made out of but I've never seen anything like it. A far cry from the least expensive bridles Miller's Harness used to carry in the late 60's early 70's that were stamped "Made in England". I miss Miller's Harness!

                There are several Amish tack shops around me that manufacture their own halters, bridles, and harnesses.
                "None of us can move forward if half of us are being held back." ~Anonymous~

                Comment

                • Original Poster

                  #9
                  Weaver is made in the USA
                  "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there"

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    just my 2 cents!

                    I remember a conversation I had years ago with a local leatherworker. He said almost all the English/Irish & French made goods were made with US hides. Apparently we send lots over there.....for what it's worth!!

                    I'd buy Canadian too BTW! but never seen any.

                    And don't you remember when Romanian leather was big? a snidge better than India but worse than English. I'had good luck with that.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jn4jenny View Post
                      I'm not on the buy American train, but I am definitely on the "good quality strap goods for less $$$" train.

                      Bartville Harness Shop in Christiana, PA. Search the forums to read the raves about them. They're Amish so they're very low tech to work with (only answer their phone from 8-8:15 a.m. on weekdays, only take cash or check, their catalog is a glorified set of color copies) but boy do they make some nice stuff. They're the contract supplier for many of Nunn Finer's strap goods, including the stirrup leathers/breastplates/some of the bridles. Get on their mailing list--they're already a steal at everyday prices, but they have 15-20% off sales several times each year.
                      Seconded. I'm lucky enough to live close enough to go to their retail shop. You can just feel the quality of the leather.

                      I think their best kept secret is their tack cabinet. For $300-$400 (depending on number of shelves, racks, hooks etc.) you can get an absolutely beautiful cabinet. Less expensive than just the materials if you were going to build it yourself. Only drawback there is that you need to be close enough to pick it up yourself.
                      "Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple” – Barry Switzer

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I've actually been surprised at how much is still made in the US once you start looking. I even found a place in Philadelphia that makes horse blankets. Of course I can't remember their name now that it would be useful...

                        But I think if you look around beyond the big-box stores you can find a ton of things still made here, they just aren't going to be the name brands you are familiar with. Around here I think I could build almost an entire house using only things made within surrounding states, and mostly within nearby counties and the city itself. But none of it would come from Lowe's or Target or Walmart.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          I was disappointed to find out that my Bates saddle was no longer made in Australia - a look under the flap finds very small print stamped in the leather,
                          "Made in Vietnam".

                          It is a great saddle, very comfy for the horse, but, you know, just wish the country of origin was made clear.

                          I feel the same way when I go for a California roll and find out that it is mock crab instead of real crab -- just tell me and I can make a decision on my own.
                          Proud member of People Who Hate to Kill Wildlife clique

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            I sell horse tack on eBay. It is all imported. Why? Because when I listed American made stuff, I couldn't sell it for what I had in it, much less pay my eBay/PayPal fees and make any profit.

                            Everybody talks big about buying American, but when push comes to shove, they don't step up to the plate.
                            Everybody lies - Gregory House, M.D.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Bartville Harness makes beautiful stuff. I have stirrup leathers and a breastplate from them. As mswillie said, you can feel the quality. I'm a six hour drive and am planning another trip down there (and to other tack stores) in the spring. I just can't say enough good things about them. Oh, and the prices are awesome--the breastplate I got is the Nunn Finer hunting breastplate with elastic. BoB sells it for ~168, I paid ~130. BoB sells the stirrup leathers for $57, I paid ~35. Looooove Bartville.
                              Against My Better Judgement: A blog about my new FLF OTTB
                              Do not buy a Volkswagen. I did and I regret it.
                              VW sucks.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X