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Do Horses Get Jealous of Other Horses?

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  • Do Horses Get Jealous of Other Horses?

    We have 3 horses - my husband has one and I have two. My one, named "Mr. B", is 6 yrs old, we rescued about a year ago from a private owner in W.VA. who had gone bankrupt. He lived alone, was foot sore, no electricity in the barn, running water, etc.. and very skinny. So in the past year he's grown, we added weight and he's become my #1 horse.

    My husband's horse, "Doc", is 11 yrs old, and continually watches me when I'm around "Mr. B". I ride Mr B everyday, I guess you could say he's spoiled, etc... My husband rarely pays attn to Doc, only uses him as a utility horse (old fox-hunter mentality) so doesn't spoil his horse. So when I'm not around, I notice Doc uses his size, age, etc.. to push around Mr B...Is Doc jealous of Mr B? I can't stand the way Doc is always watching me. (my other horse is the alpha and is in his own world most of the time).....So do horses get jealous when they don't get enough attention?

  • #2
    They get jealous even when they get plenty of attention!

    We have a couple of green-eyed monsters at my boarding stable who play "I'll have your human." BO's big TB and my fair-sized QH.

    When I go out to catch QH, TB deliberately puts her large self in between us until I stroke her face and tell her how she is indeed Queen of All She Surveys.

    When BO goes out to pay attention to her TB, my QH insinuates himself into the love fest and will bite the TB if he can.

    I think they're "resource-guarding." In horse math, human=good things. So Human x 2 or 3 = more good things for meeeee.
    I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

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    • #3
      Horses are very often VERY jealous. We just got a new pony and one of our other ponies (barn pet so to speak) was watching me lunge the new boy and he got furious. He started rearing up and dancing around and kicking and carrying on. It was very obvious he was jealous and mad.

      So the answer is yes, yes, yes and even when they get tons of attention

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      • #4
        I believe the behavior all of you described can be explained by horse herd dynamics which is goverened by hierarchy--and don't think they feel "jealousy" in the way we define it. Frankly, i think any horse that deliberately obstructs your path thinks it outranks you and I'd disabuse him of that notion right quick.

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        • #5
          I'm not sure I'd ascribe such a uniquely human emotion to a horse, but I do think when they know you bring scritches and food, most of them are inclined to come see whether they can get one or both from you.

          I've used this inclination against my mare a few times; she likes to play hard to catch, so I would go to catch her and would go directly to the mini she was turned out with and rub on her and pretend to give her cookies (poor thing is rather round, so no real cookies for her), and my mare had to come see about that. It was a good way to get her to start coming over to me again instead of running off a bit and then turning to see whether I was going to come "chase" her.
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          • #6
            Most definitely. My mare socialized peacefully within her herd until I entered the pasture. Then she came running to me, and any other horse approached us at their peril.

            After I returned her to pasture, things were back to normal.
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            • #7
              I have to disagree, I think horses do get jealous. I have four horses and when I go out to groom them I do one at a time. My old QH loves to be groomed and he will squeeze in between me and the horse I am grooming and just stand there until I start grooming him. There is no food involved in this just human touch and attention.

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              • #8
                I tend to think they do not feel "jealousy" as we understand it.
                That does not mean that my gelding does not usually make sure I get to him first in the field and pin his ears at other horses who approach or my mare does not voice her displeasure if I stop at my gelding's stall first but I think there are other causes for that behavior than jealousy.
                There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man.(Churchill)

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                • #9
                  I would agree that what we call jealousy is linked to herd dynamics- suckin' up to the alpha (me, the human) if you will.

                  With that qualifier, yeah, 'jealousy' for lack of a better term is the norm. Whichever of my current two I'm riding, the other is likely turned out and not happy to not be 'the chosen one.'

                  When, back east, I kept several on 5 acres, peace was the norm when I wasn't around, in accordance with the herd's pecking order. If I walked out and gave Mr. Omega a pat, and walked back to the barn, I could observe Mr. Alpha going after Mr. Omega, putting him in his place, so to speak.

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                  • #10
                    I had one that was most certainly jealous. I used to ride him and a few for the barn owner most days after school. He was always fine as long as he was ridden first or at least didn't see me ride anyone else. There are two specific times I remember when he showed is displeasure.

                    He saw me leading a horse out of the barn and made nasty faces (not his usual mo). When I went to get him he kept his butt towards me and made me work to get to his face, then he deliberately put his hoof down on top of my foot and turned, grinding with a what? look on his face as I yelled and whacked him off. This was a horse with impeccable ground manners. He never did it before or after.

                    The other incident was when he was way down in the field so I figured I'd ride a horse that was already in. The turnout field surrounded the ring on two sides. So as I'm working this horse I come up the long side and all of the sudden there is my horse with his head hanging in the ring just looking at me. He just stayed there and stared the whole time with a disgruntled look. Again, not his normal behavior and one that was not repeated. Had he been ridden first he wouldn't have cared a whit.

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                    • #11
                      My older horse is practically GREEN with jealousy over the young one. She bosses her around unmercifically too. Meanly! But when no people are around they mostly get along like BFFs. But just TRY and separate them!
                      Every mighty oak was once a nut that stood its ground.

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                      • #12
                        Iunno after dealing with my little pony gelding princess I'm pretty convinced they do feel jealousy...

                        This pony lives to be the center of all the attention. Hissy fits are thrown if people are in the barn and not paying attention to him. Princess pony walks out of lineup as soon as they say "and in First Place is...." I have non-horseie parents coming up to me at the shows while their kids are riding him to let me know that he is posing for the camera...

                        But more on the lines of jealous behavior out of him, while I am working with my current #1 beastie, our princess pony will turn for the worst. Before I discovered the connection, I had him out for a hack with another rider on him and he kept lunging to attack my gelding that I was on. Usually our leadline/walk-trot superstar wouldn't dream of causing havoc while someone is on him... let alone a kid... that would jeopardize his chances of getting to go to the next horse show....but he was angry... and it was at my horse, not the others out with us... As soon as I stepped off my gelding and handed him to someone else the behavior quit immediately and it would not start again until I took back my gelding. Needless to say I don't have anyone ride him while I am working my gelding anymore.

                        And another tinge of jealousy I saw out of him is the swift deliberate removal of ribbons on my gelding's door the first chance he got and every chance after that... Everyone else's don't ever get touched, but he is not happy that I am paying attention and god-forbid showing another horse. Could be a strange coincidence but I don't think so... not for a pony who would rather have a ribbon than a treat...

                        And it is not my gelding himself that princess pony hates, they are stalled next to each other with a metal grill between them and I catch them sharing hay through the bars on the video cam all the time... But if I come down there and say hi to my gelding before princess pony, we are very lucky there is a wall there... I don't dare turn them out together because at some point I will have to go get my horse, and not the pony, and I wouldn't want to see what that will turn into...

                        Could it all just be some odd herd dymanics... sure... but to me, seems much more like plain old jealousy...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by HungarianHippo View Post
                          I believe the behavior all of you described can be explained by horse herd dynamics which is goverened by hierarchy--and don't think they feel "jealousy" in the way we define it. Frankly, i think any horse that deliberately obstructs your path thinks it outranks you and I'd disabuse him of that notion right quick.
                          Well, isn't what we call jealousy among our species explained by the same thing? I believe I place above all others in the human hierarchy when it comes to my DH.

                          As for the TB thinking she outranks me, I don't believe she does. I can move her if I choose to by flicking the end of the lead rope at her. Or I can stroke her face and tell her how well she looks today and she moves away on her own. She is one of those touch-me-not TBs (well, most of the time) after all.
                          I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Tazgirl View Post
                            I have to disagree, I think horses do get jealous. I have four horses and when I go out to groom them I do one at a time. My old QH loves to be groomed and he will squeeze in between me and the horse I am grooming and just stand there until I start grooming him. There is no food involved in this just human touch and attention.

                            I have one just like that!!!!!!
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                            • #15
                              If it is just a herd dynamic, it's so closely related to jealousy as to be indistinguishable!

                              My special horse is particularly jealous... part of the reason for her nickname The Pony Princess.

                              Our stalls are pipe panel so they horses can all see what is being done or given to another horse. All of them will stretch their noses into a neighboring stall if I am in there ("pet me! pet meeeee!). But The Pony Princess takes it one step further. First, she STARES at me no matter what I am doing if it doesn't involve her, with a very distinct expression not used when she is looking intently at a horse in the distance, or even at the feed cart entering the barn. Then, if I continue to "shun" her she will turn her back on me and stare at the wall. If I then go to her stall and try to call her to the front, she Will.Not.Come. She'll sneak looks at me out of the corner of her eye but she continues to stare at the wall until I have been suitably punished.

                              I may be attributing incorrect causes or meanings to this behavior but I am not exaggerating the description of the behavior at all. It has been observed and commented upon by lots of folks at the barn and visitors!
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                                #16
                                I love these responses b/c I do believe horse feel jealousy. My alpha is just like "Paint Misbehavin's" - a "touch me not" appendix. He can really care less if I pet him, turns his head away as if to say "I know you're my alpha but I rule out here".. and he knows he's handsome to boot! I just feel that my husband's horse is so longing for attention that he stares at me all the time, gives me the creeps! No joke, anywhere he is, he's staring at me, and if I give attention to my 2, it's like he's talking to me, pet me, pet me! I wish my husband would give him some attn!!

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                                • #17
                                  Horses show other traits too.. I have a retired tb who is the most loving horse to me I've ever owned; just kind and careful around me, a true sweetheart.--yet, my Very Possessive app gelding allows it and him to be his only forever friend. >Maybe he enjoys the tb's kindness too.
                                  The other day I was visiting a trainer I used to work for ... felt a nose nudge me and just moved away, the nose reached and nudged harder till I looked and it was a horse from my old string moved to a different stall. We played our old tricks and pats without me even saying a word.
                                  My current string knows my truck, they know me and act differently with me than other grooms -- each with their own personality -- and yes, they show jealousy when one gets a treat *first*... stomp goes hoof, shake goes head...nicker goes the next -- one even drools--giving me pathetic eyes.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by JoZ View Post
                                    If it is just a herd dynamic, it's so closely related to jealousy as to be indistinguishable!
                                    ^^^^this^^^^ lol!

                                    There is some serious jealousy that goes on around here.
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                                    • #19
                                      I am going to agree that horses can be jealous, even if it is just herd dynamics.

                                      My (very first) old show horse was laid up for a while. I was allowed to ride/show one of his paddock buddies. First day my horse was allowed out with his herd-he beat the tar out of the horse I had been using as a sub. He never wanted to play nice with that horse again.

                                      I have seen several behaviors that can only be described as "jealousy" between horses
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                                        #20
                                        Wow Vindicated - your 'sub' horse probably had no idea what he did wrong. Poor thing. Yes, I believe horsres are very protective of their 'people', and jealous as well.

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