Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You're responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the Forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it--details of personal disputes may be better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts, though are not legally obligated to do so, regardless of content.

Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting. Moderators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts unless they have been alerted and have determined that a post, thread or user has violated the Forums' policies. Moderators do not regularly independently monitor the Forums for such violations.

Profanity, outright vulgarity, blatant personal insults or otherwise inappropriate statements will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Users may provide their positive or negative experiences with or opinions of companies, products, individuals, etc.; however, accounts involving allegations of criminal behavior against named individuals or companies MUST be first-hand accounts and may NOT be made anonymously.

If a situation has been reported upon by a reputable news source or addressed by law enforcement or the legal system it is open for discussion, but if an individual wants to make their own claims of criminal behavior against a named party in the course of that discussion, they too must identify themselves by first and last name and the account must be first-person.

Criminal allegations that do not satisfy these requirements, when brought to our attention, may be removed pending satisfaction of these criteria, and we reserve the right to err on the side of caution when making these determinations.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it's understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users' profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses -- Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it's related to a horse for sale, regardless of who's selling it, it doesn't belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions -- Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services -- Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products -- While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements -- Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be "bumped" excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues -- Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators' discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the �alert� button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your �Ignore� list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you'd rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user's membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 5/9/18)
See more
See less

where did the "Chestnut Mare" taboo start?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    #21
    Originally posted by Dazednconfused View Post
    I'd never heard of the 'chestnut mare beware' thing until first reading COTH. It's unheard of in the Arabian world...so weird!
    I've only heard it in reference to chestnut THOROUGHBRED mares.
    She wasn't running away with me, I just couldn't stop her!

    Comment


      #22
      Growing up- I desperately wanted a big bay QH gelding. I ended up with a chestnut OTTB mare. She was a typical redhead (as we call them- no offense to human redheads!). She was on fire all the time! Until the day she died just shy of 30yo she would take off with me bucking and rearing and nostrils flaring!

      Since then- I purchased a chestnut TB broodmare. Bred to a bay TB stud 3x and produced... 3 red babies! I have a big bay w/lots of white markings ISH mare bred to a big solid bay TB and got... get this... a red baby!!!! Go figure! I have the red curse. Now have 11 horses and 6 of them are red! Then two bays, a grey, and two paints.

      The TB broodmare is a typical one too. Fiesty as all get out. Quiet most of the time but every once in awhile- pulls a rear/squeal on the way out to the field!

      Comment


        #23
        I heard this recently as well, never heard it before in my LIFE! I have had a few chestnut mares and I LOVED them all, Dd has a chestnut pony mare now and we love her, she is the BEST! Of course she is also the SMARTEST animal I have ever met, but not hot or bad just really really SMART!
        I would buy another in a heartbeat, but then again I am not very superstitious!
        Kim
        If you are lucky enough to ride, you are lucky enough.

        Comment


          #24
          Originally posted by Dazednconfused View Post
          I'd never heard of the 'chestnut mare beware' thing until first reading COTH. It's unheard of in the Arabian world...so weird!
          I've also never heard the "chestnut mare" stereotype in the QH world. Chestnut/sorrel are the most common colors for registered QH, so obviously no prejudice there. In fact, at QH shows, a dark bay often stands out in a sea of sorrels, the exact opposite of hunter-land.

          That being said, I have 2 chestnut mares that fit the stereotype: smart, sensitive, and unwilling to put up with BS. I had always thought that it was their TB ancestry (they are racing-bred QHs) at work, but maybe it's a combination of TB and being chestnut.

          I think there could be a potential grain of truth to the stereotypes. A couple studies have shown that redheaded people are more sensitive to pain--something my father, a dentist, suspected for years. Since the chestnut color in horses is associated with a mutation in the same gene as in redheaded people, there may be some basis for the "sensitivity" myth. I also remember a study done with cows some years ago, in which animals with whorls high or low on the forehead were scored for reactivity to a new environment, and sure enough, high whorls were associated with a more agitation.

          It seems unlikely that one gene is the be-all and end-all for a complex trait like temperment, but given how many people replied with tales of their chestnut mares, must be something there. I for one hope to spend the rest of my riding life "owned" by chestnut mares.
          BES
          Proudly owned by 2 chestnut mares
          Crayola Posse: sea green
          Mighty Rehabbers Clique

          Comment


            #25
            Not all human redheads have a low pain treshold, I don't.

            I can hit my thumb with a hammer and say, "ouch, this hurt a lot", when someone else will jump around shaking their hand and using less than polite words.

            Then, I am, or was, a darker shade of redhead.
            Maybe only the bright red color is the one we are talking about?

            Comment


              #26
              someone will correct me I am sure

              but I seem to remember that from the same germ layer in the embryo develops both the nervous tissue and the hair coat. so it makes sense that there might be a correlation.

              or something
              A man must love a thing very much if he not only practices it without any hope of fame or money, but even practices it without any hope of doing it well.--G. K. Chesterton

              Comment


                #27
                Anyone remember the song by the Byrds? mid-1960's?

                "I'm going to catch that horse if I can"...

                Wasn't it called Chestnut Mare?

                ok, can't get it out of my head now,

                "and we'll be friends for life, she'll be just like my wife"

                hah!

                Then she jumped over the cliff, "me holding on."
                "I swear it happened just like this" - Leonard Cohen

                Comment


                  #28
                  I've owned chestnuts, sorrels, bays, one sabino, duns, one grulla...

                  The 'red head' stereotype has always been tongue in cheek as far as I'm concerned. And not gender specific. It's fun to have 'something' to blame when your 'red head' blows up in a class or otherwise does something idiotic.

                  Now, the anti-mare thing, that's somewhat more 'serious' if my experience with riding buddies is any indication. In fact, I make sure to ride my good mare when I know one fellow is going to be out with the group that day, just to razz him a bit...

                  Comment


                    #29
                    Originally posted by Rocky View Post
                    Maybe it's TESTICLES....not OVARIES
                    Nope, the vet has confirmed that his TESTICLES are long gone.

                    There's a tiny (14.2 hands, maybe 800 pounds) chestnut TB mare in the barn who does live up to the stereotype, but she was a rescue out of a pretty bad situation, so that may have "turned" her.

                    The other chestnut mare is a gigantic 5 YO WB who has very patiently tolerated stall rest for months after a surgery, with very little Chestnut Mare behavior. I am impressed.

                    Now I of course have a palomino, which is a genetic variant of chestnut. The "chestnut" stereotype does not apply, but parts of the "blonde" one do -- she's very much an "Ice Princess" (except when one has food.) Very very smart, though.
                    You have to have experiences to gain experience.

                    1998 Morgan mare Mythic Feronia "More Valley Girl Than Girl Scout!"

                    Comment


                      #30
                      We've got one chestnut mare at the barn who is 1/2 TB and just plain CRAZY. Even my trainer, who sees the best in every horse, admits that she has more than one screw loose. She's sensitive, flighty, territorial, VERY vocal, and hot, hot, hot. She has some chrome and a pretty sizable star.

                      Now, I also owned a chestnut TB mare. She was mostly solid, had a tiny sock on her left hind, and a couple white hairs where a star would be. She was the smartest horse I've ever had the opportunity to work with. She loved to work, and wanted SO hard to please that you could almost see the wheels turning. That being said, she was hot- needed lunging, lots of hacking, needed to be ridden every day- but she wasn't stupid or scary or mean about it. She just had a lot of energy. She wasn't an overly affectionate horse- she'd tolerate being groomed and petted on a little bit, but she wasn't the type you could cuddle and dote on for hours, which was fine by me.

                      There's a picture of her in my signature, and here's one of her at our last show together- it was her first time cantering a 2'6'' course and man did she have fun with it

                      http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1125720084

                      Please note where she's jumping in relation to the jump
                      Willow- http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1125720084

                      Comment


                        #31
                        I am not a fan of mares to begin with, and especially not chestnut ones. When I went horse shopping I ruled all chestnuts out period, which made my selection much smaller and easier to pick from. Every bad experience or injury I have had has been with a chestnut horse. Mare or gelding. I figure it's karma, and they should be avoided like the plague.

                        Comment


                          #32
                          Before I was a horse owner, two of the lesson horses I had the longest standing relationship with were chestnut mares. Both were great horses, if on the sensitive side.

                          The second one, a QH who must have had a fair bit of TB blood, would cart a tiny child around in complete safety but had lots of spirit and go if you were more advanced. She was broke to death and knew all the reining moves by heart--all you had to do was give an approximation of the right aids and she would do the move perfectly. She really was a push-button horse.

                          Comment


                            #33
                            I've heard it frequently in the hunter/jumper community. I've known some good chestnut mares and some that lived up to the stereotype. Though, if I was buying one for resale I would not look at a chestnut mare.
                            Eight Fences Farm. Mansfield, MA

                            Comment


                              #34
                              I currently have two chestnut TB mares that are down right lovely. Total exceptions to the stereo type. Quiet sensible and friendly as can be! Love to work.

                              But... I have known one very crazy chestnut, not a she...he was a gelding and a QH but nutso for about 2-3 years. A good friend of mine stuck with him and put a ton of more time and effort into him than I would have EVER bothered and much to my surprise made him into a nice non crazy kid's horse.....

                              Comment


                                #35
                                Simbalism, your mare is darling

                                My mother had a chestnut mare I referred to as "That Cow". I am generally not a fan of the chestnut mare. The one I know now is an IDIOT for lack of a better word.

                                Comment


                                  #36
                                  Here's a better saying to remember: No good horse is a bad color.

                                  Horse people tend to be superstitious. That's probably how it started.

                                  I prefer chestnut mares, because I like the color and I love mares. And yes, I've had a chestnut OTTB mare--she was quite sane and easy going. First horse I ever owned who actually spooked in place. Didn't know they could spook without spinning and bolting. She liked to throw a buck or two when she was feeling good, but it wasn't mean spirited or "fiery."

                                  BTW, my current riding horse is a bay TB gelding. Somebody else is riding my chestnut Arabian mare for me this year because I'm not sound enough to put the conditioning mileage in for endurance. I'm bummed for myself but happy for the mare and the rider.
                                  "Passion without knowledge is a runaway horse."

                                  Comment


                                    #37
                                    Love TBs. Love mares. Love chestnuts. A trifecta! I have a chestnut TB gelding now, and I will say that he can be sensitive. Thin skin, very fine coat, easily irritated skin, etc. I do feel like there is "something" more sensitive about chestnut horses' skin, but that's not based on anything scientific...just observation. Perhaps that makes them hotter in general? I don't know. Makes no difference to me - I love them just the same!

                                    Comment


                                      #38
                                      Originally posted by Miss Aria View Post
                                      I've also been told that chestnuts are unhealthier than other colors and when they get, say, a skin wound, they take forever to heal as opposed to other colors. That sort of generalization astonishes me but what can you do? I've owned enough chestnuts in my lifetime to know it's an old wives' tale; indeed, the only bay that I owned seemed to prove that theory, not the chestnuts. But then again, maybe it's an Arabian thing, LOL.
                                      About 20 years ago when I was working at a Morgan farm during my breaks from college, one of the older horsewomen told me that chestnuts tended to have more skin issues and also a higher incident of allergies. I have no idea if this is true, but I've always remembered it.

                                      Chestnut has always been my least favorite color but now I own one (gelding). He has allergies and if he gets the smallest cut on his leg it blows up. Coincindence?

                                      Comment


                                        #39
                                        I'm not sure where it originated from, but like many things, if something is repeated enough, it becomes gospel. My parents have raised numerous chestnut TB fillies over the years, and I've personally never seen a pattern. As a matter of fact, my last horse - a really pretty chestnut mare that we bred - was the sweetest, most honest, quiet, talented, horse you could ask for. Gosh, I miss her.

                                        Comment


                                          #40
                                          Originally posted by trafalgar View Post
                                          I just saw on a thread a comment about a hot chestnut mare, the context of which suggested that we all know "chestnut mare" means trouble. I have had wonderful chestnut mares. Where did this wive's tale come from? It makes no scientific sense......does it?
                                          Every chestnut mare I've ever had (even the mutt pony, though she WAS part pony LOL), or had to train(ooh, except for one little bitty, half starved TB filly) , has been a hot little number, even the QH mare.

                                          I am one of those who is turned off by those matching the wives' tale definition..my own scientific study is good enough for me
                                          "As a rule we disbelieve all the facts and theories for which we have no use."- William James
                                          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                                          Proud member of the Wheat Loss Clique.

                                          Comment

                                          Working...
                                          X