Parelli training...what do you think??

[Trakehners2000]

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Is there a CT or Endurance thread on here? I'm new... if there is could you tell me where it is? Thanks! MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!</span>

[saratoga]

I do endurance and competitive trail also. Once in awhile, the subject comes up on this board but there is no separate area for it.

[prudence]

ot again - do you ctr or endurance riders read ridecamp? You can sign up at endurance.net. A little volatile but interesting for the most part.

[Trakehners2000]

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">I just starrted with CT. Love it. </span><span class="ev_code_GREEN">Started out with a 5 mile "Taste" ride, Had a total BLAST! Finished in 51 minutes and won. Was 1 min. behind every one else, though I thought he would benefit from the extra walking in slower. And he did, since we </span><span class="ev_code_BLUE">won it. Then we conditioned sum, and with a little apprehension, tried our first 25 miler. It was great, and I was addicted...we followed some great folks and chatted the entire way and finished a happy first! Got a great little Apdra mug! Next one was even better, same great folks, fun camping and a blast again and we finished 6th in our weight and 11th overall. We love it. Love cantering together down the trail, love camping with hubby and horses....awesome horse friends... Love it. Never seen the horse happier than blazin' down the trail.</span>

[prudence]

What breed of horse do you use? I've been having a good time doing endurance (9 50s so far and 3 25s) with an old Hanoverian. SOOO much fun!

[Trakehners2000]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by prudence:
What breed of horse do you use? I've been having a good time doing endurance (9 50s so far and 3 25s) with an old Hanoverian. SOOO much fun! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Careful asking me about my horse....I could talk about him all day! He is by the Trakehner Carino & o/o the PSB Arabian mare, Kismet Ky-Anne ox. Here is the photo alblum I put together of him today...way too many pictures, right?? Think I need to go edit some out!</span> <span class="ev_code_GREEN">Am so addicted to Competitive now! Think about it all the time and am planning our 'camping trips' now! Have the whole year planned already (barring any setbacks )

He is four, so we are truly just begining! Don't get me wrong, I love dressage, cattle work, NH, teaching him tricks ect ect, though Competitive Trail is so awesome!</span>

<span class="ev_code_PURPLE">For us, part of the draw has been the folks in CT and Endurance, so nice! Such good folks to be around, they are encouraging, helpful and funny!</span>
Here is our photo link:
Karino's Fire Photos
I know I'm barn blind
I just think he's the cats meow, so to speak!
Hope the link works...didn't the first 2 times!

[LMH]

Your link isn't working

[Trakehners2000]

Must of tried it before I fixed it,
sorry, it should be up and going now.
<span class="ev_code_GREEN">Happy Holidays!!!</span>

[prudence]

I loved looking at the pictures. Your boy is absolutely breathtaking. Sounds like you are off to a good start with him. Do you use Parelli methods with him (e.g., is that how he is curled up next to you?) We have just started. My daughter gave me sleigh bells for Christmas. Well we took them outside, thinking to put them around the alpha horse Duncan's neck and listen to bells all morning. The horses fled when the heard them! All it takes is for us to go out and flick one little bell and there they go. Of course we have been having fun doing this...

I am addictd to endurance riding and can't wait for the season to start up again. Here in the west the first ride is usually in March. Have fun planning.

[Trakehners2000]

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Glad you enjoyed the photos and thanks for the *flowers*. We started him with John Lyons methods, and just with what we thought would work and had fun with him. 2 years ago one of my riding students made a ring of beautiful gold bells over black and gold rope (his colors), and he seems to really enjoy learning that he was making the noise! You know you can get cat/dog collars totally ringed with bells around Christmas time!!! We also had these on around his pasterns when ground driving, he loves it!! Really enjoys making the bells ring! She also gave us this neat golden heart wreath made of all gold bells with some holly on it. We used to put it on his stall door at Christmas, though we are at a non-stall-decore barn now.. so it is at home.</span>
<span class="ev_code_GREEN">Totally off subject, though there was a mare at that stable that was blind, and they had braided bells into the mane and tale of the foal so she always knew where the foal was.</span>
<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Glad to meet another distance riding addict! Our first scheduled ride is in April, though in WI that could be cancelled due to snow, you never know!!!</span> <span class="ev_code_BLUE">Hope to do one 25 a month, starting in April, depending on how the season goes...I was thinking of doing a 25 on a Friday and one on Sunday. Thanks I am having fun planning, though I know that things change~ so I'm flexible!</span>

[LMH]

T2000---love your photos...you can tell you are one proud mama.

OK now you have be curious...what is it about JL that you prefer over PP? No marketing blahblah...I mean pure training philosophy and methodolgy.

Tell me what you see as the difference between the two and why one is better to you.

[Trakehners2000]

<span class="ev_code_RED">Merry </span><span class="ev_code_GREEN">Christmas!!!</span>
<span class="ev_code_PURPLE">Okay, John Lyons...hmm. I like his way with horses. I like his straight forward behavior. I like the lack of 'spin' on the games. He doesn't rip on disciplines such as dressage- he gives them respect...He doesn't rip on breeds of horses, he gives them equal respect. His horses seem happy, he tends to promote safety. He is well grounded. When he realizes something is wrong with a method, he has no problem changing it. I just wish he'd switch to pinchless bits too!</span>

[Trakehners2000]

<span class="ev_code_PURPLE">For an example of switching behavior, he stopped advocating getting on a horse and having it rise with the rider, as it is hard on the horse.</span>

<span class="ev_code_GREEN">He changed his mind about just riding a colt out on the trail as soon as it was acepting of a rider...Realization that a trail can un train a horse...</span>


<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Maybe it is just his general mannerism, his apparent ability to accept that he, even though he is world famous, too makes mistakes and is still learning and willing to change. It is basically the heart of the man.</span>
<span class="ev_code_PURPLE">He decided that while bridleless riding maybe cool, that horses end up frustrated due to all the cues... and doesn't promote it as much anymore...</span>

[LMH]

Didn't he also change his dealing with biters? If I recall I read something recently that while he used to have his "3 second rule" he now promotes more the idea of over annoying the horses mouth so he just doesn't want to put his little chomper on you anymore.
I think it is great that these and other good trainers are always looking to improve how they do and teach things.

[flyingchange]

Oh my gosh, T2, your horse is gorgeous, and he looks like he is very sweet too.

[Trakehners2000]

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Thanks so much Flyingchange, I love him soooo much and he is sooo sweet. thanks for looking at him..</span>
<span class="ev_code_PURPLE">LMH you are right, he has changed on that one too!</span>

[Trakehners2000]

<span class="ev_code_PURPLE">LMH, I was just re-reading the "why do I like JL" question and response...</span><span class="ev_code_BLUE">And I realized that really part of my answer should have been that I really don't and never have totally followed and advocated one trainer...or method of training. I like to learn from all different types of disciplines. When I grew up showing in Ohio, I had came from kind of 'fresh off the farm' horse loving girl into a world of VERY separate disciplines.</span>
I was so happy and excited to see all the different things people did with their horses...
only to find out the Western Pleasure people did not talk to the English People or to anyone else for that matter, especially the halter people to the barrel racers...yikes..
Well, I didn't know that, didn't understand it and never have accepted it. I talked to whoever talked to me, and over the next six years I think myself and my friends started to knock down a few walls, just because we came in late in the game, so to speak and didn't know any better. I don't know what that really has to do with PNH, maybe I just don't like 'exclusive' things, and maybe in the PNH people I know, I see it. And I know that it is not all PNH... just the ones I know...but the LP comments against dressage, Trakehners, ect.. are very much like the anti-_______ (fill in the blank, WP,H/J...) that I first saw in 4-H.

Maybe I am too versatile...?? Don't mean to offend anyone, sorry to ramble.

[Tory Relic]

For the original poster:

I am not a disciple of anyone (unless you count GM). I can see good ideas in many non-conventional forms of training. I agree with the one poster (Other?) who went out to the midwest and was exposed to western horses and the emphasis on ground training *some* of them have. I, too, am a fan of ground training and I did grow up riding western horses. If it doesn't respect my space, I'm not ready to ride it. If it doesn't stand tied, I'm not ready to ride it. If it doesn't pick up its feet, I'm not ready to ride it. I don't believe in 90 day wonders. I don't believe (you name the clinician) can work my horse for a clinic session and get rid of a bad habit. I don't believe in any training method that incorporates equipment I couldn't buy at my tack shop before whomever they are got to be famous.

I read several people, John Lyons is one, and I incorporate some of his methods. They work with different horses in different situations, it's like having a tool box and putting various tools in it. The only exposure I have to Parelli is RFDTV and the day I watched, they were trying to get a horse to respect your space by having him on 10 feet of a 30 ft lunge line and waving a stick at him. This didn't make much sense to me, but the real thing I noticed was that other 20 ft of lunge was under both the horse and the handler's feet. DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER. I won't watch that again, I think that session was quite negligent on a real safety issue.

The only other person I have been around that incorporated marketed NH was the owner of a horse farm where I worked exactly one day. Her horses would NOT stay out of my space. They were Appaloosas, which I have NOTHING against, but she knew I'd worked with TBs and she said that I'd feel on vacation after that. NOT with them walking over me. And it started raining, so I changed into wind pants to stay dry, which swished when I walked. Spooked some of them, but by jingo, they were calmer than the TBs I've been around that are oblivious to my wind pants in the rain. She was a fruitcake. I'm not saying all NH people are, but she was. She was not a good example of it to me. Parelli's show wasn't a good example, and I take exception because that was a very basic thing that the lowest level Pony Clubber or 4H member would know not to do. I know I can't remember learning when that was dangerous. I just know it IS.

[LMH]

OK T2000 I decided today was the day to do the PNH ear pinning challenge.

I bundled up, marched to the barn and gathered Milo-my L2 guinea pig.

I did several L2 online tasks.
I did tasks he knew-but did them slower with less energy and faster with more.
I did tasks he recently learned but asked for more precision.
I introduced new tasks he had never done.

I was the official PNH carrot stick carrying cult member.

I rode him at his level-again doing old and new tasks.

Not one ear pin. Not one tail swish. He was happy looking, pleasant and full of play.

(please read with the twinkle teasing tone I am intending )

Seriously I posted the ear pinning question/observation to 2 PNH BBs and this doesn't seem to be a common problem.

I have 2 thoughts-1) many people that are beginners are not too savvy with reading body language and nag the horse to irritation
2) the horses used in the tours are often "local problem horses" and already have issues.

I am not denying you haven't seen it-just doesn't seem to be an across the board PNH issue. Ah well....

[Sannois]

Trak, How does one find out about endurance rides in their state. You can PT me if you would like, I live in MI.