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  • Dancing Lawn, you have a heart of gold and are certainly an inspiration! I just read an article in The Horse Magazine about how the PMU mares are not going to slaughter or being moved this late in their pregnancy -- insinuating, as they have done before -- that they are "fine". They have tried to "sanitize" the entire PMU issue. I emailed them about you and what you are doing (gave your website) and told them about the condition of the mares. It was a fairly scathing email. I don't know if it will help, but perhaps some others could email as well and they will do a story on the flip side of the PMU mares and perhaps help in some way.
    PSG

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      I inform E.A. about every single donation that comes in, so that they can put it through their books. And I have a great accountant, too. So, not to worry.

      there have been a lot of magazine articles about the pmu issue, and I'm always impressed with how nice the horses look. I just finished writing a letter, complete with photos, to Alive magazine, to give them an idea of the other side of the story. The best thing we can do, is educate.

      less hard work, more fine dining.
      www.dancinglawnhorses.com updated Feb 14/04
      If guys can do it, how hard can it be?

      LESS HARD WORK, MORE FINE DINING!™
      complicate, obfuscate, prevaricate.

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      • Original Poster

        In case anybody's wondering, your donations have added up to: $429.45 cdn. this accounts for paypal fees, and the conversion from U.S. to Canadian. It may not seem like a lot, but it has really been an amazing response! Usually, people ask about the mares, they say, somebody should do something, and that's about it! But here, we have people getting involved, and really doing something. Most importantly, though, you're spreading the word about the conditions of the horses.

        Now, I could use a volunteer. I need someone with a digital camera, to come out, and take some pics, and then put them on a webshots site, or something similar, so that you can all see these horses. If you can see them, it might encourage you to maybe adopt one. Because that's what we really need, homes. Permanent ones, for the mares and the foals to come. There are some very nice large ponies that would make really cute hunter ponies. If there's someone out there who can help, e-mail or pt me, and we can pick a day when it isn't -500 degrees outside!

        less hard work, more fine dining.
        www.dancinglawnhorses.com updated Feb 14/04
        If guys can do it, how hard can it be?

        LESS HARD WORK, MORE FINE DINING!™
        complicate, obfuscate, prevaricate.

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        • Check your PT's Dancing Lawn

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          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dancing lawn:
            I inform E.A. about every single donation that comes in, so that they can put it through their books. And I have a great accountant, too. So, not to worry.
            <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            I still strongly urge you to at least run this by E.A.'s CPA. It goes against anything and everything I've experienced in setting up & running a non-profit.

            Think of it this way - if you have EA run it by their CPA, and I'm wrong, you are fully entitled to come back and deliver a hearty "I told you so" in my direction.

            And again, this is not to question you in any way, but give you what, in my experience, is very sound advice about protecting yourself and the non-profit for which you volunteer.

            Try looking at it like this - say a St. Jude volunteer approached you about donating to their cause, but asked to you make the checks out to them personally. Even if every single penny goes exactly where they said it was going, and toward the cause they are volunteering for, wouldn't that give you a pause before writing that check?

            I understand that you are in Canada, and I'm not sure at all how non-profits are handled in your country, but I'm urging you - have the US based non-profit for which you volunteer check with their CPA. They are putting themselves at great risk with the IRS in allowing this practice.

            Two Toofs
            (formerly - but still - NDANO)

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            • Dancing Lawn. I have been practising with my camcorder to take still pics. I have ordered the cord to connect to my computer and I fully intended to take digital pics next Friday. I had thought of doing that with webshots.. I hope I have the cord by Friday so maybe we can set it up directly on your computer.
              But if you get an earlier offer, go for it. I'll still take the pics.
              A.

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              • Original Poster

                By law in Canada, a registered charity can use up to 90% of their income for things like salaries, rent, advertizing, etc. So they only Have to use 10% of the income towards whatever their particular issue is. So, If I was a registered charity, here, I could pay mayself $90. out of every $100. and only use $10. towards the mares. In fact, we have a charity here that was registered in 2000. They raised over $15,000 at their last fund-raiser. In the three + years they have been in operation, they have rescued 1 horse. That's it, one. I know that I have approached them on many occassions about horses in need, and they have either not responded at all, or told me that they would have a board meeting about it, in three months, to let me know if they could help. So, I tend to work with the people that really do what they say they do. Everything we do is open to scrutiny.

                less hard work, more fine dining.
                www.dancinglawnhorses.com updated Feb 14/04
                If guys can do it, how hard can it be?

                LESS HARD WORK, MORE FINE DINING!™
                complicate, obfuscate, prevaricate.

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                • dancing lawn, I have no idea of the laws in Canada. I do know that you are volunteering for a US non-profit, and as such, I would assume you would need to adhere to their regulations.

                  It's not *how* you are spending the money that I'm even concerned with for the sake of this conversation.

                  What I am trying to explain is that all donations should be made to EA and then EA will pay for the feed, hay, vet, etc., from their books - with their checks, on their accounts, accounting for all the donations that have been made and all expendatures.

                  I'm *not* saying it looks like you are skimming money for yourself, but that you need to protect yourself and your organization by showing NO DOUBT that it is not the case. As well as showing that you are getting no private gain as a direct result of your association with the non-profit.

                  As an example, you are a volunteer at an event (or even Executive Director) that is taking in cash donations - and you have the right to be compensated for your gas & hotel stay from the nonprofit - you can NOT take directly from the cash bucket and pay yourself for your gas or for your hotel. All donations must go through the corporation - cash into the bank & onto the books, and then be distributed to you (or creditors) by the nonprofit - again through the books.

                  I have been in fostering situations before, also as a part of involvement with a non-profit. If someone wants to make a donation directly to me, I absolutely 100% REFUSE it and instruct them to make the donation directly to the nonprofit, for which they are issued a receipt. If you want to offer up a fist full of cash to help that horse out, wonderful - but don't hand it to me personally. Hand it to the corporate entity, who will in turn, pay for the horse's care. There is no way I'm going to stand there in a barn and let someone walk up to me and hand me $100 in cash and then just walk away. Or even WORSE yet, write a check made out to me personally. Oh my lordy no. Even if I take that cash and hand it directly to the hay man, vet, etc., it's a huge accounting blunder at the very least.

                  Please, I'm begging you (but promise I'll stop after this post) - have EA run this by their CPA.

                  Two Toofs
                  (formerly - but still - NDANO)

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                  • DL- I sent you a donation through PayPal. My family and I thank you, and wish you the best of luck!!

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                    • Yearly, we're mandatorily subjected at work to United Way's speel/campaign, although NO OTHER non-profit organization is allowed to hold a meeting at our place.

                      Sure, it's a great organization. It has an 'animal-related' group that it gives money to (Paws For A Cause) or did, but I look at it THIS way. If I donate (and I CAN designate my contribution to go totally to PFAC), there is still the UW office overhead and the PFAC overhead before it gets to the DOGS.

                      IF I send a check directly to PFAC, I eliminate ONE cut. But I find myself dropping a dollar or five in "local" rescue group jars, be it cat, dog, or horse. And if it's an individual who needs dog food, cat litter, bleach, or something else, it's no great skin off of my nose if I get a tax credit for it or not.

                      Of course, I use commonsense in my "giving." Dancing Lawn apprarently has a good enough reputation here that many people feel comfortable enough to either send her money or items for the PMU horses. That's good enough for me.

                      I used to rescue dogs and cats. I personally placed over 30 of each. The money for everything came out of MY pocket, and I never asked for anything from those who adopted my fosters. Although the PMU situation isn't one of my favorite causes, I applaud those who have made it theirs.

                      Just my take on things.

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                      • oh shoot, I had a big long reply typed up and I hit something, and it's gone! grrrrrrr.

                        Anyway, in a nutshell, I don't care whether or not I give to dl directly, or through a rescue group. Her horses need help now. I know that's not the point, and I am sure dl will take care of any potential Canadian-IRS-snafus on her own. I just wish I could give more.

                        dl, how are the girls today?

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                        Wear a frown, have wrinkles.

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                        • DL,

                          Have you or EA thought about reporting the PMU Farmer to Wyeth Ayerst? If this farmer was compensated under the plan developed by Wyeth,
                          Wyeth should be notified that this farmer took compensation and did NOT properly care for the mares.

                          I think it is vitally important to contact Wyeth and ask them what they intend to do to see that this does not happen again to any other mares!!!
                          Also, EA should write a press release, and blast it everywhere in Canada and the US!!

                          If this kind of neglect goes unnoticed, you can bet your bottom dollar, that mares will continue to suffer.
                          www.horse-protection.org

                          No Horses to Slaughter Clique

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                            RHDobes, I used to go through the same thing every year, when I worked for Bell Canada. Our bosses would schedule a meeting, and then tell us we were "encouraged" to make a weekly donation that would be deducted right from our paycheck. I went along with this the first couple of years, because I didn't want to raise a fuss. Being the only woman in the place, I already stuck out like a sore thumb, and sometimes the last thing you want to do, is call more attention to yourself. But, then, when I started to really look into it, and learn more, one year, at that meeting, I said "NO". You know, there was stunned silence from all 100 men in that room. They couldn't believe that I had the nerve to say, no, I wasn't giving anymore, that I believed in direct aid, and was already doing my own charitable acts, which included raising money to buy an artificial leg for someone that I had met on the job. (It was a Bell customer, I had gone to install the phone, and her prosthetic limb was really not working. I single-handedly raised enough cash to get her a new leg, that came with an articulating knee. It changed her life.) After explaining my stance, a lot of other people in that room went against tradition, stood up for themselves, and gave where they chose, instead of where the company "suggested" they gave. I am such a s*** disturber!

                            Wyeth is fully aware of the condition of the mares, Susan has had many television and radio debates with one of their directors.

                            I think some of the girls have started to gain weight already. I had 14 bales of hay delivered the day they arrived, and they've eaten half of it, they hardly ever come up for air.

                            I have a couple of people coming out with digital cameras this coming week, and soon, you'll be able to see them. There are some really nice riding-type horses out there.

                            less hard work, more fine dining.
                            www.dancinglawnhorses.com updated Feb 14/04
                            If guys can do it, how hard can it be?

                            LESS HARD WORK, MORE FINE DINING!™
                            complicate, obfuscate, prevaricate.

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                            • You are my hero.

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                              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RHdobes:

                                Of course, I use commonsense in my "giving." Dancing Lawn apprarently has a good enough reputation here that many people feel comfortable enough to either send her money or items for the PMU horses. That's good enough for me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that she isn't using the money properly or that the mares don't need the help. Or that people shouldn't donate for these mares - not at all. It's not about donors getting tax receipts either, or even just a plain ol' receipt for their cash/check.

                                What I am trying to convey here is that she is putting EA at great risk by having EA donations sent directly to and made out to her personally. If she were an individual and doing this on her own, that's a whole different story. I only stress the point because I'm certain that she would not want to unknowingly risk the IRS status of the group that she obviously feels strongly enough about to volunteer as a foster home for them.

                                What is going on here no different than if those Red Cross guys came in, had their meeting & gave their pitch, and then asked for you to have your donations made out directly to them personally - i.e., make checks payable to "Jim Smith", the volunteer, rather than to Red Cross. That volunteer would end up in very hot water, and if the organization endorsed the practice, then they have a member who is, even if just on paper, benefiting individually by their association with the non-profit. And the non-profit is at great risk of having their tax-exempt status revoked. I'm sure that dancing lawn does not want to unwittingly be the cause of having EA end up having to pay taxes and no longer being able to issue tax receipts.

                                Two Toofs
                                (formerly - but still - NDANO)

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                                • Two Toofs- God your like a broken record and everyone gets it already, but you're refusing to hear their points as well!

                                  DL is not an EA employee like all the examples you're giving with Red Cross and Nurses and such, she is not on their payroll, and she's not fooling people by telling them to donate to EA. She's asking them up front to donate to her (actually she's not ASKING at all, they're volunteering their donations!). She is working with them as say an independent contractor might to rescue these mares. That's different than working FOR them! And she's asking for personal donations to help with HER fostering expenses, again NOT EA donations! Get off you bureaucratic ramble already! We hear you loud and clear!

                                  * "the suspense is terrible. I hope it lasts" Willy Wonka

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                                  • Unless you want to take a tax deduction for your gift, then it doesn't matter if she's non-profit or not. If you are taking a tax deduction for the gift you gave DL, then check with your accountant.

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                                      To make Two Toofs really happy, I have 47 horses on the farm, at the moment, with, possibly, another 2 on the way. 25 of those horses are E.A's, the others are my own personal rescues, plus three boarded horses. A small number are sale horses. There are still 2 rescued ponies looking for new homes. I might have a t.b. mare coming in, with a severe sinus problem that makes her unridable. I'll know by next week, if a small grey standardbred will be coming here, instead to the meat market. Thank Goodness, 4 of the mares are leaving on Monday, for their new homes.

                                      The weanling, and one of the new belgians let me scratch their necks, today. Even the little one is branded along her spine, #173.

                                      less hard work, more fine dining.
                                      www.dancinglawnhorses.com updated Feb 14/04
                                      If guys can do it, how hard can it be?

                                      LESS HARD WORK, MORE FINE DINING!™
                                      complicate, obfuscate, prevaricate.

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                                      • Hey Caroline,

                                        It's your web designer here I assume I'll be getting a package of photos in the mail soon I'll post the link to that page of the site as soon as it's up.

                                        If you still need someone with a digital camera, I could come out on the weekend. Let me know...
                                        Laur

                                        If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space!
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                                        • Original Poster

                                          Hi, Laur, I was going to e-mail you, and I forgot! I sent out a package yesterday, but just pics of me, with a whole bunch of changes. I haven't sent the mares yet, I have 1-2 volunteers who are coming out, we thought we would maybe do a webshots page, instead. I'll let you know.

                                          I have been told that I need more photos of myself, so that's what I've sent. And after that, there are no more pictures of me on a horse. At all, that's the lot!

                                          The mares are getting braver, some of them are letting me give them a pat on a shoulder, and they still have their heads buried in the hay. At this rate, I'll be needing more hay in another day! 14 big round bales, since Wed. afternoon!

                                          less hard work, more fine dining.
                                          www.dancinglawnhorses.com updated Feb 14/04
                                          If guys can do it, how hard can it be?

                                          LESS HARD WORK, MORE FINE DINING!™
                                          complicate, obfuscate, prevaricate.

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